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  • If you have thoughts on Beyond the Known Universe, write about it here.

    My thoughts:

    Fugitoid sends the Turtles, April and Casey back 6 months in time to collect the Heart of Darkness pieces in order to stop the Triceratons from going to Earth. It should save Splinter, Karai, Kurtzman, The Mighty Mutanimals, Kirby and everyone in New York.

    The first piece is in the hands of Lord Dregg.

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    • i read that in  mutants in space 

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    • Yea all that stuff was revealed in "mutants in space" no offense but I dont really see how they're your thoughts when it's info,from a book.

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    • You should say everyone on Earth.

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    • Lemme fangirl for a second:

      Love the new opening!

      Reference to the Utroms!!

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      April in her 80's jumpsuit!!!!

      Casey makes a Vanilla Ice reference!!!!!

      LORD DREGG LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!

      And did anyone else notice that the crystal that changes color with emotion in April's hands changed color when Donnie was next to her? Apritello doesn't need to be a big thing in this show but that was good enough for me!

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    • Slept through it. Maybe I'll catch it later, but not through Nick's streaming site—that interface is too irritating to use.

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    • So... ninja turtles got a whole lot more Rick and Morty/ Futurama... It was a lot to take in, I mean, they suddenly dropped a lot on us but at the same time, there is a feeling that it all fits and belongs... Hopefully this season will turn out awesome and better than the last - which, season 4 answers already by starting us off with, well, none of it having happened... yet...

      Anyways, what are your guys' thoughts on the very new direction the show is taking? Is it too much sci fi? are those sci fi elements too outlandish?? Did you like the episode and the direction this season seems to be heading in?

      I did... Something about it all felt, like i said, in place... so I'm looking forward to seeing a season vs the Triceratons as the main antagonists (I hope that's where they continue anyways)

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    • Of course they're going to save the Earth, Sensei Splinter, The Mighty Mutanimals and Karai. Hopefully, there should be 3 pieces of the Black Hole Generator in 3 planets.

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    • At first I was worried about the time travel thing I heard about. If you use it to change the future, especially under the wrong circumstances, it really feels like cheating. If it's used the way I've seen it since watching "Gargoyles" (as well as in "Tale of the Yokai"), then it doesn't feel like such and it really looks like they're going for the latter rather than the former; and I really expect it to after the conclusion of the episode. Just like how the Turtles shaped the future for Yoshii, Saki, Shen, and Miwa, they could also shape the Triceratons coming to Earth in the first place (maybe even the Kraang). Remember, the Triceratons shouldn't know who they are at this point, though I'm sure the Turtles won't realize that at first. I just wish we knew how Honeycutt acquired the technology for it.

      Speaking of him, I'm expecting a lot from the Fugitoid throughout the 13 episodes he's going to be in. From what I've read of him and watching him in the 2003 series, he's a really sympathetic, caring, and likeable character and his initial death at the "Worlds Collide" arc hit hard for me. I expect him to be a great friend, ally, and possibly even father figure while they're stuck out there. I'm expecting him to die at the end of his arc and I'm hoping for an even better space funeral for him than in the 2003 series.

      In the meantime (if it's really gonna be the case) I can't wait to see what Mona Lisa's going to bring to the table next week as well as hearing Keith David on a Turtles series at last!

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Of course they're going to save the Earth, Sensei Splinter, The Mighty Mutanimals and Karai. Hopefully, there should be 3 pieces of the Black Hole Generator in 3 planets.

      Yeah, I'm still kinda hoping Karai was for some reason picked up by the Utroms or even the Triceratons, but I won't say I guarantee it... :/

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    • Spoiler Alert Earths been saved everyones been saved apparently, everyone is saying the time travel thing just happened so that's that.

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    • Trigger009 wrote:
      Spoiler Alert Earths been saved everyones been saved apparently, everyone is saying the time travel thing just happened so that's that.

      Yeah, now they just have to keep it that way.

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    • Yep, cause As honeycutt stated, it only worked once, now they have to make sure they don't screw up and cause the bad future to happen.

      Also i surprisingly like Dredd now.

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    • Ghidorafour wrote:
      Yep, cause As honeycutt stated, it only worked once, now they have to make sure they don't screw up and cause the bad future to happen.

      Also i surprisingly like Dredd now.

      You mean the Earth will disappear?

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    • Ghidorafour wrote:
      Yep, cause As honeycutt stated, it only worked once, now they have to make sure they don't screw up and cause the bad future to happen.

      Also i surprisingly like Dredd now.

      You mean Dregg?

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    • I know I am going to launch a fan war when I say this, but the season plot feels similar to Dragon Ball GT. Here's why heroes fly into space, they have a deadline for the earth's destruction, they have to travel throughout the galaxy to gather an important artifact, first episode in space features the heoes landing on desert planet with a crimelord and the heroes anger him. I emphasize this I am not a fan of GT as I prefer the canon DB, DBZ, and DBS. I am just stating similarities this seasons plotline and tone.

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    • This version of Dregg is really ugly. He tried to eat April and Casey.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Ghidorafour wrote:
      Yep, cause As honeycutt stated, it only worked once, now they have to make sure they don't screw up and cause the bad future to happen.

      Also i surprisingly like Dredd now.

      You mean the Earth will disappear?

      Forever.

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    • Vgiannell5 wrote: This version of Dregg is really ugly. He tried to eat April and Casey.

      Hey, he can eat Casey if he wants. :) He's one of the most overrated characters on this series.

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    • Wait a second! If Lord Dregg doesn't have one of the Heart of Darkness pieces, who does?

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    • Well, I can say that the Earth will be saved, obviously. The adventures the turtles go through, however, have yet to show us how they save Earth, and what we are shown should matter more than us knowing the Earth will be saved, and what has yet to be shown only makes things exciting, don'tcha think?

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    • So are there no turtles on Earth right now? So for the net six months does that mean that there is no one to defend New York except Splinter and the Mutanimals? Things might be a bit different when they get back after all of this if that is the case.

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    • Nah, there should be past versions of themselves, Swampbender55. We just probably won't get to see them. Just the future turles that are in space now.

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    • Time travel is kind of tricky depending on the show. So I guess that means that as long as they succeed that their original Earth will be alright. I wonder if everyone will remember what happened. If they do I can't wait to see what Shredder's gang will do after what he did.

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    • I am going to LOVE this new season, its like Fast Forward only one:It actually makes sense from a story perspective and two:Might actually sell toys where Fast Forward...failed miserably. They had dark turtles, AND hawk robots, NEITHER OF WHICH were made into toys!

      Goooooooooooooota love April's outfit, as well as the fact that her blaster looks like a freaking CAMERA! HILARIOUS!

      Lord Dregg looks pretty cool too, also I like to think the Hornetron is a tongue and cheek reference to that one bee toy that Foot clan members could ride.

      And finally, THE MONSTER DESIGNS! GLORIOUS! Sure they...probably blew their entire character design budget on this ep- BUT STILL GLORIOUS!

      And finally, I love the "Death Might have a consequence" plot going on, its like the final arc of Digimon Adventure up in this! Personally I think their going to fail to get all the pieces, BUT-find some crazy other plan, and the moment the turtles are beamed up by Fugitoid  IN the past, they save the Earth in the present leaving it semi-paradox free. Splinter gon' stay dead probably though, I'm an optimist, not stupid.

      And yes @KaijuHero, I also see the similarity! Only UNLIKE GT, this might be enjoyable!

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    • Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
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      Lol Adorable😂

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      Awww😊

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    • Here are my thoughts on the time travel phenomenon Honeycut (Fugitoid) created -- Everything that was sucked up by the black hole generator is back, however, the turtles are not, they were not on the earth when it "died" along with everyone else... so, after all this crazy sci fi stuff perhaps they will return to a darker new york? One where Shredder has ceized control from Splinter and the Mutanimals... I honestly, would love a storyline where they return only to find their friends and allies are being mind controlled by the Shredder and New York's populace is slowly being turned into a mutant army, it could be cool to have a human resistance group trying to stop him, and they knew of the turtles having stopped Shredder before (you know, like urban legend kind of stuff)... then you could have a really cool human and turtles vs Shredder and mutant army storyline... that probably won't happen though.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
      IMG 1167-1-

      Lol Adorable😂

      IMG 1168-1-

      Awww😊

      Felt reminiscent of the comics when I think Raph was hitting on an alien.

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    • I am glad that the Earth back to normal, just that they have six months to find a part of Heart of Darkness and save the planet before Triceratons.

      I was so depressed after watching the final episodes of season 3. I think you understand me.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:

      UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
      IMG 1167-1-

      Lol Adorable😂

      IMG 1168-1-

      Awww😊

      Felt reminiscent of the comics when I think Raph was hitting on an alien.

      I found it interesting that it was leo who was hitting on a girl and moving away from Karai that quickly, though the alien girl was supposed to reminiscent of Karai and that her boyfriend/fiancé represented Shredder who acts as barrier keeping them apart.

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    • KaijuHero wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote:

      UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
      IMG 1167-1-

      Lol Adorable😂

      IMG 1168-1-

      Awww😊

      Felt reminiscent of the comics when I think Raph was hitting on an alien.
      I found it interesting that it was leo who was hitting on a girl and moving away from Karai that quickly, though the alien girl was supposed to reminiscent of Karai and that her boyfriend/fiancé represented Shredder who acts as barrier keeping them apart.

      Agreed, dude can not catch a break. Also to all those Karainardo fans, keep in mind his bets with Karai at this point are...slim. Very very slim.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      KaijuHero wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote:


      UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
      IMG 1167-1-

      Lol Adorable😂

      IMG 1168-1-

      Awww😊

      Felt reminiscent of the comics when I think Raph was hitting on an alien.
      I found it interesting that it was leo who was hitting on a girl and moving away from Karai that quickly, though the alien girl was supposed to reminiscent of Karai and that her boyfriend/fiancé represented Shredder who acts as barrier keeping them apart.
      Agreed, dude can not catch a break. Also to all those Karainardo fans, keep in mind his bets with Karai at this point are...slim. Very very slim.

      Well, that doesn't mean that she won't be on the show anymore, right?

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    • The episode was decent, however I have one question, why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT? He serves no purpose at all, he isn't that funny, his bromance with Raph is non existant, he can't fight (the writers made Hun a wimp just so Casey could beat him) and he's a perv to April. 

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    • Tarrlok's the REAL Hero wrote: The episode was decent, however I have one question, why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT? He serves no purpose at all, he isn't that funny, his bromance with Raph is non existant, he can't fight (the writers made Hun a wimp just so Casey could beat him) and he's a perv to April. 

      You are so right. At best he's Mikey's entourage. One has to admit that, even though most of Season 2's episodes were good and some were truly great, it's still the season when the really terrible writing started to creep in. And one of the first bad ideas they had, was this version of Casey Jones. It's almost like he exists with the sole function of annoying the audience.

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    • Who has the Heart of Darkness pieces? I know it's not Lord Dregg.

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    • Okay, finally saw the episode. You know, they really spent a lot of effort on action scenes, but they spent precious little effort on any interesting writing or characterization.

      • Nowhere did it explain in-story why Honeycutt is called "Fugitoid." Other versions of TMNT had explanations for this. But this time, the episode jumps in with Leo calling him "Fugitoid" for apparently no reason.
      • Donnie and Casey both having unrequited crushes on April is a tired gag that has long since worn out any welcome it might have had.
      • Turtle space suits that leave the skin exposed to the vacuum, radiation and extreme temperature variations of space. I know the writers wanted to leave more of their body immediately visible to the audience, but this was just ridiculous.
      • Raph and Casey being Too Dumb To Live (TM) at the weapons kiosk. I can almost understand Casey doing this, but Raph is usually more concerned about threats and dangers to act so uncharacteristically stupid.
      • Dregg being the most uninteresting new villain to date. I was tired of him within a minute of his first appearance.
      • Not letting Dregg just eat Casey and get it over with. XD
      • The turtles still generally being incompetent. It's not even funny anymore, it's just annoying and pathetic. I know they're immature teenagers, and that worked well in season 1. But they're also supposedly highly-trained and highly-disciplined ninja and should have better battlefield instincts. Even in North Hampton when they were on their own without Splinter, they still acted with more responsibility. But now, they act like complete and utter dumbasses.
      • And yes, this show has turned into Dragon Ball GT. It's not that I actually disliked all of GT (I enjoyed the Zoonama episode), but this comparison is still not one TMNT should be eager to invite.
      • The action sequences had some good composition, but it was harder for them to feel engaging when it's harder to care about characters who are increasingly derailed one-dimensional dumbasses. Preferring Casey get eaten instead of being saved is a part of this.

      But let's see...some good things to say about the episode...

      • This Honeycutt is rather more interesting than the 2K3 version, and his vocalization actually isn't annoying.
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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay, finally saw the episode. You know, they really spent a lot of effort on action scenes, but they spent precious little effort on any interesting writing or characterization.
      • Nowhere did it explain in-story why Honeycutt is called "Fugitoid." Other versions of TMNT had explanations for this. But this time, the episode jumps in with Leo calling him "Fugitoid" for apparently no reason.
      • Donnie and Casey both having unrequited crushes on April is a tired gag that has long since run its course.
      • Turtle space suits that leave the skin exposed to the vacuum, radiation and extreme temperature variations of space. I know the writers wanted to leave more of their body immediately visible to the audience, but this was just ridiculous.
      • Raph and Casey being Too Dumb To Live (TM) at the weapons kiosk. I can almost understand Casey doing this, but Raph is usually more concerned about threats and dangers to act so uncharacteristically stupid.
      • Dregg being the most uninteresting new villain to date. I was tired of him within a minute of his first appearance.
      • Not letting Dregg just eat Casey and get it over with. XD
      • The turtles still generally being incompetent. It's not even funny anymore, it's just annoying and pathetic. I know they're immature teenagers, and that worked well in season 1. But they're also supposedly highly-trained and highly-disciplined ninja and should have better battlefield instincts. Even in North Hampton when they were on their own without Splinter, they still acted with more responsibility. But now, they act like complete and utter dumbasses.
      • And yes, this show has turned into Dragon Ball GT. It's not that I actually disliked all of GT (I enjoyed the Zoonama episode), but this comparison is still not one TMNT should be eager to invite.
      • The action sequences had some good composition, but it was harder for them to feel engaging when it's harder to care about characters who are increasingly derailed one-dimensional dumbasses. Preferring Casey get eaten instead of being saved is a part of this.

      But let's see...some good things to say about the episode...

      • This Honeycutt is rather more interesting than the 2K3 version, and his vocalization actually isn't annoying.

      I'll tell you what. If Lord Dregg doesn't have the Heart of Darkness pieces, who did?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay, finally saw the episode. You know, they really spent a lot of effort on action scenes, but they spent precious little effort on any interesting writing or characterization.
      • Nowhere did it explain in-story why Honeycutt is called "Fugitoid." Other versions of TMNT had explanations for this. But this time, the episode jumps in with Leo calling him "Fugitoid" for apparently no reason.
      • Donnie and Casey both having unrequited crushes on April is a tired gag that has long since run its course.
      • Turtle space suits that leave the skin exposed to the vacuum, radiation and extreme temperature variations of space. I know the writers wanted to leave more of their body immediately visible to the audience, but this was just ridiculous.
      • Raph and Casey being Too Dumb To Live (TM) at the weapons kiosk. I can almost understand Casey doing this, but Raph is usually more concerned about threats and dangers to act so uncharacteristically stupid.
      • Dregg being the most uninteresting new villain to date. I was tired of him within a minute of his first appearance.
      • Not letting Dregg just eat Casey and get it over with. XD
      • The turtles still generally being incompetent. It's not even funny anymore, it's just annoying and pathetic. I know they're immature teenagers, and that worked well in season 1. But they're also supposedly highly-trained and highly-disciplined ninja and should have better battlefield instincts. Even in North Hampton when they were on their own without Splinter, they still acted with more responsibility. But now, they act like complete and utter dumbasses.
      • And yes, this show has turned into Dragon Ball GT. It's not that I actually disliked all of GT (I enjoyed the Zoonama episode), but this comparison is still not one TMNT should be eager to invite.
      • The action sequences had some good composition, but it was harder for them to feel engaging when it's harder to care about characters who are increasingly derailed one-dimensional dumbasses. Preferring Casey get eaten instead of being saved is a part of this.

      But let's see...some good things to say about the episode...

      • This Honeycutt is rather more interesting than the 2K3 version, and his vocalization actually isn't annoying.

      SNARKY BUT STILL RESPECTING YOUR OPINION RETORT TIME!

      • Yes, because judging by how fast he talked and wanted to get to the task at hand, he is TOTALLY the kind of guy who'd waste time telling his WHOLE backstory. Just wait an ep or so.
      • Fleh, I laughed.
      • Two words: Force fields. Fill in the gaps man.
      • Their planet was killed, and their going through what I call "Culture electrocution", like culture shock but WAY amplified. It goes without saying their not on their game.
      • He's a translucent bug man who is tough AND quick enough to take on all the turtles...albeit that's every new enemy they face-BUT STILL!
      • I do not get the Casey hate, I think he's great! GOONGOLA!
      • Again culture electrocution-ALSO- the fact that afte that DOWNER of an ending the writers logically want to dial it back a tad.
      • Yeah, but I think they can do the plot better as in THIS version April will probably be allowed to become as skilled as the male protagonists.
      • ELECTROCUTION BABY, EEEEEEEEEEEEEEELECTROCUTION!

      AND FINALLY-

      -I'll take your word for it for now, don't remember him being any more annoying than the other 4kids voice actors but whatevs. 

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay, finally saw the episode. You know, they really spent a lot of effort on action scenes, but they spent precious little effort on any interesting writing or characterization.
      • Nowhere did it explain in-story why Honeycutt is called "Fugitoid." Other versions of TMNT had explanations for this. But this time, the episode jumps in with Leo calling him "Fugitoid" for apparently no reason.
      • Donnie and Casey both having unrequited crushes on April is a tired gag that has long since worn out any welcome it might have had.
      • Turtle space suits that leave the skin exposed to the vacuum, radiation and extreme temperature variations of space. I know the writers wanted to leave more of their body immediately visible to the audience, but this was just ridiculous.
      • Raph and Casey being Too Dumb To Live (TM) at the weapons kiosk. I can almost understand Casey doing this, but Raph is usually more concerned about threats and dangers to act so uncharacteristically stupid.
      • Dregg being the most uninteresting new villain to date. I was tired of him within a minute of his first appearance.
      • Not letting Dregg just eat Casey and get it over with. XD
      • The turtles still generally being incompetent. It's not even funny anymore, it's just annoying and pathetic. I know they're immature teenagers, and that worked well in season 1. But they're also supposedly highly-trained and highly-disciplined ninja and should have better battlefield instincts. Even in North Hampton when they were on their own without Splinter, they still acted with more responsibility. But now, they act like complete and utter dumbasses.
      • And yes, this show has turned into Dragon Ball GT. It's not that I actually disliked all of GT (I enjoyed the Zoonama episode), but this comparison is still not one TMNT should be eager to invite.
      • The action sequences had some good composition, but it was harder for them to feel engaging when it's harder to care about characters who are increasingly derailed one-dimensional dumbasses. Preferring Casey get eaten instead of being saved is a part of this.

      But let's see...some good things to say about the episode...

      • This Honeycutt is rather more interesting than the 2K3 version, and his vocalization actually isn't annoying.

      Some of this is just nitpicking in my books... Its still a ninja turtles show man, suspend your disbeleif a little bit... The writing has had some very bad moments, I can totally agree... this episode wasn't the greatest but it definately didn't feel like one of the worst ones, if anything this was presenting, what I thought, was a pretty cool new change that no turtle show has really tried (to my knowledge). As for the suits in space thing, again, you need to suspend your disbeleif a bit, I "rationalize" it as being advanced sci fi tech that keeps the body protected... Overall, when it comes down to it, if you're as unhappy with turtles as you come off, just let it go and stop watching... AS I said, it just feels like you're REALLY nitpicking for things... in fact Yoshi's explenation for the turtles acting so uncaracteristically on the alien world, culture shock is a perfect way of looking at it... anyways... IF you're really so fed up with the show stop watching. I was ready to do that in Season 3, I stopped watching it for a month or so, then went back and finished the season... now I'm interested in seeing where this could go.

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    • Well, first of all, the possibility of Dregg having a piece was not raised in the episode at all.

      But to answer your question: It no longer feels important or urgent to me as a viewer. My suspension of disbelief has since been lost. I've no longer been watching an engaging show—instead I see an increasingly predictable plot, and everything in it disassembled to its plot devices. The show feels lifeless now, and my analysis feels more like an autopsy.

      I guess I'm only still here because I once really loved this show, and I also feel somewhat responsible for making more GIFs (like for the new Opening Sequence). But even that is something I am increasingly finding it hard to care about. I make GIFs about scenes I at least kinda care about, with characters I care about, and so forth. My fandom for this show has been dying a slow and rather unsightly death.

      Lately, my interest has been shifting to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures (hence all my recent edits in those articles), which is based on the 2K12 show's continuity but been split away and will not share any new continuity with the show. I still genuinely wonder what will happen next in those stories, and I still care about its characters, because so far its writing has actually been a lot better than the show's. Making sure Amazing Adventures has the freedom to have original content has been a very smart move for IDW, because at this rate there either won't be a season 5 of the show (the execs will change their mind and cancel it before then), or there really shouldn't be a season 5. After the epic mismanagement of season 3, there really shouldn't have even been a season 4. The show had some promise, but its production has become poor.

      So, rather than caring about the Heart of Darkness, I care decidedly more about Amazing Adventure's recent stories with Slash or Zodiac. I wish more of us were reading those, because I feel pretty alone doing all the edits by myself. It's better than the show now, and shouldn't we be more interested in a story being good than whether it limps on like some zombie?

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Lemme fangirl for a second:

      Love the new opening!

      Reference to the Utroms!!

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      April in her 80's jumpsuit!!!!

      Casey makes a Vanilla Ice reference!!!!!

      LORD DREGG LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!

      And did anyone else notice that the crystal that changes color with emotion in April's hands changed color when Donnie was next to her? Apritello doesn't need to be a big thing in this show but that was good enough for me!

      Wait a minute! The WRITERS (only capitalized since we can't underline) said that there isn't a way to save Splinter?! But if THEY say there's no way to save him, isn't that...you know...the truth? I sure hope its not because like I've said before, no splinter= no me!

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Tarrlok's the REAL Hero wrote: The episode was decent, however I have one question, why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT? He serves no purpose at all, he isn't that funny, his bromance with Raph is non existant, he can't fight (the writers made Hun a wimp just so Casey could beat him) and he's a perv to April. 

      You are so right. At best he's Mikey's entourage. One has to admit that, even though most of Season 2's episodes were good and some were truly great, it's still the season when the really terrible writing started to creep in. And one of the first bad ideas they had, was this version of Casey Jones. It's almost like he exists with the sole function of annoying the audience.

      Yep, we lost some Season 1 writers during Season 2 and now I don't think we have any of Season 2's writers left. I was hoping they would do something with Casey as the show went on, but that went down hill fast. He almost ruined the finally (screaming 'this is awesome' after the whole earth was destroyed is not cool) for me, but thinkfully I'm getting better at ignoring him.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Tarrlok's the REAL Hero wrote: The episode was decent, however I have one question, why is Casey Jones in this version of TMNT? He serves no purpose at all, he isn't that funny, his bromance with Raph is non existant, he can't fight (the writers made Hun a wimp just so Casey could beat him) and he's a perv to April. 

      You are so right. At best he's Mikey's entourage. One has to admit that, even though most of Season 2's episodes were good and some were truly great, it's still the season when the really terrible writing started to creep in. And one of the first bad ideas they had, was this version of Casey Jones. It's almost like he exists with the sole function of annoying the audience.

      Yes, Yes, YES! You both are so right. Why did no one ask this question two seasons ago. Ok I'll admit, after seeing his debut and some subsequent episodes, I had high hopes for Casey. He held his own against Raph, he singlehandedly defeated several Foot Bots, and he actually injured Shredder. But I've come to realize that Casey was just hyped up in his first few appearances and became an irrelevant character for this series. Like you said, he's not funny, he can't fight (well, at least not anymore), and he has like no meaningful interaction with another character outside of is little competition with Donatello for April's attention. He was completely useless in the Triceratons fight. And on top of all of that, he literally takes nothing seriously, NOTHING! Immediately after he saw the earth get sucked into a black hole right in front of his face, all he cared to say is "This...is...AWESOME!!! That's it! I'm done! I've lost hope for Casey. All he has now is big talk that he can't back up. Why the writers included him in this season, I have no idea. A possible attempt at redemption is the only logical explanation I can think of.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Lemme fangirl for a second:

      Love the new opening!

      Reference to the Utroms!!

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      April in her 80's jumpsuit!!!!

      Casey makes a Vanilla Ice reference!!!!!

      LORD DREGG LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!

      And did anyone else notice that the crystal that changes color with emotion in April's hands changed color when Donnie was next to her? Apritello doesn't need to be a big thing in this show but that was good enough for me!

      Wait a minute! The WRITERS (only capitalized since we can't underline) said that there isn't a way to save Splinter?! But if THEY say there's no way to save him, isn't that...you know...the truth? I sure hope its not because like I've said before, no splinter= no me!

      I dont know exactly who said it I just heard that someone said that Master Splinter was gone forever but everyone else is saying that they're just pulling our legs or it's just their words being interpreted the wrong way but as long as the Fugitoid says there is a way I'm gonna believe it until someone on the show says otherwise.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Did anyone else find it hilarious when Leo was trying to flirt with that alien girl?
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      Lol Adorable😂

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      Awww😊

      I loved that moment! XD

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    • Since the earth is back, what's Splinter and the Mighty Mutanimals gonna do?

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    • If it's six months ago, it's probably around Battle for New York.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, first of all, the possibility of Dregg having a piece was not raised in the episode at all.

      But to answer your question: It no longer feels important or urgent to me as a viewer. My suspension of disbelief has since been lost. I've no longer been watching an engaging show—instead I see an increasingly predictable plot, and everything in it disassembled to its plot devices. The show feels lifeless now, and my analysis feels more like an autopsy.

      I guess I'm only still here because I once really loved this show, and I also feel somewhat responsible for making more GIFs (like for the new Opening Sequence). But even that is something I am increasingly finding it hard to care about. I make GIFs about scenes I at least kinda care about, with characters I care about, and so forth. My fandom for this show has been dying a slow and rather unsightly death.

      Lately, my interest has been shifting to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures (hence all my recent edits in those articles), which is based on the 2K12 show's continuity but been split away and will not share any new continuity with the show. I still genuinely wonder what will happen next in those stories, and I still care about its characters, because so far its writing has actually been a lot better than the show's. Making sure Amazing Adventures has the freedom to have original content has been a very smart move for IDW, because at this rate there either won't be a season 5 of the show (the execs will change their mind and cancel it before then), or there really shouldn't be a season 5. After the epic mismanagement of season 3, there really shouldn't have even been a season 4. The show had some promise, but its production has become poor.

      So, rather than caring about the Heart of Darkness, I care decidedly more about Amazing Adventure's recent stories with Slash or Zodiac. I wish more of us were reading those, because I feel pretty alone doing all the edits by myself. It's better than the show now, and shouldn't we be more interested in a story being good than whether it limps on like some zombie?

      ....this is quite possibly the saddest thing I've ever read. Stop watching a show you don't like, and do something productive with your time. Read a book, do some charity work, hell maybe even take a break from the wiki for a while. You're not happy, that's what bothers me more than opinions. I can tell from the word count.

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    • Just watched it, and I've gotta say that longer run times would do this show some good. I saw some cool stuff happening in the episode, but there wasn't enough time to develop it and so it felt a bit rushed. I would have liked a scene with the turtles just sort of absorbing everything in. I suppose they've known about aliens (The Kraang) but I still feel like this would be a bit more jarring than it was portrayed as in the show. I guess I'm looking for a little more....emotion for the characters.

      But OH WELL it's a childrens show and I'm nitpicking. XD I did enjoy the episode though, it certainly has set things up for the next season. I hope we get to see Dregg get some more personality throughout the Space Arc, right now he's just sort of "I'M EVIL AND POWERFUL DON'T PISS ME OFF", which is cool and all but I want to know his motives. I'm curious. 

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    • Aquamarine1212 wrote:
      Just watched it, and I've gotta say that longer run times would do this show some good. I saw some cool stuff happening in the episode, but there wasn't enough time to develop it and so it felt a bit rushed. I would have liked a scene with the turtles just sort of absorbing everything in. I suppose they've known about aliens (The Kraang) but I still feel like this would be a bit more jarring than it was portrayed as in the show. I guess I'm looking for a little more....emotion for the characters.

      But OH WELL it's a childrens show and I'm nitpicking. XD I did enjoy the episode though, it certainly has set things up for the next season. I hope we get to see Dregg get some more personality throughout the Space Arc, right now he's just sort of "I'M EVIL AND POWERFUL DON'T PISS ME OFF", which is cool and all but I want to know his motives. I'm curious. 

      I see why you feel this episode was a bit rushed, and I am more than inclined to agree. I wonder now if 13 episodes are going to be enough to at least make it good? Otherwise, the episode was good, and as for Dregg, he has just shown up. Nevertheles, I hope they develop his character and don't make it so that he is just another evil guy out there.

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    • Yoshimickster: I don't disagree. It's just not easy to sever baggage like that. And I still like Amazing Adventures, which forked from the same original continuity—that's sort of always going to make 2K12 a "neighbor" to me, especially since I'm going to continue to have that fondness for 2K12's earlier seasons.

      Anyway, we need more people reading Amazing Adventures, and we need more people talking about and editing articles about Amazing Adventures. It's actually good! Unfortunately, I know it's a little harder to be a regular reader of comics than it is to watch a regular basic cable TV show. With comics, you have to buy issues monthly, and you have to go to special stores because it's not like you can find them at a supermarket magazine rack. But they are worth the read. Amazing Adventures is what 2K12 could be if it dared not to suck, and it's a very, very welcome change. :) I can see why there was an interest in forking off Amazing Adventures in the first place.

      Anyway, I have no reason to take a break from this wiki. The 2K12 TV show isn't the only TMNT work in existence, and not even the only TMNT work being regularly written and updated. IDW Publishing prints two TMNT comics series—their main mature reboot, and Amazing Adventures. I am still reading both.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Yoshimickster: I don't disagree. It's just not easy to sever baggage like that. And I still like Amazing Adventures, which forked from the same original continuity—that's sort of always going to make 2K12 a "neighbor" to me, especially since I'm going to continue to have that fondness for 2K12's earlier seasons.

      Well its good you still like the comics, just sever yourself from it in your own time. And when you do, wait like-A year before watching it again, and see if you like or still hate it. Even so, in your own time. Safe space, and what-not.

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    • Yeah, I understand. However, if I'm right, there probably won't be a 5th season.

      Remember how Splinter's lack of story was largely blamed for the decision to kill him off permanently? That was not Splinter's fault—that was the show choosing not to write him into the show more.

      Likewise, if season 4 gets even worse and even performs badly, the executives may change their minds, un-approve season 5, and kill the show.

      It's a paradox that entertainment executives tend to blame the show for bad performance resulting from the bad decisions they themselves made for it. XD

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Yeah, I understand. However, if I'm right, there probably won't be a 5th season.

      Remember how Splinter's lack of story was largely blamed for the decision to kill him off permanently? That was not Splinter's fault—that was the show choosing not to write him into the show more.

      Likewise, if season 4 gets even worse and even performs badly, the executives may change their minds, un-approve season 5, and kill the show.

      It's a paradox that entertainment executives tend to blame the show for bad performance resulting from the bad decisions they themselves made for it. XD

      Don't feel bad about the executives. Are you sure that they're gonna make another decision about Splinter's life?

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    • No, they could change their minds about Splinter as they please. But they may not realize a mistake until a lot more damage to the show is already done.

      And I don't feel bad about the executives. I just don't necessarily trust executives. XD They're a peculiar creature.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Likewise, if season 4 gets even worse and even performs badly, the executives may change their minds, un-approve season 5, and kill the show.

      I really doubt it getting cancelled, it has a pretty big audience, and its attached to one of the biggest American media franchises- EVER! Also no-one's gone back on ordering a season mid-production since the nineties, at best it ends up losing them some money, at worst they get sued by the show workers. They can pull shows mid-season, they can cancel it after its done production, but mid-production is madness.

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    • When season 4 of Samurai Jack was still airing, it was green-lit for 50 more episodes (about four seasons) to start with season 5. But there never was a season 5. The creator was willing, but the show was put in indefinite hiatus after season 4 finished, and never officially cancelled. It's been over 10 years now, and it's generally understood to have been silently cancelled. It can happen.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      No, they could change their minds about Splinter as they please. But they may not realize a mistake until a lot more damage to the show is already done.

      And I don't feel bad about the executives. I just don't necessarily trust executives. XD They're a peculiar creature.

      Oh. So Splinter will still be alive after all if the executives changed their minds.

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    • Yeah, if they changed their minds early enough.

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    • wahhhhh! :'((((

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1: Try Amazing Adventures. Splinter is still alive. The very first story arc, Zodiac, also had snake Karai in it.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      When season 4 of Samurai Jack was still airing, it was green-lit for 50 more episodes (about four seasons) to start with season 5. But there never was a season 5. The creator was willing, but the show was put in indefinite hiatus after season 4 finished, and never officially cancelled. It's been over 10 years now, and it's generally understood to have been silently cancelled. It can happen.

      Yeah...that wasn't so much because of the show but more or less because they failed hard to sell it. You remember those Samurai Jack toy commercials? COURSE YA DON'T-they failed to market it, luckily didn't waste any money on a fifth season yet, so they cut their losses. The biggest problem with the Cartoon Cartoon Era was marketing. Also you might forget, but a LOT of kids my age thought it was dumb because everything he killed just HAPPENED to be a robot. The same also goes with Young Justice, they are awful at marketing, and record a third season yet.

      Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles doesn't have that problem like AT ALL, it probably never will as every series is able to sell a BILLION toys. I just wish I could get a damned show accurate Rahzar, the turtles are fine, but Rahzar is WAY too small.

      There's a reason Nickelodeon spammed Invader Zim DVDs in the late 2000s, they all ready recorded a last season and through cancelling they almost made a financial loss. 

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    • Yoshimickster: Heh, you're probably right in your assessment. Still...it would be really depressing to still have mostly-terribly-written new 2K12 episodes half a decade from now. A soulless franchise zombie increasingly shaping the future of TMNT mythology? That already happened once from 1987 to 1996. It was a disaster to young adult Mirage and Palladium fans, and the TMNT multiverse has still never quite recovered from the sheer damage it wreaked on TMNT's reputation and mythology.

      Ruin reputations

      (A scene from "Teen Turtle Techno Trio Plus One!", published by Mirage in 1989.)

      I'd increasingly have nothing in common with 2K12's later fans. Even worse, I'd still like the TMNT stuff I follow, but other fans and I might increasingly consider each other a nuisance. I've seen that happen in other fandoms as fanbases intractably split along their fault lines. It's one of the reasons it's virtually impossible to get the various Star Fox fans to get along in one place without the different fan factions descending into a bloodbath.

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    • By the way, I know that since I'm 35, I would have been about 9 when that comic story was published. But I was introduced to Mirage at a fairly young age.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1: Try Amazing Adventures. Splinter is still alive. The very first story arc, Zodiac, also had snake Karai in it.

      That's a book right? I know you are trying to cheer me up but without Splinter in the show anymore, its a no him=no me, I'm very sorry to say. The only reason I MIGHT watch the show without him in it, is when they make Karai a permenant character...so probably won't for a while. Until people are like, "YAY Splinter's back!!!!!!" Thanks for trying though, really appriciate it.

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    • Yes, it's a comic book. But Amazing Adventures has been split off from the TV show's continuity, so the TV show and the comic book no longer share mutual canon. :) That means, Splinter is not necessarily going to die in the comic. In fact, they gave him more character development by introducing Tetsumi Onamota, a character who was a childhood friend to Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki, but then became an enemy to both. It's a complex enmity, because Yoshi still cares about Tetsumi, knowing he was once a good person.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1: Try Amazing Adventures. Splinter is still alive. The very first story arc, Zodiac, also had snake Karai in it.
      That's a book right? I know you are trying to cheer me up but without Splinter in the show anymore, its a no him=no me, I'm very sorry to say. The only reason I MIGHT watch the show without him in it, is when they make Karai a permenant character...so probably won't for a while. Until people are like, "YAY Splinter's back!!!!!!" Thanks for trying though, really appriciate it.

      Yes, they really should make Karai a permanent character, she's earned it.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Yoshimickster: Heh, you're probably right in your assessment. Still...it would be really depressing to still have mostly-terribly-written new 2K12 episodes half a decade from now. A soulless franchise zombie increasingly shaping the future of TMNT mythology? That already happened once from 1987 to 1996. It was a disaster to young adult Mirage and Palladium fans, and the TMNT multiverse has still never quite recovered from the sheer damage it wreaked on TMNT's reputation and mythology.

      Ruin reputations

      (A scene from "Teen Turtle Techno Trio Plus One!", published by Mirage in 1989.)

      I'd increasingly have nothing in common with 2K12's later fans. Even worse, I'd still like the TMNT stuff I follow, but other fans and I might increasingly consider each other a nuisance. I've seen that happen in other fandoms as fanbases intractably split along their fault lines. It's one of the reasons it's virtually impossible to get the various Star Fox fans to get along in one place without the different fan factions descending into a bloodbath.

      Damage? That show is the reason TMNT IS the mega giant franchise it is today. Sure it was more childish, but while the original series was grim its roots are deep in satire and was originally a joke(the concept art made on a napkin). Hell, Shredder's original name was gonna be "Cheese Grater Man"! Was it perfect, no, but they didn't stop Eastman and Laird from making their comics. Its like watching the Dragon ball show, and realizing there's a comic version that tells the story better! You can hate it, but it DIDN'T hurt the comics, it just brought some confusion.

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    • I preferred the Mirage comics over the 1987 TV series by far. I think I might have preferred the franchise remain relatively obscure but still appeal mainly to adults and (at youngest) teenagers. The 2012 TV series at first was clever and subtly acknowledged adults were watching, but now the only adults it seems to acknowledge anymore are manchildren who only cared previously about the 1987 TV series. TMNT should have remained for more mature audiences, and should never have been for little kids in the first place. Back in the day, it was considered bizarre and even wildly inappropriate for such a mature and violent comic to be adapted into a cartoon for young children. Considering the inherent extreme violence of ninjutsu, it still could be inappropriate for young children. The kind of show I wished for for years, was an hour-long drama full of noir as well as action, with more of a TV-14-DLV rating and in the daring spirit of the Mirage comics and Palladium RPG. But because of the abject kiddification of the franchise, we may never see a TV series like that. Do you have any idea how much that can piss off a fan who prefers the Mirage approach?

      There's a reason it was introduced to me when I was young. It was a gift, because "kids love ninja turtles", and I don't think they fully realized just how adult these comics were. But I found it deep and engaging, and I always preferred it.

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    • Huh, I just realized the paradox of my own words. If it had never become a large franchise, then there might never have been any TV shows, let alone a more mature TV show that never materialized. I guess I can't change history.

      Still, it would be nice to have had more TMNT TV shows, films, etc. that don't directly appeal to little kids (or manchildren) and actually appeal primarily to adults. And it would be especially nice if the shows that are being made don't keep falling into the trap of becoming glorified 30-minute toyetic commercials where story and character development don't seem to matter. Merchandise-driven shows can still help sell merchandise and actually be well-written stories that make you think and feel and keep you guessing and anticipating, even if you're older than the primary target audience. Episodes like "Beyond the Known Universe" are fantastic case studies of how to write a really bad TMNT story.

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    • Yeah as dumb as it was(especially that *shutter* vacation in Europe storyline), the 87 cartoon is a key integral part, and even if there was no concrete story you can still like it as a silly cartoon. Even so, did they HAVE to warp to where the turtles just have to be? Get your techno-parts FIRST-then murder the turtles, I know killing two birds with one stone is a popular phrase, but its not always applicable. 

      And maybe "Beyond this Known Universe" is bad for a dark classic story turtle story, but for a silly take the edge off from seeing the turtle's dad get stabbed in the back and MURDERED plus the entire PLANET story its pretty damn good. This ep is the equivalent of getting ice cream after your dog died in terms of tone. 

      No, if you want a bad over ALL story watch "Next Mutation". Peeps complained about Lord Dregg taking over Shred-head, wait till you see the generic mess that was the Dragon king! And the animatronics-DEAR LORD THE ANIMATRONICS! JIM HENSON STUDIOS WAS STILL A THING AND REMAINS, HAVE THEM DO IT!

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    • Yes, I already know about The Next Mutation.

      About "getting ice cream after your dog died"...okay, just maybe. :) But I'm also an adult, and no ice cream in the world could ease my pain after my cat died—and I was 27 at the time. When it comes to stories about recovery from trauma, I prefer stuff like True Stories. I could name other examples, but that story happened when the turtles were still young, and each of their coping processes were anything but simple, but at least they were relatable. This series has a bad track record for episodes that even begin to address trauma recovery. For example, during the North Hampton arc, the only character whose recovery was shown to be difficult was Leonardo, and the other characters barely showed any signs of psychological trauma whatsoever. I know part of that is that a show for 7 year olds doesn't want to risk that psychological trauma rubbing off on their audience, but therein lies another problem—the target audience of a show about violent ninja being 7 years old. If a story can't at least be as serious about life and consequences as Naruto or the first five seasons of TMNT 2K3, then it doesn't deserve the ninja fiction genre in the first place.

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    • There is not doubt that the original source material in True Stories is superior, but I still stand by season 3's interpretation of it. And yeah Leo took it longest to recover, but that's because he got hit the hardest both mentally and physically. Hell, his voice was permanently damaged because of the fight, a permanent mark of failure. As for the others, as the show stated the turtles deal with stress in different ways, Donnie buries himself in his work, Raph trains, and Mikey goofs off. That doesn't mean they weren't going through the same thing, shell they even showed Mikey crying when they were contacted by Splinter in Obi-wan mode(obvious movie reference). Sometimes a story doesn't NEED to show to tell. Was it the most accurate? No, but that's because it keeps to both its Mirage AND 87 show routes. Some eps are sillier than others, some eps are darker than others, its a show that can be anything and I LOVE it for that.

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    • Hm, I guess you're right about how they each coped in Within the Woods.

      Still, show-don't-tell is pretty important for helping you actually believe characters are feeling, suffering, growing, trying to cope, etc. It helps not just to see them cope, but also to see consistent, believable signs that they actually have a reason for needing to cope. Know what I mean? And it's not just enough to know they have cracks, but also not to send mixed signals by having so many other scenes with the effect of strongly suggesting they have no real depth (Mikey's scene in the Triceraton mind-sucking machine being one of the worst examples), because it's a negative form of character development that actually unravels the effects of other scenes that try to give them depth. The show has developed a gross imbalance in this regard—too much character derailment, not enough character development. The 1987 series had that imbalance too, which is one of the biggest reasons I have no real fondness for it. Show-don't-tell keeps it feeling real, rather than forcing the viewer to go long stretches on faith and credit (and increasingly making excuses for the story's flaws) until it is simply no longer possible to maintain a suspension of disbelief.

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    • Wait, you got "No-depth" from Mikey's mind sucking experience? I thought it was that his mind is SO wild that no-one can break it,not even evil sauropod science. He's kinda like mush that way, can't build it up but you can't break it down, its all give. In a way, mush has the edge. Hank Rutherford Hill. 

      Either that or it was just a hilarious trip scene.

      Back to the topic, while I agree its importance, I don't think its needed ALL the time. I think its a good thing they leave their development up to interpretation, which in my opinion makes it a much more engrossing experience as a viewer. What I don't see, I fill in the blanks, as what I DID see was pretty dang cool. 

      Also I would not call what they went through in the latter half of season 3 as derailment, when they derail, they stupidly let loose a million viles of mutagen through-out the city and are then lose their best friend who for some reason thinks SHE has to apologize to them. Sure they acknowledged it, and it lead to some AWESOME mutants such as the legit scary Xenomorph pastiches the squirrelenoids being made- BUT STILL!  

      And no development? How about that inward journey where they fought their own personal demons in the forms of recycled animation models? How about Casey and Donnie becoming friends after the events of Speed Demon while STILL being romantic rivals? Friendly rivals for the win! How about repetitively dealing with the fact that they fail to save Karai over and over and OVER, the failure looming over their heads constantly. Or learning that in order to save Splinter, they had to watch their step-mom be MURDERED, making them realize how glad they are to have Splinter, which if you think about it was clever foreshadowing to the dark events of the finale.

      Either way, even if there was not development, there certainly wasn't derailment. 

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    • You spoke of season 3, but actually described season 2. I don't have a huge problem with season 2. It just is when some of the worst problems only started to creep in. It was still largely good. The Mutation Situation was one of the episodes I actually really liked.

      Anyway, when Donnie and Casey keep having the same rivalry plot over and over and over again, it's not development—it's recycling. It gets old, and it would be nice to see a new and uniquely different phase of their development.

      Even if Mikey in the mind-sucking machine is interpreted as being immune to probing methods, it's still not necessarily good for his character development, because he becomes even more of a dumbass flavor of Mary Sue, where his stupidity and/or vapidity help save the day yet again. I'm tired of this being Mikey's plot superpower. At least in Dimension X he actually became smart.

      The Karai plot has really worn thin too, like it's been dragged out long past its effectiveness to the point where we just want it resolved already.

      And while it was meaningful that Leo realized he couldn't interfere with history, that entire episode still seemed very bored, like it was just going through the motions of telling what happened in the past without any real twists or turns. "You shouldn't interfere with history or you mess up the present" is already a very old, well-recognized time travel trope, and Leo realizing it was like saying water is wet.

      And when I say character derailment, I speak not only of character neglect (and there's lots of neglect), but also stuff like turning April into more and more of a psychic Mary Sue, or Casey's utter failure to become an interesting, well-developed character even after being given an obscene amount of screen time (thus failing to match up to practically every Casey that preceded him), or far too many times when they've given very interesting hints of character development to various characters only to completely ignore those hints in the future as the show keeps changing writers and directions. Raph in particular was one of the deepest, most complicated characters in the first two seasons, and now he's one of the most formulaic, and especially since Dinosaur Seen in Sewers has also become one of the most unlikable.

      Anyway, Amazing Adventures is taking the characters I loved and actually developing them rather well so far, using its own continuity to reverse more and more of the complaints I've accumulated about the show. In just three issues so far, it's told a better story and had better characters than virtually all of season 3. Zodiac had a fantastic debut, and Slash hasn't seen this much character development since Battle for New York. Even Pete is getting character development, and he's actually more cute and less grotesque now. It's been great! :)

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    • Oh COME ON, that was probably the most annoying thing about season 2! 

      Fleh, don't bug me none. Still less annoying than any love triangle in X-men.

      Dude don't say Mary Sue, that term has been corupted so much that its lost all meaning. He's not based on the creator, he isn't loved by all, and he's not omnipotent. Just say overpowered, its more accurate. And he didn't BECOME smart in Dimension X, he IS smart, just in specific situations. He's one of a kind, and you know just where to find him when its party time. And even so, Mikey has always been a joke character with heart, it comes with the terirtory that he  killscreen stupidity ends up baring fruit. 

      Yes, because a Mary Sue TOTALLY gets knocked out by a backknocker. Her psychic powers have been developing slowly since season one, THAT is some development. And yeah Casey isn't as cool as the original but...I think that's the point. He's some dumb athlete trying to save the world, he ain't supposed to be that complex! And yeah Raph didn't show as much of himself as he did in the previous 2, but I was distracted by my enjoyment of mutant turtles fighting ninjas, mutants, and ninja mutants. Maybe season 4, maybe not, I'm good either way. You know who I wish was there more, PUNK FROGS!

      And yes I've heard great things as well. 

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    • I can see this discussion going on potentially without end. It seems to me like many of the things I like, you don't like, and many of the things you like, I don't like. There's a sense of stalemate here.

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    • Yeah, we're just going to be defending our points until the end of time aren't we? WELL *CLAP* have a good'n!

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Lemme fangirl for a second:

      Love the new opening!

      Reference to the Utroms!!

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      April in her 80's jumpsuit!!!!

      Casey makes a Vanilla Ice reference!!!!!

      LORD DREGG LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!

      And did anyone else notice that the crystal that changes color with emotion in April's hands changed color when Donnie was next to her? Apritello doesn't need to be a big thing in this show but that was good enough for me!

      Love the new intro....

      The new villian...I hope he is nastier than Shredder.

      I've watched the first episode...It is so funny when Leo tries to hit on an alien girl.  Does this mean Leo's obsesion with Karai...is on hold....?

      Poor Mikey, Fugitiod is an android, doesn't eat...is there's food in that ship of theirs.

      Ralph and Casey...Boys will be Boys.  That is they chop off the robot vendor's head.

      To the Apritello fans (which I am NOT), DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!!!  For God's sake...enough with the Apritellos already...

      Let make this show more on the FUNNY and The ACTION...

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    • PennTurtle wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Lemme fangirl for a second:

      Love the new opening!

      Reference to the Utroms!!

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      April in her 80's jumpsuit!!!!

      Casey makes a Vanilla Ice reference!!!!!

      LORD DREGG LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!

      And did anyone else notice that the crystal that changes color with emotion in April's hands changed color when Donnie was next to her? Apritello doesn't need to be a big thing in this show but that was good enough for me!

      Love the new intro....

      The new villian...I hope he is nastier than Shredder.

      I've watched the first episode...It is so funny when Leo tries to hit on an alien girl.  Does this mean Leo's obsesion with Karai...is on hold....?

      Poor Mikey, Fugitiod is an android, doesn't eat...is there's food in that ship of theirs.

      Ralph and Casey...Boys will be Boys.  That is they chop off the robot vendor's head.

      To the Apritello fans (which I am NOT), DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!!!  For God's sake...enough with the Apritellos already...

      Let make this show more on the FUNNY and The ACTION...

      I think we're gonna have plenty of funny and action now that the episode has ended with them being surrounded by Triceratons. I'm looking forward to potential 2k3 turtles references!

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:

      I think we're gonna have plenty of funny and action now that the episode has ended with them being surrounded by Triceratons. I'm looking forward to potential 2k3 turtles references!

      Dude, that is WAY past due. You have no idea how much I look forward to that every day. Why have they not done it yet!?! They even took elements like Bishop as well as the space arc with the Triceratons and Fugitoid from the 2003 series. They already referenced the 1987 series like a gazillion times in this show already. And now the actual 1987 turtles and Krang are confirmed for later this season. What is with the nonstop 1987 references. Although I'm stoked that the original voice cast is coming back as well (especially with Rob Paulsen voicing 2 turtles), 2K3 deserves some screen time too. IT WAS SO GOOD!!! PLEASE BRING BACK SH'OKANABO AND CODY JONES!

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    • Yes to Sh'okanabo...on the fence on Cody Jones.

      What I'M hoping for are the Himawari Ganjin, those dudes were awesome and would've made GREAT action figures! Also the evil turtles, and maybe that weapons trader dude.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: Yes to Sh'okanabo...on the fence on Cody Jones.

      What I'M hoping for are the Himawari Ganjin, those dudes were awesome and would've made GREAT action figures! Also the evil turtles, and maybe that weapons trader dude.

      Himawari Gangin?...Never heard of them.

      And yes, I have also been hoping for the dark turtles to appear, but I feel like if they do, they'll probably be like some demonic identical looking counterparts created by Savanti Romero. I know it isn't the best way to introduce them, but I don't see how else this show may introduce them if they don't take significant aspects from the Fast Forward season of 2K3.

      And what weapons trader guy? Zixx? Hmm🤔

      Anyway, the 2003 series' Fast Forward season introduced a lot of complex and interesting characters, particularly villains, who can do 2K12 some justice. Sh'Okanabo made a much bigger impression on me than even Shredder did in 2K3. Almost nothing could stop him (except for the sun, but still). And Viral was probably one of their most cunning, smartest, and manipulative enemies. Oh yeah, and did I mention 2K12 NEEDS MORE FEMALE CHARACTERS, ESPECIALLY VILLAINS!?! 2K12 has no female villains (and Karai does not count as a villain). And Vringath Dregg is cool and all but I would have MUCH rathered they chose Sh'Okanabo over him for this season. One thing the writers do that disappoints me ALOT is that they show so many references and bring back so many characters from the 1987 series, and for the most part complete ignore 2K3. Don't get me wrong, I love the 87 references. But they shouldn't just act like 2K3 never happened, especially when they take significant aspects from that show. Yes, I know, Bishop and the Earth Protection Force (Who aren't even connected anymore) made an appearance in major alien invasion episodes like The Invasion and Annihilation Earth already but that doesn't even BEGIN to cut it. But otherwise, I'm pretty happy about where season 4's going. I actually really love it when the turtles drop the old rackity weapons and upgrade to something better. Also when they stop hiding in the shadows and start interacting with the general public (even though it is primarily alien creatures). The new weapons and space suits remind me a lot of fast forward which makes me a VERY happy guy. Leo's new blades, Raph's new sais, and Donnie's new staff/computer are so futuristic and awesome. Mikey's forearm slicers or whatever...I'm not too crazy about. Plus I'm exited for the new characters Armaggan (who has great potential), more of Zog and Mozar, Sal Commander (who also has great potential), and my Salamandarian princess Mona Lisa.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:

      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:

      I think we're gonna have plenty of funny and action now that the episode has ended with them being surrounded by Triceratons. I'm looking forward to potential 2k3 turtles references!

      Dude, that is WAY past due. You have no idea how much I look forward to that every day. Why have they not done it yet!?! They even took elements like Bishop as well as the space arc with the Triceratons and Fugitoid from the 2003 series. They already referenced the 1987 series like a gazillion times in this show already. And now the actual 1987 turtles and Krang are confirmed for later this season. What is with the nonstop 1987 references. Although I'm stoked that the original voice cast is coming back as well (especially with Rob Paulsen voicing 2 turtles), 2K3 deserves some screen time too. IT WAS SO GOOD!!! PLEASE BRING BACK SH'OKANABO AND CODY JONES!

      I agree man! If there's just one thing I want to happen in reference to the 2k3 show it's that if the turtles go to a Triceraton prison, I want Mikey to eat floor wax! XD

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    • That would be hilarious! XD

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    • Ok, I know this is off topic, but if anyone noticed when I said "If they don't save Karai soon I'm gonna hurt someone." You know I was just venting right? I'm only saying that because I am glad this fandom isn't like the Steven Universe or Sonic Fandoms... gosh, did you hear about what the SU fanbase did?

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Yes to Sh'okanabo...on the fence on Cody Jones.

      What I'M hoping for are the Himawari Ganjin, those dudes were awesome and would've made GREAT action figures! Also the evil turtles, and maybe that weapons trader dude.

      Ohhh!!! Yess!! Don't forget Usagi Yogimbo (the samurai rabbit, forgot his last name, please help)...

      Sh'okanako....Awesome.....possibly in the later part of the season....or after they saved the Earth which is possibly in mid-season.

      I wish Ranet would return....MIKEY.  Funny he didn't mention her when they time traveled Six Month back.....

      Speaking of which....Cody Jones (to the Apritellos again)...we know that he is the great (5x) grandson of Casey and April...in 2k3 version...you know what I am talking about!!!

      And the Evil Turtles....SHOWDOWN.....GOOD VS EVIL (Dimension Wars).

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    • Miyamoto Usagi is unlikely ever to appear in 2K12. He only appears in TMNT projects Peter Laird is involved with because he and Stan Sakai are friends.

      It wouldn't be bad to see Renet again...if she were completely different alternate universe version, because was written and developed very, very baaaaaaaaaaaaadly.

      I think Cody Jones isn't any more likely to reappear as a character than Venus de Milo. Fan reaction hated him with the fire of a thousand suns.

      I don't really like plots that imply a regular character is some glowing standard of good to be opposed by an alternate "evil version" of them. I prefer it when plots acknowledge the greyness of characters as realistically having both good and evil tendencies, varying from character to character.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      I don't really like plots that imply a regular character is some glowing standard of good to be opposed by an alternate "evil version" of them. I prefer it when plots acknowledge the greyness of characters as realistically having both good and evil tendencies, varying from character to character.

      Yeah, but ain't it fun to see an opposite character? Like Bizarro world, or the Yellow Lantern corps! 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote:

      I don't really like plots that imply a regular character is some glowing standard of good to be opposed by an alternate "evil version" of them. I prefer it when plots acknowledge the greyness of characters as realistically having both good and evil tendencies, varying from character to character.

      Yeah, but ain't it fun to see an opposite character? Like Bizarro world, or the Yellow Lantern corps! 

      Not really. I consider it something of a discredited trope. Just too ridiculous.

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    • Well I'm sure I can think of ONE that you like or at least find viable. In the Teen Titans episode "The End Part II", Raven's demonic father Trigon literally dug into Starfire, Beast Boy, and Cyborg's souls/subconscious and completely separated the good aspects of them from the evil aspects of them and forced them into a fight. So technically, that plot created alternative evil versions of themselves while also showing the grayness (quite literally if you watched the episode) of a single heroic character.😇

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    • So if Lord Dregg is lord of all insect life, could he control Baxter Stockman?  Not that that'd be too hard-- the guy's a creampuff. Still, with his mind under the power of a sociopathic insect overlord, Stockman could go from a mealy-mouthed, craven tech drone to a truly formidable opponent.

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    • I'm glad Fugitoid is Splinter's replacement for now. Splinter, Karai and the Mighty Mutanimals should live for 6 months in the past.

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    • And hopefully the turtles will fix everything and they'll stay alive forever.

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    • Everyone eventually dies of old age. XD

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    • I noticed this when I saw the episode, but I kept forgetting to mention it until now.

      Dregg: I am Lord Vringath Dregg, ruler of Planet Sectoid, lord of all insect life in the universe, and bringer of your deaths!
      Raphael: (pretending to have phone to ear) Ah, could you hang on a second? I just got a phone call here from someone named I Don't Give a Flying
      Donatello: —That's great! Thanks, Raph! Nice diplomacy there.

      Usually, a show's TV Parental Guidelines rating doesn't go up if there's light swearing where the expletive is cut off ("what the—" for "what the hell"), or if the expletive is replaced with a minced oath ("what the heck"). But when the cut off expletive or minced oath implies strong cursing (like an F-bomb), the show's rating usually has to go up, at least a little. When I heard this line, it made me think Nickelodeon is really stretching the limits of the TV-Y7 rating, and may actually be breaking them.

      Now, if this show wants to go full TV-PG, that's perfectly fine. :) There certainly are shows that run at similar time slots for similar audiences that are TV-PG, such as Steven Universe.

      Amethyst: Don't worry, I've already seen your junk.

      But it is really quite pretentious for Nick to pass off episodes like this one as TV-Y7. I mean, when was the last time you heard a 7 year old—one who doesn't already swear like a sailor—say things like "I don't give a flying" anything? And I consider it virtually impossible that a typical 10 year old has never heard the full phrase. So, all things considered, this was a lot more mature than Bebop's "Ninja, please," and it wasn't even subtly snuck past the radar—it was directly in front of the radar.

      It's okay, Nick. Don't be shy. You can admit you've earned your TV-PG rating. XD

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    • Lol😂 I totally caught that. You know, there was also another implied swearing scene in this ep, even though it didn't seem intentional. When Donnie said "Asteroids! Big, HUGE, ASS-TEROIDS! Then everyone looked shocked and Mikey said "LANGUAGE DONNIE!" I'm sure everyone looked shocked because of the (cough) (cough) Asteroids, but Mikey saying that made me hear it the second time I listened to Donnie's line. But I agree that Raph's line was more boundary pushing. I was SHOCKED! 😳😱🤐

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Not really. I consider it something of a discredited trope. Just too ridiculous.

      Bizarro Yoshi agree, me hate silly stories that have underlying teachings of perspective.

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    • Okay, now you're just mocking me.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay, now you're just mocking me.

      Bizarro Yoshi am serious, him never do such a thing.

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    • Civility, dude. Civility.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Civility, dude. Civility.

      Oh by the blue flame of Splinter, TAKE A JOKE! I even typed in Bizarro speak.

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    • Bizarro!anything is a lame plot device and only teaches the broken aesop that the "normal" characters need not question whether they do any evil in their lives. Like I said, I prefer characters who are grey to begin with. Maybe with more good than evil, or maybe with more evil than good, but still morally complicated—and thus realistic.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Bizarro!anything is a lame plot device and only teaches the broken aesop that the "normal" characters need not question whether they do any evil in their lives. Like I said, I prefer characters who are grey to begin with. Maybe with more good than evil, or maybe with more evil than good, but still morally complicated—and thus realistic.

      The lesson in Bizarro is how to deal with cultures opposite to you. Superman always found a way to negotiate with the Bizarros, see things through THEIR eyes. 

      And with the Dark Turtles they weren't all bad either, Leo even taught Dark Leo in one episode, and in the end felt more compassion towards his brothers. Shame Fast Forward was cancelled, but that happens when you forget to make a FRIGGIN' toy line for a show that's obviously a toy commercial. A GOOD toy comercial, but still.

      But hey, that's just my opinion. 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: The lesson in Bizarro is how to deal with cultures opposite to you. Superman always found a way to negotiate with the Bizarros, see things through THEIR eyes.

      The problem is suggesting at all that other cultures are opposite to you. They're still made up of people, after all. Cultural differences—even countries going to war against each other—are far more complex than being "opposite" to anyone else. It does viewers a disservice to do anything to teach you that people of other cultures are somehow your moral opposites. At worst, it comes off as rather racist.

      You see, Superman (the example you cited) fights for "the American way"—that is a kind of wide-eyed nationalism that treats one's own country like it is the most moral and superior country in the world, when to most everyone else that sounds like an ignorant racism of exclusion. It promotes the asinine delusion that everyone else wants to be just like the people of your own country, and that people of other cultures could become better people if they became "more like us," and that the good done by people from other cultures is somehow in spite of their own "opposite" culture. Almost no one wants to be just like the United States—not even much of the United States. Culture and intercultural relations are far more complex than that.

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    • In the case of Bizarro world they are moral opposites, but the overlying message from a majority of his encounters with Bizarro is to find a way to coexist since he knows that while their customs are different they aren't evil. 

      And yeah that...that's not what he MEANS by "American way". The American way he believes in is a BETTER America, one that includes all walks of life. He's not an idiot, he fights coruption LITERALLY every month, so much so that he questions what he's defending...but he persists. Because dammit, sure the world is an ugly place, but that don't mean he can clean it up in his own way! He ain't invading countries, he's not bullying world leaders, he stops bad guys, and saves nigh-suicidal teenagers who think there's nothing left in this world- WHILE WORKING!

      I reccomend Grant Morrison's "All Star Superman" and "Superman vs. the Elite", which I HOPE is still on Netflix.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Bizarro!anything is a lame plot device and only teaches the broken aesop that the "normal" characters need not question whether they do any evil in their lives. Like I said, I prefer characters who are grey to begin with. Maybe with more good than evil, or maybe with more evil than good, but still morally complicated—and thus realistic.
      The lesson in Bizarro is how to deal with cultures opposite to you. Superman always found a way to negotiate with the Bizarros, see things through THEIR eyes. 

      And with the Dark Turtles they weren't all bad either, Leo even taught Dark Leo in one episode, and in the end felt more compassion towards his brothers. Shame Fast Forward was cancelled, but that happens when you forget to make a FRIGGIN' toy line for a show that's obviously a toy commercial. A GOOD toy comercial, but still.

      But hey, that's just my opinion. 

      Amen to that my rat brother.


      (I'm making a pun on you username. Don't hurt me :[ )

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    • It's still a flawed aesop that even the "ideal" American way is somehow still the best ideal. Whenever you package morals in nationalism, it is always going to sound national chauvinist.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It's still a flawed aesop that even the "ideal" American way is somehow still the best ideal. Whenever you package morals in nationalism, it is always going to sound national chauvinist.

      Its the best ideal to HIM, and its one that he fights to strive for, against all neigh-sayers even when he himself is one. And he is FAR from Natioalist, he admits America isn't perfect, and fights for peace throug-out the universe through love and understanding. And its only going to sound like nationalism, if you only hear what you want to hear instead of actually listening to the real message. Life isn't about absolutes, see a different perspective. 

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    • Phrases like "the American way" still carry too much baggage and are considered insensitive by other people.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Phrases like "the American way" still carry too much baggage and are considered insensitive by other people.

      And that's their problem, it means what it means and if people wanna see negative in a positive ideal than whatevs.

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    • I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*

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    • TMNTInsider wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*

      I know right! I'm way behind!

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*
      I know right! I'm way behind!

      If they want to keep me as a fan they'd BETTER not kill him!!!!

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*
      I know right! I'm way behind!
      If they want to keep me as a fan they'd BETTER not kill him!!!!

      I agree with you! :)

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*
      I know right! I'm way behind!
      If they want to keep me as a fan they'd BETTER not kill him!!!!
      I agree with you! :)

      thanks for agreeing with me but how does "Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler and are keeping it a secret." and "Brandon also saying that if Splinter returns, who knows?" give us ANY reason to believe he won't be permenantly dead?

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview and the NYCC 2015:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTGJkbxRcPM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF621AINiT4

      Consider watching it again. I found four reasons Splinter's not going to be dead:

      The blog (http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8) is fake.

      Splinter's permenant death is NOT comfirmed. It won't be true.

      Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler. They're keeping this a secret.

      Brandon Auman said that if Splinter returns, who knows?

      Boy are you behind on things! *smh*
      I know right! I'm way behind!
      If they want to keep me as a fan they'd BETTER not kill him!!!!
      I agree with you! :)
      thanks for agreeing with me but how does "Brandon Auman and Ciro Nieli reveals that Splinter being alive will be a spoiler and are keeping it a secret." and "Brandon also saying that if Splinter returns, who knows?" give us ANY reason to believe he won't be permenantly dead?

      I watched the interview of Hoon Lee.

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!

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    • TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:

      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!

      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!

      Who never said anything like that? 

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 

      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!

      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.

      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?

      I'm sorry I was just saying what I heard the internet saying, and I should be smart enough to know that the internet is never to be completely trusted.

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?
      I'm sorry I was just saying what I heard the internet saying, and I should be smart enough to know that the internet is never to be completely trusted.

      That's okay. :) I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the writers. Unfortunatly that sounds like something they would do. If you know the show Once Upon A Time on ABC, I think this show is slowly becoming that show with all things gloomy :(

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?

      MiwaandSplinterfan1, first off, quit being such a whiner! When a show has the guts to be so daring as to pull off a game-changer (at least for the time in this case), and one that both hits hard like it did and does it very well, it should be commended! Not reviled!

      Second, that episode was a masterpiece (to read why, check out my thread "Annihilation Earth vs. Same As It Never Was), shock value or no shock value! And if you're going to let emotional blinders keep you from seeing that, you shouldn't be watching TV in the first place! Yeah, one of your favorite character(s) was temporarilly killed, that doesn't mean you can just diss the episode out right. I mean, you're acting like a petulant child here, it's embarrassing!

      Third, Jade was grossly misinformed or was suffering under bad interpretation, although it looks like he/she may have realized he/she jumped the gun. We have until March 13 to see how this space arc is going to finish playing out but so far, I'm enjoying the road and the possibilities that lie ahead (Fugitoid's a great character, especially throughout TMNT lore as well, so that helps too).

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    • TMNTInsider wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?
      MiwaandSplinterfan1, first off, quit being such a whiner! When a show has the guts to be so daring as to pull off a game-changer (at least for the time in this case), and one that both hits hard like it did and does it very well, it should be commended! Not reviled!

      Second, that episode was a masterpiece (to read why, check out my thread "Annihilation Earth vs. Same As It Never Was), shock value or no shock value! And if you're going to let emotional blinders keep you from seeing that, you shouldn't be watching TV in the first place! Yeah, one of your favorite character(s) was temporarilly killed, that doesn't mean you can just diss the episode out right. I mean, you're acting like a petulant child here, it's embarrassing!

      Third, Jade was grossly misinformed or was suffering under bad interpretation, although it looks like he/she may have realized he/she jumped the gun. We have until March 13 to see how this space arc is going to finish playing out but so far, I'm enjoying the road and the possibilities that lie ahead (Fugitoid's a great character, especially throughout TMNT lore as well, so that helps too).

      Don't be nasty to her, she has the right to voice her opinion, yes she should do it in a less aggressive way. But you don't have to call her names. Secondly how do you know it's until March 13th? Do you have sources to confirm that. Thridly, we just have to hope for the best and that this turns out good. (Splinter coming back to life, Karai being reunited with her family hopefully by the end of the season etc.)

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      Don't be nasty to her, she has the right to voice her opinion, yes she should do it in a less aggressive way. But you don't have to call her names. Secondly how do you know it's until March 13th? Do you have sources to confirm that. Thridly, we just have to hope for the best and that this turns out good. (Splinter coming back to life, Karai being reunited with her family hopefully by the end of the season etc.)

      First, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck! If she/he is acting like a child, I should have the right to call him/her so! She/he knows (or should) that she/he's acting like one! And he/she's been acting like one for quite some time too!

      Second, the last two episode 13s have aired in mid-March and this seasons episodes are following the exact same schedule. And since the Fugitoid/space arc has been confirmed again and again as 13 episodes, voila! Ain't common sense great or what?

      And last, of course those last two things are going to happen! Everyone knows that or should know that b/c that's the way these things always turn out in a show like this that's geared towards the demographics it's geared to! They may up the ante with episodes like "The Invasion" or "Annihilation Earth" from time to time but things have always proven to work out in time.

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    • TMNTInsider wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:

      Don't be nasty to her, she has the right to voice her opinion, yes she should do it in a less aggressive way. But you don't have to call her names. Secondly how do you know it's until March 13th? Do you have sources to confirm that. Thridly, we just have to hope for the best and that this turns out good. (Splinter coming back to life, Karai being reunited with her family hopefully by the end of the season etc.)

      First, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck! If she/he is acting like a child, I should have the right to call him/her so! She/he knows (or should) that she/he's acting like one! And he/she's been acting like one for quite some time too!

      Second, the last two episode 13s have aired in mid-March and this seasons episodes are following the exact same schedule. And since the Fugitoid/space arc has been confirmed again and again as 13 episodes, voila! Ain't common sense great or what?

      And last, of course those last two things are going to happen! Everyone knows that or should know that b/c that's the way these things always turn out in a show like this that's geared towards the demographics it's geared to! They may up the ante with episodes like "The Invasion" or "Annihilation Earth" from time to time but things have always proven to work out in time.

      Look! I'm sorry if I come across as a crying baby to you but trust me when I say that Splinter has a huge spot in my heart because he is the father figure that I've always wanted but unfortunatly am never going to get. I know he's just a cartoon but like I said, he's always been very close to my heart so when something like this happens to him, I kind of break down. I know that we all THINK (only capitalized since we can't underline) and hope of course, that they will save him and Miwa. But one of my other favorite shows has shown that just because you want something to happen, it doesn't always. Ever heard of/seen Once Upon A Time on ABC? I know that there aren't as gruesome scenes as there are in Once but ever since the old writers left, this show has been slowly starting to become a turtle version of the other. And yes, they always kill off (permenantly) my favorites on that show too.

      Look...let's make a deal. I'll try to be less aggressive with my voicing my opinion, if you please don't call me a kid again. I know I might not seem it based on how I've worded my opinions, but I'm actually twenty so yes, I know how to act.

      And actually other than when someone died, I LOVED that episode (Annhilation Earth) especially the rare time we actually got to see Splinter and Shredder fighting along side each other (even though it was probably just so that Shredder could get the right moment). So yes, I did like it very much. Did you have a favorite scene?

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?
      MiwaandSplinterfan1, first off, quit being such a whiner! When a show has the guts to be so daring as to pull off a game-changer (at least for the time in this case), and one that both hits hard like it did and does it very well, it should be commended! Not reviled!

      Second, that episode was a masterpiece (to read why, check out my thread "Annihilation Earth vs. Same As It Never Was), shock value or no shock value! And if you're going to let emotional blinders keep you from seeing that, you shouldn't be watching TV in the first place! Yeah, one of your favorite character(s) was temporarilly killed, that doesn't mean you can just diss the episode out right. I mean, you're acting like a petulant child here, it's embarrassing!

      Third, Jade was grossly misinformed or was suffering under bad interpretation, although it looks like he/she may have realized he/she jumped the gun. We have until March 13 to see how this space arc is going to finish playing out but so far, I'm enjoying the road and the possibilities that lie ahead (Fugitoid's a great character, especially throughout TMNT lore as well, so that helps too).

      Don't be nasty to her, she has the right to voice her opinion, yes she should do it in a less aggressive way. But you don't have to call her names. Secondly how do you know it's until March 13th? Do you have sources to confirm that. Thridly, we just have to hope for the best and that this turns out good. (Splinter coming back to life, Karai being reunited with her family hopefully by the end of the season etc.)

      Lol sorry for the agressive nature Chris XD but like I told him/her, Splinter is very dear to me. My father has more of a Shredder kind of personality (of course he's never killed or did anything that Shredder has done lol), meaning, he always acts like the victim, he blames people for what he does/says, lies about people, NEVER admits when he's wrong, and one of the closest things between the two "men"...my dad is also accusing someone of murder! So, sorry if I can come across as agressive when it comes to Splinter and Miwa. Splinter is just the father type that I've always wanted but sadly will never have. I know I sound like a crying baby but I'm just trying to explain the best I can about why I get that way.

      P.S. LOL thanks for trying to help! Just tell me when I can repay it.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Look! I'm sorry if I come across as a crying baby to you but trust me when I say that Splinter has a huge spot in my heart because he is the father figure that I've always wanted but unfortunatly am never going to get. I know he's just a cartoon but like I said, he's always been very close to my heart so when something like this happens to him, I kind of break down. I know that we all THINK (only capitalized since we can't underline) and hope of course, that they will save him and Miwa. But one of my other favorite shows has shown that just because you want something to happen, it doesn't always. Ever heard of/seen Once Upon A Time on ABC? I know that there aren't as gruesome scenes as there are in Once but ever since the old writers left, this show has been slowly starting to become a turtle version of the other. And yes, they always kill off (permenantly) my favorites on that show too.
      Look...let's make a deal. I'll try to be less aggressive with my voicing my opinion, if you please don't call me a kid again. I know I might not seem it based on how I've worded my opinions, but I'm actually twenty so yes, I know how to act.

      And actually other than when someone died, I LOVED that episode (Annhilation Earth) especially the rare time we actually got to see Splinter and Shredder fighting along side each other (even though it was probably just so that Shredder could get the right moment). So yes, I did like it very much. Did you have a favorite scene?

      All right, you've made your case. If you are more rational in your posts, you've got a deal. As for "OUAT", I never bothered with that show. It just didn't look like a show I could get behind nor take seriously.

      My favorite scene from "AE", you can also read about it in that thread I made, was what I refer to as "The Rapture". I like most of Leatherhead's scenes as well as some really interesting things in the battle at Central Park but the rapture I thought was just so beautifully done despite the dread you felt coming up for the supporting characters. Everyone ascending reminded me of a possible rapture and the Triceratons came across like the old Greek gods gathered around together (like in some of those old paintings) and celebrating the destruction/rapture of us mere mortals from afar--how they animated the crumbling of the Earth into the black hole was also pretty unforgettable. I can't help but sometimes play the title theme from the first season of "The Leftovers" while the whole thing plays out, not only b/c it matches it well but the opening credits themselves are very reminiscent of what's going on in that episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQIHe5o05Ck 

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      TMNTInsider wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Fugitoid says there is a way to save the Earth and Master Splinter even though the writers said otherwise!!!
      They never said anything like that! Why would you make that up?!
      Who never said anything like that? 
      That's it! No more me as a fan! Nice going writers!
      Let's just calm down until we know this is true.
      I'm trying Chris, I REALLY am...but when everyone is saying that oh the writers are saying that we aren't going to be able to save him and the Earth, I don't have much faith anymore in them. I mean if we aren't saving them, then what's the point of these first 13 episodes and them even TRYING to save them?
      I'm sorry I was just saying what I heard the internet saying, and I should be smart enough to know that the internet is never to be completely trusted.
      That's okay. :) I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at the writers. Unfortunatly that sounds like something they would do. If you know the show Once Upon A Time on ABC, I think this show is slowly becoming that show with all things gloomy :(

      Maybe so, I hope not though, you gotta have a little comedy or good things happening to lighten the mood.

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