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  • I wish Season 5 should have a Shredder/Foot Clan storyline.

    Season 4 of TMNT 2012 will start on Halloween (Oct 31, 2015). If you want some ideas about Season 4, you can write about it.

    Season 4:

    The Turtles and his friends return 6 months in time to collect the pieces of the Black Hole Generator/Heart of Darkness to stop the Triceratons from going to Earth.

    Theory for Season 4 finale:

    The Turtles, the Mighty Mutanimals, April and Casey goes face to face with Kraang Prime during a bigger Kraang invasion on New York.

    Splinter, Karai and Leo takes on the Shredder and the Foot Clan for a duel.

    Theory for Season 5 final episode:

    Spider Bytez and the Newtralizer (if he was gonna return) joins the Foot Clan.

    The Turtles, April, Casey, Karai and the Mighty Mutanimals fights the Foot Clan on a final showdown.

    Shredder plans to use a super mutagen to mutate everyone in the world.

    Splinter and Leo fights Shredder together.

    Karai sacrifices herself by having Shredder stab her in the chest but Splinter and Leo revives her with the healing hands.

    Shredder mutates into a Monster Shredder. (like in the movie Secret of the Ooze)

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    • My theory for Season 5 it could have a multiverse element, it was teased with in season 2 in Manhattan project and return of tiger claw. What if we see the battle nexus appear in the show, though what season 5 is based around either Karai or Splinter centered. Due each of the four being based around the turtles. I doubt they would just add a new character center season 5 like Carter from the original 87 show or (shudder) Venus Demilo.

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    • KaijuHero wrote:
      My theory for Season 5 it could have a multiverse element, it was teased with in season 2 in Manhattan project and return of tiger claw. What if we see the battle nexus appear in the show, though what season 5 is based around either Karai or Splinter centered. Due each of the four being based around the turtles. I doubt they would just add a new character center season 5 like Carter from the original 87 show or (shudder) Venus Demilo.

      Cool theory. Although there should be more members of the Foot Clan like Tatsu or Tokka in Season 5.

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    • KaijuHero wrote:
      My theory for Season 5 it could have a multiverse element, it was teased with in season 2 in Manhattan project and return of tiger claw. What if we see the battle nexus appear in the show, though what season 5 is based around either Karai or Splinter centered. Due each of the four being based around the turtles. I doubt they would just add a new character center season 5 like Carter from the original 87 show or (shudder) Venus Demilo.

      Battle Nexus, Venus DeMilo, or Carter will never be appear in this show. I rather wanted to see the 1987 and 2003 Turtles appear in the show. And I wondered what if the final episode of Season 5 would like a cross between a Mirage story arc "City At War" and TMNT Secrets of the Ooze movie. And I think Savanti Romero will appear in the center of the Season 5. Remember that episode Turtles in Time? I think Donnie just send Savanti Romero to the Mesozoic era. 

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    • Januszb1 wrote:

      KaijuHero wrote:
      My theory for Season 5 it could have a multiverse element, it was teased with in season 2 in Manhattan project and return of tiger claw. What if we see the battle nexus appear in the show, though what season 5 is based around either Karai or Splinter centered. Due each of the four being based around the turtles. I doubt they would just add a new character center season 5 like Carter from the original 87 show or (shudder) Venus Demilo.

      Battle Nexus, Venus DeMilo, or Carter will never be appear in this show. I rather wanted to see the 1987 and 2003 Turtles appear in the show. And I wondered what if the final episode of Season 5 would like a cross between a Mirage story arc "City At War" and TMNT Secrets of the Ooze movie. And I think Savanti Romero will appear in the center of the Season 5. Remember that episode Turtles in Time? I think Donnie just send Savanti Romero to the Mesozoic era. 

      1st. Renet was the one who sent Savante Romero to the Mesozoic era. 2. I thought City at War was the basis of the return to new York saga. Though there could be a huge war consisting of the foot, turtles, mafia, and mutants. I assume after Shredder's murder of splinter cost everyone there lives I assume Tigerclaw leaves the foot to start up his own mutant army.

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    • And I assume after the Turtles go back in time to change history in outer space I assume Leonardo insults Shredder's personality. I assume Karai will stay as mutant snake and save Leonardo from being killed. And I assume Leo and Karai share their first kiss after he revives her with his healing hands technique. 

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    • According to Peter Dicicco's Tumblr. Season 4 now has 26 episodes. http://peterdicicco.tumblr.com/

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    • Well, it seems to be official—Nick TMNT is now grade A free-range horse crap that none of my good friends who are TMNT fans want anything to do with anymore. I mean, it had a great first two seasons, but every new press release and every new episode seems to make the show even worse than it had already gotten. As it is, none of us are looking forward to season 4, and fully expect it to be terrible. I mean, there are rare good moments in the series, but they're too rare and too fleeting. Trying to remain a fan of this show is like being in an abusive relationship with someone who knows how to charm you just enough to make you smile for five seconds, but then neglects you and disrespects you the rest of the time.

      I'd heard that this problem isn't unique to TMNT though. Nickelodeon as a network has been in recent decline, with all their shows getting worse. They want people's money (and get plenty of it), but they don't respect their own shows, and they don't respect their audience as anything but a cash cow to peddle increasingly crappy merchandise onto. Some of their competitors, Discovery Family and Disney XD, are still managing to create merchandise-tied shows that are actually well-made with compelling stories, characters, writing, etc. Nickelodeon has not just become boring—they no longer seem to care at all.

      So, my friends who are TMNT fans are still TMNT fans, but now they're mostly into the comics, which are still pretty good. The Nick TMNT show has become such a piece of crap that none of them even want to discuss it anymore—it's just so bad now. It didn't have to be this way.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8 Sorry guys, spoiler alert.... So, click at your own risk.


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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      http://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/news/nycc-confirms-master-splinters-fate/?utm_content=buffer39fc8 Sorry guys, spoiler alert.... So, click at your own risk.

      Come on Splinter can't be dead as long as the Turtles return 6 months in time to collect the Heart of Darkness pieces.

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    • All without being allowed to settle into a life with Miwa in it.

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    • Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.

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    • Idk what to say.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.

      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.

      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.
      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.

      Speculations? The link I posted earlier CONFIRMS it.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.
      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.
      Speculations? The link I posted earlier CONFIRMS it.


      Don't trust Nick so much,they could be just trolling us,like this one time when Ciro said that Irma will be Mikey's crush.

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    • Well According to Peter Dicicco's tumblr. Season 4 will now have 26 episodes instead of just 20. That's why they had a longer hiatus this month.

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    • Some things occurred to me, gradually, after reading those spoilers in that link.

      Are we to believe that now the show suddenly cares about long-term character development and growth, after they spent most of season 3 making it painfully clear they don't really care about it?

      And another thing. Dealing with the permanent death of a loved one could make for some good character development if handled well. But that's part of the process of growing up, and this series keeps the characters artificially fixed to the same age they were when the show started three years ago. Annihilation Earth demonstrated that, indeed, 1 season = 1 year in-universe. But if that's true, the turtles should now be about 18 years old, not still 15 years old (as Mikey indicated in The Croaking). If they're going to be 15 forever, what's the point of writing storylines about personal growth?

      This entire thing smells fishy to me.

      They really should age into their adulthood and into their 20s, then the T.M.N.T. can still be the Twentysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles, before they become the Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles. Not until they turn 40 will they become the F.M.N.T.—the Fortysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well According to Peter Dicicco's tumblr. Season 4 will now have 26 episodes instead of just 20. That's why they had a longer hiatus this month.

      Dude, every season has had 26 episodes.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well According to Peter Dicicco's tumblr. Season 4 will now have 26 episodes instead of just 20. That's why they had a longer hiatus this month.
      Dude, every season has had 26 episodes.

      Oh, but I only said that because it said at first that we were only gonna have 20 episodes the 4th season.

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    • I will say this one thing though.  They better bring Splinter and Miwa back by the mid season 4 finale because I am sick of these creators dragging out that plotline!!!

      Also, I find it very hard to believe that Splinter and everyone on Earth is actually dead for good on this show.  Because let's face it.  Why would the creators drag the Splinter and Miwa plotline over two seasons if they're just gonna shrug at one point and say "You know what?  Let's just abruptly end this plotline by killing Splinter, Miwa, and every single character that lives on Earth."

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      I will say this one thing though.  They better bring Splinter and Miwa back by the mid season 4 finale because I am sick of these creators dragging out that plotline!!!

      Also, I find it very hard to believe that Splinter and everyone on Earth is actually dead for good on this show.  Because let's face it.  Why would the creators drag the Splinter and Miwa plotline over two seasons if they're just gonna shrug at one point and say "You know what?  Let's just abruptly end this plotline by killing Splinter, Miwa, and every single character that lives on Earth."

      They just said they were killing Splinter, not every character on the show, I still want to see Miwa reunited with her true family sometime. Except maybe she can help the turtles and April with their training now, just a thought.

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    • But obviously, they haven't said anything about Miwa yet.

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    • I just want to see Splinter be reunited with his daughter again!  And I don't mean in Heaven!

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    • Well, one thing's for certain. If they ever get their lair back, at least we don't have to wonder "Where's Karai going to sleep?" A bedroom just opened up.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, one thing's for certain. If they ever get their lair back, at least we don't have to wonder "Where's Karai going to sleep?" A bedroom just opened up.

      Yeah.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      I just want to see Splinter be reunited with his daughter again!  And I don't mean in Heaven!

      I do too... but if it's her brothers that's alright too. Isn't it?

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.
      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.
      Speculations? The link I posted earlier CONFIRMS it.

      Don't trust Nick so much,they could be just trolling us,like this one time when Ciro said that Irma will be Mikey's crush.

      Exactly, we cant trust their word if they've gone back on it before! They could just be saying that so that when we least expect it, it happens.

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.
      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.
      Speculations? The link I posted earlier CONFIRMS it.

      Don't trust Nick so much,they could be just trolling us,like this one time when Ciro said that Irma will be Mikey's crush.
      Exactly, we cant trust their word if they've gone back on it before! They could just be saying that so that when we least expect it, it happens.

      Yea,i can't imagine the show without our beloved Sensei. :(

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      I just want to see Splinter be reunited with his daughter again!  And I don't mean in Heaven!
      I do too... but if it's her brothers that's alright too. Isn't it?

      No it isn't alright!  Because the family will never be complete without Splinter!  Just like it would never be complete without Miwa!

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Many fans wanted Splinter alive in Season 4 and Season 5.
      Well yeah! That was too tragic for the season 3 finale! Something has to be done! I believe that the Fugitoid possesses the ability to reverse time and undo certain events, so maybe he can save Splinter.
      Dude,do you clicked the link i posted here?There are speculations that Splinter may be dead for good.
      Speculations? The link I posted earlier CONFIRMS it.

      Don't trust Nick so much,they could be just trolling us,like this one time when Ciro said that Irma will be Mikey's crush.
      Exactly, we cant trust their word if they've gone back on it before! They could just be saying that so that when we least expect it, it happens.
      Yea,i can't imagine the show without our beloved Sensei. :(

      Let's hope it's not true though.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, one thing's for certain. If they ever get their lair back, at least we don't have to wonder "Where's Karai going to sleep?" A bedroom just opened up.

      That is just wrong.  And I'm pretty sure that if Miwa slept in the same room Splinter slept in, she would be constantly reminded of how she never got to know her real father just like how she never got to know her mother.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      I just want to see Splinter be reunited with his daughter again!  And I don't mean in Heaven!
      I do too... but if it's her brothers that's alright too. Isn't it?
      No it isn't!  Because the family will never be complete without Splinter!  Just like it would never be complete without Miwa!

      Ok, ok, guys... I feel you, and I pray to god that they are just trying to surprise us.

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    • What really sucks is that we have to wait 6 months at least to see if any of this happens.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, one thing's for certain. If they ever get their lair back, at least we don't have to wonder "Where's Karai going to sleep?" A bedroom just opened up.

      That is just wrong.  And I'm pretty sure that if Miwa slept in the same room Splinter slept in, she would be constantly reminded of how she never got to know her real father just like how she never got to know her mother.

      Maybe you're right. I'm pretty sure Donnie already sleeps in his lab (all his personal stuff is there, and he probably has a roll-out to sleep on), what with one of the four "bedrooms" actually being a bathroom, so that leaves either Leo, Raph or Mikey to get Splinter's room. And since Raph and Mikey have bedrooms with a lot of character (also they have actually been seen), it seems most logical for Leo to move into Splinter's room. Of course, if Leo and Karai were to ever fall mutually in love and eventually become husband and wife, they might have to sleep somewhere else if Karai can't sleep in there. This is assuming Leo doesn't eventually choose someone else who comes into his life later, like a Radical, an Usagi or a Sadao. :)

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    • M3

      I like to see the 2012 turtles meets the 2003 turtles

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    • Who wants Splinter and Karai back in Season 4?

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Who wants Splinter and Karai back in Season 4?

      I do. And have Karai back with them already.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Who wants Splinter and Karai back in Season 4?
      I do. And have Karai back with them already.

      So do I!

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    • M3 wrote:
      I like to see the 2012 turtles meets the 2003 turtles

      Highly unlikely considering that 4Kids is history.

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    • Well, 4Kids does exist as a post-bankruptcy-restructured company, 4Licensing Corporation (sounds positively soulless, doesn't it XD). So technically, yes, there's still an entity to do business with.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, 4Kids does exist as a post-bankruptcy-restructured company, 4Licensing Corporation (sounds positively soulless, doesn't it XD). So technically, yes, there's still an entity to do business with.

      Even so, I still doubt another crossover with the 2003 turtles will be possible.

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    • I don't care enough about 2K3 anyway. I prefer the Mirage comics turtles. :)

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    • You know what I would really like to see in Season 4 or 5 at some point?  When the turtles get Splinter and Miwa back, (which won't happen until the mid season finale at least) and they go and fight Shredder, Miwa bashes on Shredder's mindless quest for vengeance, and explains why he was such a horrible father to her and why she doesn't want to have anything to do with him or the Foot Clan anymore.

      Basically, she tells him that he stole away a life with her mother from her, gave her a horrible childhood filled with lies, refuses to admit responsibility for any pain he put her through, and took away her free will to try to force her into staining her hands with the blood of her real family, who have shown nothing but love, care, and affection to her.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      You know what I would really like to see in Season 4 or 5 at some point?  When the turtles get Splinter and Miwa back, (which won't happen until the mid season finale at least) and they go and fight Shredder, Miwa bashes on Shredder's mindless quest for vengeance, and explains why he was such a horrible father to her and why she doesn't want to have anything to do with him or the Foot Clan anymore.

      Basically, she tells him that he stole away a life with her mother from her, gave her a horrible childhood filled with lies, refuses to admit responsibility for any pain he put her through, and took away her free will to try to force her into staining her hands with the blood of her real family, who have shown nothing but love, care, and affection to her.

      Same here.

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    • We wish for a lot of good things in this series, but rarely do we actually get it. It seems to me that, the better a plot development would be, the less likely we'll actually see it.

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    • We better see Karai back on the side of the turtles, with her family, friends with April. If not, someone at Nick is gonna get hurt.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      We better see Karai back on the side of the turtles, with her family, friends with April. If not, someone at Nick is gonna get hurt.

      Ditto.  I can't believe they finally gave her a somewhat happy ending for the first time in forever in The Fourfold Trap, and 3 episodes later, the creators destory Earth and throw another plotline in our faces.  Bull-crap!

      They better not ignore Miwa and Splinter for the entire season!

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      We better see Karai back on the side of the turtles, with her family, friends with April. If not, someone at Nick is gonna get hurt.
      Ditto.  I can't believe they finally gave her a somewhat happy ending for the first time in forever in The Fourfold Trap, and 3 episodes later, the creators destory Earth and throw another plotline in our faces.  Bull-crap!

      They better not ignore Miwa and Splinter for the entire season!

      I have a feeling they will ignore Splinter and Karai.

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    • Of course they'll ignore them. Since season 3, I've come to a rule of thumb about this series. If a plot development is in any way well-written, it's probably not going to happen. But if an idea is terrible, we're more likely to see it. This was a pretty good series in the first two seasons, but since they've merrily turned it into a cringeworthy train wreck of a show.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Of course they'll ignore them. Since season 3, I've come to a rule of thumb about this series. If a plot development is in any way well-written, it's probably not going to happen. But if an idea is terrible, we're more likely to see it. This was a pretty good series in the first two seasons, but since they've merrily turned it into a cringeworthy train wreck of a show.

      Please shut up.

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    • Yeah, I know... Sorry. I've become cynical. This used to be one of my favorite TV shows. There's still so much about this show that I love, but very little of that has happened within the past season. Now I'd like to say I don't care, but I still kinda do. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be so critical of the show's problems. As a fan, I've become very, very disappointed. I really, really wish this show hadn't gotten so much worse.

      Now, if season 4 actually turns out to be good (and I mean as good as season 1 or 2, with actual decent writing and character development), I'd like to be the first to say so. I just don't have enough faith left in the show to expect that to happen anymore.

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    • If what we want to happen doesn't happen, I swear I'm gonna start breaking bones.

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    • I have a question for you alD; What do you think the turtles will be doing while in space?

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    • That's the thing! I know DPfanboy may have thought I was being too negative, but I don't think I would have responded the way I did if I didn't sense that other people were genuinely afraid the show would keep ignoring characters. My "rule of thumb" may be cuttingly cynical, but most of the time anymore I feel like that's exactly what's going to happen.

      I know that, at my age, I'm older than the show's target audience, and the show acknowledges viewers like me as a peripheral audience at best. But that said, it seems to me like this show is not growing with the audience it actually targets. Instead, it keeps shifting the target age a bit younger, and a bit younger. And the reason for that seems painfully obvious: It's targeting the audience most likely to buy toys, and abandoning the audience that has aged into a demographic less likely to buy those toys. In this sense, the show is adopting some of the worst elements that plagued the 1987 TV series.

      So of course they're going to quietly drop plotlines and character developments, because they're not necessarily going to expect their core audience to have been watching longer than just a year or so, and their older peripheral audiences (including everyone 13 and over, which includes everyone able to edit Turtlepedia) really aren't the audiences they expect to profit from anyway.

      Sad thing is, it doesn't have to be this way. There are plenty of merchandise-driven properties on other channels that maintain a good quality of production, writing and character development as well as a respect for their peripheral audiences (My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic and its adult male brony viewers come most to mind), and still manage to sell their toys. But lately, it seems like Nickelodeon as a whole has been struck with a kind of network decay, where they're really just phoning it in and don't really seem to care anymore. It's almost as if they'll do only what it takes to make their revenue target, and seem more interested in doing it as cheaply (in quality) as possible, cutting all sorts of corners with only a few brief hiccups of real quality. They used to do a better job than this.

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    • I am gonna simply say this. DPfanboy was in the wrong on telling Gilgameshkun to shut up. That was not good at all. So what if Gilga didn't like the third season? He is free to express his point of view and opinions regardless, and you all should respect his opinion, whether you agree with him or not. There is nothing wrong with someone saying something you don't like. If he wants to be cynical, let him be. It won't hurt you.

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    • Flamerstreak: This is my phoned-in answer. The plan has them spending the next 13 episodes (half the season) in space. They'll meet Salamandarians, face more Triceratons, and so forth. And since Honeycutt's a time traveler, they'll travel back in time to somehow undo the destruction of the earth. They'll be able to save just about everyone but Splinter, and they may or may not ever save Karai.

      Oh, and they'll wear space suits that aren't airtight and don't actually cover all their skin, so they should be getting massive purple hickeys wherever the vacuum of space touches them. But they won't, because this is the same cartoon where Zog went insane because Earth's atmosphere had oxygen instead of nitrogen. And other 3rd grade science failures on from there.

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    • Thanks, Gilga. I hope you saw my other post defending you.

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    • Nickelodeon better not fool us! Many fans want Splinter and Karai back.

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    • I personally think Nick won't kill of Splinter and Miwa for good.  Simply because they're both some of the show's most beloved characters.  She's one of my favorite characters!  The way I see it, killing off Miwa and Splinter would drop their ratings to below one million.  Most of the fandom would probably abandon the show.

      I agree with how this show seems to rely on merchandise.  In fact, that's the reason they keep taking one month hiatuses!  They spend half their time on the damn toys!!!  They're probably also helping Michael Bay make his piece of crap sequel right now!  (PS, screw you, Michael Bay!)

      Still, the fact that they had Splinter die in the season 3 finale gives me hope that Nick isn't completely ignoring their older audience.  Why would they add something so dark and tragic if they're only appealing to the children demographics?

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    • Exactly, DP! They can make dark and tragic events happen, but this is a children's show. Having Splinter or Miwa die for good would make things too dark for the series, and as this is meant for children, I doubt they would want to go far in doing that. I do believe they will have Miwa and Splinter saved instead of just die. Plus, like you said, way too many fans would be ticked off if they did die permanently.

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      Exactly, DP! They can make dark and tragic events happen, but this is a children's show. Having Splinter or Miwa die for good would make things too dark for the series, and as this is meant for children, I doubt they would want to go far in doing that. I do believe they will have Miwa and Splinter saved instead of just die. Plus, like you said, way too many fans would be ticked off if they did die permanently.

      And together again as well.  Because I know a lot of fans have been waiting for that too.

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    • Flamerstreak: Well, to be frank...seasons 1 and 2 were wonderful. They were funny, but the core characters still seemed like realistic teenagers for once with worries and angsts and hormones and all that. And Splinter was great as an ever-involved disciplinarian dad with a few awkward moments of his own. And the show seemed to have promise to be a decent action-comedy-sitcom-drama with compelling storylines that made you feel things and wonder how they were going to develop these plots. And not only that, the voice acting and character animation could be truly excellent and full of subtle expression, so that just like in live acting, you could pick up as much from characters' body language as you could from their words alone.

      In this view, the were lots of good episodes, but the truly great episodes were the ones like It Came From The Depths, The Alien Agenda, Karai's Vendetta, Showdown (both parts), The Mutation Situation, Slash and Destroy, Of Rats and Men, Mazes & Mutants, The Wrath of Tiger Claw, Vengeance is Mine, Into Dimension X! and The Invasion (both parts).

      But with the start of season 3, things started to go rapidly downhill. The North Hampton arc (from Within the Woods to the beginning of Return to New York wasn't the worst thing ever (like some of my friends would call it), but it seemed to lose what made Northampton arcs of the past so great—healing, family and reconnecting with life. This series made it feel more like a frat house vacation, or as my friend called it, "The Real World: North Hampton". It could have been a great opportunity for much more profound character development and growth. Instead, not only did they not seem to grow up much, but it was during this arc that they revealed that the characters were still 15 years old after turning 15 over two years before. It wasn't a good omen. Now, there were some episodes better than others, like Donnie baring his soul to April in A Foot Too Big, and the surprisingly good Eyes of the Chimera written by Greg Weisman, and Vision Quest certainly could have been a lot worse than it was. But more than not, it felt like a wasted arc and a wasted opportunity.

      We hoped it would get better with Return to New York, and that episode wasn't terrible. But then with all the promise of introducing the new Bebop and Rocksteady, I was surprised by how I so quickly got sick of them once they became just more of the same generic mooks of the Shredder and stopped having any real character development. The last truly good episode was Battle for New York, Part 1 and Part 2, but even that had a lot of problems, and the only real character development happened among the Mutanimals. What we didn't know was that that would be the last real character development among the Mutanimals.

      Then came the "WTF" moment in Casey Jones VS. The Underworld when they moved back into their no-longer-secret lair after the Kraang had so messily invaded it and there was no guarantee whatsoever that the Kraang hadn't passed along its location to the Foot Clan. The TMNT multiverse has a long history of the main family abandoning home after home when it is exposed to their archenemies, and it's terrible ninjutsu to permanently return to any of them. That episode also wasn't that good of a Casey episode.

      The Noxious Avenger was a mostly a waste of screen time, with its only real saving grace being the amusing subplot of the turtles being grounded by Splinter and trying to sneak past him.

      But the real disappointment was Clash of the Mutanimals, where the once gingerly-written long-term plot between Raph and Slash came to its lowest, most wasted moments. It became obvious that Raph's character development had drastically simplified, and Slash no longer had much depth at all anymore. The best thing about this otherwise bad episode was the brief scene where Raph worries and frets over Slash's welfare, which involved a rich burst of body language. And after that...nothing, ever again.

      From here, I didn't expect to find anything to like in Meet Mondo Gecko. And, true to that expectation, neither Mikey nor Casey had much more of a role than tag-along as designated window dressing. It was also perfectly clear now that Casey had completely failed in his character's role as a foil for Raph, and actually functioned more believably as Mikey's entourage. But it was a little interesting in how compelling Jason's backstory was, and how it touched on the very serious and heartbreaking topic of youth homelessness and exploitation.

      The Deadly Venom wasn't...bad. The Healing Hand aspect as actually rather interesting. But Karai's role in the story already started to feel old and tired, and ended only with more viewer frustration.

      And then there's Turtles in Time...the worst episode of the entire series so far. Though I always thought Mikey had the best personal chemistry with Leatherhead, I was willing to give him and Renet a chance. But what followed was one of the most shallow, vapid, character-derailing "plots" ever vomited up. It not only made Mikey a less interesting, less sympathetic character, but it also virtually guaranteed that this version of Renet would never have any meaningful character development at all, and existed mainly as a very cheap continuation of the Greg Cipes-Ashley Johnson meme at Nickelodeon.

      After that, I hoped for a better episode in Tale of the Yokai. And it wasn't......bad, per se. The problem was, it wasn't actually good, either. It was a straightforward, no-surprises, no-twists account of Tang Shen's death. The only slightly amusing part was Mikey's Caramelldansen scene. And the worst part was the revelation that everything that happens with the Time Scepter was meant to be, which also implied that Mikey and Renet meeting and falling in love was pre-ordained. So combined with how much of an abortion the previous episode was, it meant the show had pulled off a romance arc that managed to be worse than Twilight. WORSE. THAN. TWILIGHT.

      Attack of the Mega Shredder! wasn't bad, but also had the problem of not necessarily being all that wonderful either. Its nods to Attack on Titan were a little good, at least. But it was also painfully obvious that the production had deeply slashed the budget on 3D rendering, with some of the worst-looking 3D building renders I'd ever seen in this series.

      The Creeping Doom was...bad. I can't mince words on that—it was a bad episode. The plot began with smart Donnie making the extremely stupid decision to put fragile dangerous objects on a rickety shelf around a reckless little brother, and we're supposed to be surprised he knocked it down? And this was all before Donnie lost his intelligence. And Raph had some pretty dumb schmuck-bait moments himself. I also noticed how remarkably empty and soulless April and Splinter seemed in this episode, and it actually gave me a sense of uncanny valley to see their parts.

      The Fourfold Trap was good for one reason, and one reason only: It gave Splinter one more opportunity to be completely badass. But the episode also drove home the impression that the turtles are actually pretty incompetent. They keep getting themselves in trouble, and need someone else to get them out of it. Splinter came out on top, but his sons' character development suffered.

      Dinosaur Seen in Sewers! had its own share of problems. Raph not only comes across as an exploitative, manipulative jerk, but it is again painfully aware that the show had completely forgotten what made the Raph-Slash plot so great—the two of them actually worrying about each other and appearing affected by each other on a regular basis. Strangely, the good part of the episode was when Zog explained to the turtles just how much of a failure they've been as heroes, because for the first time in a long time it had the (possibly unintended) effect of making the show seem self-aware. Zog's accusations were right, and he came off as having the moral high ground, with the turtles coming off worse than ever. I mean, that's until Zog's conclusion was that the Earth must be destroyed, but still.

      Annihilation Earth! was a mixed bag. I know a lot of friends who instantly loathed this version of Bishop for having nothing in common with 2K3's Agent Bishop, but I actually didn't see it that way, as I saw him more as an expy of the Bishop character from the Alien films. So he wasn't all that bad. And for the first time in a whole season, Kraang Subprime got some actual character development, and a glimpse into his background and motivations. ...and then he died. And strangely, one of Mikey's funniest moments in the entire series was also one of his worst moments as a character—his time in the mind-sucking machine. As great as that acid sequence and its aftermath was, it also seemed to demonstrate that Mikey really is exactly as shallow a character as he seems, what with him having nothing near and dear to him but pizza. Not only did they not find thoughts of his family or loved ones, but even Renet (his supposed meant-to-be love interest as ordained by the Time Scepter) was completely absent. When Splinter was mowed down by Shredder, it was an unusually intense scene that gave the Shredder his richest character development moment in a long time, and was one of the only times in this series we can hear a character sobbing. Bebop and Rocksteady had a brief glimpse of character development before being sucked into the black hole. And the Earth destruction sequence was a feast of special effects, some of which even seemed to acknowledge some of the more obscure scientific principles of black holes and massive gravity wells in general, such as time slowing down, and how gravity rips objects apart, though they still went with the less realistic route of the black hole looking like a literal hole that open and closes like a sci-fi TV worm hole rather than more realistically being a black dot of complete gravitational collapse. And then came Casey's line at the end of the episode, and it's hard to imagine a worse way they could have ended that episode.

      And that, in a (very long) nut shell, is my problem with season 3. It's a season that has left me feeling burned and betrayed as a fan, and not optimistic for season 4.

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    • Oh, and DPfanboy, Flamerstreak: They already announced that Splinter's death was permanent and he won't be coming back even if they go back in time and save the Earth. They were quite clear that they're being very deliberate about that.

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    • Where did they say this, Gilga?

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    • This also means Splinter and Miwa will never be reunited alive.

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    • I see. That sucks. But what about Miwa/Karai? That article did not say much of anything about her.

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    • But they didn't say Karai or any of the other characters were dead for good, so there's hope for them. I can imagine they will stop Earth's destruction from happening. So I think there's a chance that Karai will join them. A theory I have though, since Splinter did tell Shredder that she vanished from the city, (Or more likely, Earth.) I think either the Triceratons or the Utroms may have her. So she may appear in the space arc too and may not have been on Earth when it was destroyed. Sorry but I think that the fact that Splinter said she "Vanished from the city" is foreshadowing something. Isn't it kinda odd that she just Up and Vanished?

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    • I hate disappointed/angry fans. Splinter has to make an appearance in season 4.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      I hate disappointed/angry fans. Splinter has to make an appearance in season 4.


      Hey, I am not angry! I even understand why they did that. I just feel immobilized from slight, but nowhere-near-intense-or-even-average sadness.

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    • You know, there wouldn't be disappointed/angry fans, if creators of shows would stop doing stuff like this to them.

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    • I just feel in general that this show really, really doesn't respect itself anymore. It hasn't been taking its own plot and character developments seriously enough.

      I also realized something else at the time—just as Nickelodeon Shredder was killing of Splinter, IDW Splinter was killing off Shredder. Now Nick TMNT has no more Splinter, and IDW TMNT has no more Shredder.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      You know, there wouldn't be disappointed/angry fans, if creators of shows would stop doing stuff like this to them.

      Maybe you're right. We all wish that Splinter would make an appearance in season 4.

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    • So, aside from Gilga, who else is excited for the new season, despite Splinter's fate?

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      So, aside from Gilga, who else is excited for the new season, despite Splinter's fate?

      I do! We should prove Nickelodeon and the creators wrong.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Flamerstreak wrote:
      So, aside from Gilga, who else is excited for the new season, despite Splinter's fate?
      I do! We should prove Nickelodeon and the creators wrong.


      Good to see another one excited, but what will that do (proving them wrong)? It is not like it will bring back Splinter. Or is it something else you meant?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Oh, and DPfanboy, Flamerstreak: They already announced that Splinter's death was permanent and he won't be coming back even if they go back in time and save the Earth. They were quite clear that they're being very deliberate about that.

      I find this very hard to believe, because the creators of this show have never had any long-term plans for characters or their developments since forever!  One other guy on this website says that the creators are just trying to surprise us.  Splinter is one of the show's most important characters and he's also a highly-loved character.  He's just as important as the turtles are!  Killing him off permanently would be like killing off one of the turtles!

      This is why I believe Nick is lying!

      BTW, did that article in the link you posted really say that one of the faults of Splinter and his character is that he doesn't get much action?!  If so, that is just stupid!  If he fought in every episode, the turtles would win every time!  Splinter is basically the God-mode of this show!  There is a reason someone as strong and skilled as Splinter doesn't fight in every episode!  Plus, action isn't everything in this show!

      Plus, if Splinter is dead for good, who is gonna kill Shredder?!  The turtles?!  Well, good luck with that!  Because we've seen them try to do that several times and they haven't even made him say ow!  Considering how OP Shredder is, the only one who can kill him is Splinter!

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Oh, and DPfanboy, Flamerstreak: They already announced that Splinter's death was permanent and he won't be coming back even if they go back in time and save the Earth. They were quite clear that they're being very deliberate about that.
      I find this very hard to believe, because the creators of this show have never had any long-term plans for characters or their developments since forever!  One other guy on this website says that the creators are just trying to surprise us.  Splinter is one of the show's most important characters and he's also a highly-loved character.  He's just as important as the turtles are!  Killing him off permanently would be like killing off one of the turtles!

      This is why I believe Nick is lying!

      BTW, did that article in the link you posted really say that one of the faults of Splinter and his character is that he doesn't get much action?!  If so, that is just stupid!  If he fought in every episode, the turtles would win every time!  Splinter is basically the God-mode of this show!  There is a reason someone as strong and skilled as Splinter doesn't fight in every episode!  Plus, action isn't everything in this show!

      Plus, if Splinter is dead for good, who is gonna kill Shredder?!  The turtles?!  Well, good luck with that!  Because we've seen them try to do that several times and they haven't even made him say ow!  Considering how OP Shredder is, the only one who can kill him is Splinter!

      They must train harder then. This is why I want to see Karai reunited with them so badly. She can help them with that. So can all their other friends.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Oh, and DPfanboy, Flamerstreak: They already announced that Splinter's death was permanent and he won't be coming back even if they go back in time and save the Earth. They were quite clear that they're being very deliberate about that.
      I find this very hard to believe, because the creators of this show have never had any long-term plans for characters or their developments since forever!  One other guy on this website says that the creators are just trying to surprise us.  Splinter is one of the show's most important characters and he's also a highly-loved character.  He's just as important as the turtles are!  Killing him off permanently would be like killing off one of the turtles!

      This is why I believe Nick is lying!

      BTW, did that article in the link you posted really say that one of the faults of Splinter and his character is that he doesn't get much action?!  If so, that is just stupid!  If he fought in every episode, the turtles would win every time!  Splinter is basically the God-mode of this show!  There is a reason someone as strong and skilled as Splinter doesn't fight in every episode!  Plus, action isn't everything in this show!

      Plus, if Splinter is dead for good, who is gonna kill Shredder?!  The turtles?!  Well, good luck with that!  Because we've seen them try to do that several times and they haven't even made him say ow!  Considering how OP Shredder is, the only one who can kill him is Splinter!


      I believe the turtles can beat Shredder. They'll just have to train until they are ready. It will be tough, but they can defeat him. I have been longing to see that kind of fight happen.

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    • The turtles and their friends can't live without a sensei or a father.

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Oh, and DPfanboy, Flamerstreak: They already announced that Splinter's death was permanent and he won't be coming back even if they go back in time and save the Earth. They were quite clear that they're being very deliberate about that.
      I find this very hard to believe, because the creators of this show have never had any long-term plans for characters or their developments since forever!  One other guy on this website says that the creators are just trying to surprise us.  Splinter is one of the show's most important characters and he's also a highly-loved character.  He's just as important as the turtles are!  Killing him off permanently would be like killing off one of the turtles!

      This is why I believe Nick is lying!

      BTW, did that article in the link you posted really say that one of the faults of Splinter and his character is that he doesn't get much action?!  If so, that is just stupid!  If he fought in every episode, the turtles would win every time!  Splinter is basically the God-mode of this show!  There is a reason someone as strong and skilled as Splinter doesn't fight in every episode!  Plus, action isn't everything in this show!

      Plus, if Splinter is dead for good, who is gonna kill Shredder?!  The turtles?!  Well, good luck with that!  Because we've seen them try to do that several times and they haven't even made him say ow!  Considering how OP Shredder is, the only one who can kill him is Splinter!


      I believe the turtles can beat Shredder. They'll just have to train until they are ready. It will be tough, but they can defeat him. I have been longing to see that kind of fight happen.

      Yes, that's the fight I feel they need Karai's help with.

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    • Let me tell you something, okay?

      They cannot train themselves to become better ninjas without a master!!!  You cannot teach yourself how to do a martial art, especially one as complex as Ninjutsu, all by yourself!!!  If you want to do a new move, you need an experienced teacher to show you how to do it!!!  How are they supposed to learn new moves if they don't have someone who can show them how to do it properly!

      BTW, Karai can't help the turtles with their training because she is only a year older then them!  They need Splinter to become stronger!

      Sorry about all the exclamation points.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Let me tell you something, okay?

      They cannot train themselves to become better ninjas without a master!!!  You cannot teach yourself how to do a martial art, especially one as complex as Ninjutsu, all by yourself!!!  If you want to do a new move, you need an experienced teacher to show you how to do it!!!  How are they supposed to learn new moves if they don't have someone who can show them how to do it properly!

      BTW, Karai can't help the turtles with their training because she is only a year older then them!  They need Splinter to become stronger!

      Sorry about all the exclamation points.

      That's all right. XD We all want Splinter back. That's a lot of exclamation points you got there. XD

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    • Something else had occurred to me, after reading that article. And I may have mentioned it before, but now it's buried in history.

      The creators claimed that Splinter's death is an opportunity for the main characters to learn how to live with death.

      And I was thinking, this would be a good chance for the characters to grow up more. But how can they do that if the show keeps them perpetually 15 years old year after year? XD

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:

      Yes, that's the fight I feel they need Karai's help with.

      Anything to help would be good. They'd possibly need all the help they can get. Also, DPfanboy, they'll find a way to get better to the point that they can battle the Shredder. They can find a way, even without Splinter.

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    • Plus, I believe at least half the fans will be pissed off if they keep Splinter dead permanently.  And if there's one thing I've learned from history, it's that a lot of pissed off fans can really make a show or franchise change their decisions.

      Take Halloween 3 for example.  When that film diverted from the Michael Myers plotline, a lot of fans were angry with the film and screamed at Hollywood to bring back Michael Myers.  They did in Halloween 4 and even the opening title was a message to the fans.  You know what it said?

      Halloween 4

      Michael Myers is back.

      Happy, now?

      So I believe it's only a matter of time until Splinter returns.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      The turtles and their friends can't live without a sensei or a father.

      Neither can Miwa!  She grew up without her mother, and now she's just supposed to grow up without even knowing her real father as well?  Oh, hell no!!!

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    • I'm guessing we'll wait for Turtles in Space to be done in episode 13 of season 4 and Splinter will make his appearance there.

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:

      Yes, that's the fight I feel they need Karai's help with.

      Anything to help would be good. They'd possibly need all the help they can get. Also, DPfanboy, they'll find a way to get better to the point that they can battle the Shredder. They can find a way, even without Splinter.

      Have you even watched the Turtle's fights against Shredder?!  They can barely hit him at all, and any hits they do make on him don't even hurt him!  Sure Leo seems to be doing a bit better then his brothers but that hasn't made much of a difference!  At the progress they're making, it'll take them 3 decades to have even a sliver of a chance at defeating him!

      Plus, that guy fought off the Turtles and the Mutanimals without even breaking a sweat, and he survived getting tossed around and bit by Leatherhead!

      Even if Miwa fought against him, he would see every move coming since he taught her everything he knows!  She needs Splinter, and so do the Turtles!  He is the closest thing to a perfect teacher!

      And it's really hard to be a teacher, you know!

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    • So if the Earth's back to normal without Splinter, they could summon Renet to return back to stop Shredder from killing Splinter.

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    • Finally, here's one reason killing off Splinter for good wouldn't be good for this show.  It would mean Shredder would lose his character!  Now that he's killed Splinter, what is he gonna do now?  It's like Splinter said in the season one finale, if Shredder killed Splinter, he would have nothing left to live for!  Except maybe Miwa, but she would never go back to him, especially when she finds out what he's done to her real father!  He did try to kill the turtles, but that was only so he can get Splinter to face him!

      Long story short, if we have no Splinter, we have no Shredder.

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    • I know this may not sound like good sense to you, DP, but first off, it is possible to survive without a master/father/mother or whatever, and that can be temporalily or permanently. I have seen plenty of fiction where this is done. Plus, even if the Turtles do not become total masters by the time they face Shredder, they don't need to. The turtles may be the underdogs, but even as such, they can still beat the Shredder. You know there are stories where the underdog comes out on top, even when against a powerful opponent. They just need to find a way to get better, and they can do it with out Splinter beating them, despite what you said about Shredder. Where there's a will, there's a way. Shredder may still be more than a match for them, but they can find a way to get the strength and skill they need to fight and defeat Shredder. Shredder may be powerful, but he isn't really god powerful, despite what he has handled in the past.

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    • Though I wish Renet would make her appearances in Season 4.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Flamerstreak wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:

      Yes, that's the fight I feel they need Karai's help with.

      Anything to help would be good. They'd possibly need all the help they can get. Also, DPfanboy, they'll find a way to get better to the point that they can battle the Shredder. They can find a way, even without Splinter.
      Have you even watched the Turtle's fights against Shredder?!  They can barely hit him at all, and any hits they do make on him don't even hurt him!  Sure Leo seems to be doing a bit better then his brothers but that hasn't made much of a difference!  At the progress they're making, it'll take them 3 decades to have even a sliver of a chance at defeating him!

      Plus, that guy fought off the Turtles and the Mutanimals without even breaking a sweat, and he survived getting tossed around and bit by Leatherhead!

      Even if Miwa fought against him, he would see every move coming since he taught her everything he knows!  She needs Splinter, and so do the Turtles!  He is the closest thing to a perfect teacher!

      And it's really hard to be a teacher, you know!

      Not even the Mighty Mutanimals can't beat Shredder. The fans couldn't take it, they want Splinter in season 4.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote: So if the Earth's back to normal without Splinter, they could summon Renet to return back to stop Shredder from killing Splinter.

      They will travel back in time, but this time the time traveler is Dr. Honeycutt. One of my friends said point blank, "Why did they even need Renet at all?"

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    • Say, Gilga, I know you don't care about Season 4, but what do you think of Julian and DP's thoughts on needing Splinter?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote: So if the Earth's back to normal without Splinter, they could summon Renet to return back to stop Shredder from killing Splinter.

      They will travel back in time, but this time the time traveler is Dr. Honeycutt. One of my friends said point blank, "Why did they even need Renet at all?"

      You should know Renet and Fugitoid are both time-travelers. Mikey loves Renet.

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    • Correction: Mikey loves Renet when it was plot-convenient, and their time together was very poorly written, more like a romantic plot tumor. But then the plot promptly forgot all about her. The show has gotten a lot less consistent with characterization in general.

      Anyway, the best part of the Renet plot was when Raph said, "I hope we never see her again." XD All my TMNT adult fan friends were unanimous in their loathing of this version of Renet. Other versions of Renet (Mirage, IDW) have been okay. But 2K12's introduction of Renet was a disaster that the show would do better either never showing again, or completely retooling/rewriting so as not to be such a vapid plot tumor.

      And it wouldn't necessarily be hard to rewrite Renet either: They can just encounter an alternate universe version of her instead, and have another shot at developing her. Fictional time travel loves to create parallel universes. :)

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    • Well, in "Tale of the Yokai," Renet wanted to make sure the turtles' sensei, Splinter, survives. But it could be unknown that Renet will be watching over them. What if Renet or Bishop's utroms rescued Splinter during the earth's annihilation?

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    • Flamerstreak wrote: Say, Gilga, I know you don't care about Season 4, but what do you think of Julian and DP's thoughts on needing Splinter?

      Well, by The Fourfold Trap, it was pretty clear the turtles still weren't nearly as competent as Splinter was. So yeah, Splinter being there would certainly be nice. But ultimately they don't need-need him, any more than Mirage Volume 4 turtles needed Splinter after he died. That said, it's less useful to speculate about what's realistic in-story, since this has been wildly inconsistent fiction that doesn't seem to respect itself very much. It will ultimately come down to whether or not the storytelling is good, rather than what exact plot devices they decide on using.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Flamerstreak wrote: Say, Gilga, I know you don't care about Season 4, but what do you think of Julian and DP's thoughts on needing Splinter?

      Well, by The Fourfold Trap, it was pretty clear the turtles still weren't nearly as competent as Splinter was. So yeah, Splinter being there would certainly be nice. But ultimately they don't need-need him, any more than Mirage Volume 4 turtles needed Splinter after he died. That said, it's less useful to speculate about what's realistic in-story, since this has been wildly inconsistent fiction that doesn't seem to respect itself very much. It will ultimately come down to whether or not the storytelling is good, rather than what exact plot devices they decide on using.


      The "ultmately don't need-need him" part was what I meant earlier, so you know.

      Say, do you guys think any of the experience while in space could make the turtles tougher some?

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote: Well, in "Tale of the Yokai," Renet wanted to make sure the turtles' sensei, Splinter, survives. But it could be unknown that Renet will be watching over them. What if Renet or Bishop's utroms rescued Splinter during the earth's annihilation?

      At NYCC they made it pretty clear that Splinter was not saved, and would not be saved, and would not come back into their lives in any way. They made an executive decision that his death must be permanent and irrevocable.

      So far, I'm actually reminded of how the TV series Charmed handled the death of the character Prue in-show. Her death was very abrupt and very permanent, and she was never seen for the rest of the show's five seasons (outside of the back of the head of her actress's stunt double in a flashback sequence of a clip episode).

      It remains to be seen if Nick TMNT goes that route of never-seen-or-heard-from-again. Maybe they'll have flashbacks, especially since Hoon Lee seems to have a credit in the season 4 premiere. But we're supposed to understand that he will never come back to life or be a regular character in this series again.


      Anyway, I've become a lot more detached from these developments than I used to be. I still love the show, but only up to a point. And the way Annihilation Earth! seemed to continue derailing the development of central characters (especially Mikey and Casey), it felt very freeing to me, like I shouldn't worry if I have a fanfiction idea that breaks canon if the canon itself is going to be so bad anyway.

      One of my friends in particular has severed all interest in the future of the Nick TMNT show, but he's still cautiously interested in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures comics printed by IDW. Recently relaunched, they made the decision to completely break canon from the TV show and branch out into their own continuity, which is just what the Archie TMNT comics eventually did from the 1987 TV series. And considering that Archie TMNT became more mature and its storytelling and characters actually became quite good, there's still hope for a good storyline based on the original Nickelodeon template. So far, only two issues of TMNT AA have been published, but it shows some promise. And they're still on Earth, and Splinter is still alive.

      And maybe my friend is right. Maybe the show now is crap and is better abandoned. Maybe Amazing Adventures is the only TV-based continuity worth following anymore.

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    • Well, if Splinter has no more regular role in the show, honestly, I think that opens a spot for Karai. I mean, I don't like that they killed Splinter either, but I think Karai has been through more than enough to earn the ability to be a series regular.

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    • Correction! There are now three issues of Amazing Adventures. The third one just came out! :) Can't wait to read it.

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    • All right! Amazing Adventures issue #3 is part 1 of a series about the Mutanimals during the Kraang occupation of New York! :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Correction! There are now three issues of Amazing Adventures. The third one just came out! :) Can't wait to read it.

      What's Amazing Adventures?

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    • Awesome, a decent Slash story. Apparently, Slash and Pete were the first two Mutanimals, and then they recruited Leatherhead and Rockwell. The second story of the issue was about Mikey and Napoleon sightseeing in New York City at night and trying not to be seen. Neither of these stories are TV canon though, since the series is going with its own separate canon.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Correction! There are now three issues of Amazing Adventures. The third one just came out! :) Can't wait to read it.

      What's Amazing Adventures?

      It's a separate IDW comics series based on the Nickelodeon cartoon, but splitting off into its own canon separate from the TV show. See the article.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote: Well, in "Tale of the Yokai," Renet wanted to make sure the turtles' sensei, Splinter, survives. But it could be unknown that Renet will be watching over them. What if Renet or Bishop's utroms rescued Splinter during the earth's annihilation?

      At NYCC they made it pretty clear that Splinter was not saved, and would not be saved, and would not come back into their lives in any way. They made an executive decision that his death must be permanent and irrevocable.

      So far, I'm actually reminded of how the TV series Charmed handled the death of the character Prue in-show. Her death was very abrupt and very permanent, and she was never seen for the rest of the show's five seasons (outside of the back of the head of her actress's stunt double in a flashback sequence of a clip episode).

      It remains to be seen if Nick TMNT goes that route of never-seen-or-heard-from-again. Maybe they'll have flashbacks, especially since Hoon Lee seems to have a credit in the season 4 premiere. But we're supposed to understand that he will never come back to life or be a regular character in this series again.


      Anyway, I've become a lot more detached from these developments than I used to be. I still love the show, but only up to a point. And the way Annihilation Earth! seemed to continue derailing the development of central characters (especially Mikey and Casey), it felt very freeing to me, like I shouldn't worry if I have a fanfiction idea that breaks canon if the canon itself is going to be so bad anyway.

      One of my friends in particular has severed all interest in the future of the Nick TMNT show, but he's still cautiously interested in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures comics printed by IDW. Recently relaunched, they made the decision to completely break canon from the TV show and branch out into their own continuity, which is just what the Archie TMNT comics eventually did from the 1987 TV series. And considering that Archie TMNT became more mature and its storytelling and characters actually became quite good, there's still hope for a good storyline based on the original Nickelodeon template. So far, only two issues of TMNT AA have been published, but it shows some promise. And they're still on Earth, and Splinter is still alive.

      And maybe my friend is right. Maybe the show now is crap and is better abandoned. Maybe Amazing Adventures is the only TV-based continuity worth following anymore.

      Don't say that. The show will continue. But what if NYCC is wrong?

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        • about Splinter's fate?
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    • It was an official appearance by the show's creators at NYCC. It came directly from their mouths. They appear regularly at some of the major comic conventions to make announcements like these and have live Q&A panels with creators and voice actors. Their previous panel was at San Diego Comic Con.

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    • I for one do not believe any word those guys say.  Let me explain to you why.  The creators of this show have proven that they put nearly no effort into writting these episodes, since most of the episodes for season 3 are crap.  They put more time into the merchandise then the show and for more then a year, they have made absolutely no long term decisions for this show.  They take hiatuses that can last for a month to 3 months, just to make decisions for the next four episodes, not for rest of the series, or even the rest of the season.

      Do you guys really believe that the creators have suddenly decided to work harder on this show, and have actually made a long term decision when they have proven that they care more about the merchandise for the younger demographic and the resulting profit then the actual show?  If so, then you guys are gullible!  No offense.

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    • And I didn't mean the show won't continue—I'm sure it will continue for as long as it's considered profitable. I meant that maybe it shouldn't continue, if they can't maintain a good quality story.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It was an official appearance by the show's creators at NYCC. It came directly from their mouths. They appear regularly at some of the major comic conventions to make announcements like these and have live Q&A panels with creators and voice actors. Their previous panel was at San Diego Comic Con.

      And you actually believe them?  May I remind you that these guys have barely put any effort into the show and that they care more about the merchandise?

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    • DPfanboy wrote: I for one do not believe any word those guys say.  Let me explain to you why.  The creators of this show have proven that they put nearly no effort into writting these episodes, since most of the episodes for season 3 are crap.  They put more time into the merchandise then the show and for more then a year, they have made absolutely no long term decisions for this show.  They take hiatuses that can last for a month to 3 months, just to make decisions for the next four episodes, not for rest of the series, or even the rest of the season.

      Do you guys really believe that the creators have suddenly decided to work harder on this show, and have actually made a long term decision when they have proven that they care more about the merchandise for the younger demographic and the resulting profit then the actual show?  If so, then you guys are gullible!  No offense.

      To be honest, no. I'd really like to believe they want to work harder, and to that extent their announcements have credit in that they probably believe what they're saying. But you're right that the show's development is too subject to short-term whims, many of them very ill-conceived. I think we can mostly rely on the integrity of their public announcements two or three months after the announcement. But beyond that, no.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It was an official appearance by the show's creators at NYCC. It came directly from their mouths. They appear regularly at some of the major comic conventions to make announcements like these and have live Q&A panels with creators and voice actors. Their previous panel was at San Diego Comic Con.

      And you actually believe them?  May I remind you that these guys have barely put any effort into the show and that they care more about the merchandise?

      I believe that there actually are (or were) genuinely good-meaning people on staff with some very good ideas, and sometimes those ideas were allowed to be realized in glorious fashion (like Slash and Destroy). I also believe in the stark reality of executing meddling (trope link). So, the answer is more complex than believing them vs. not believing them. I'd like to believe some of them, but I also think that for those people, it's not entirely their call what happens in the future.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      DPfanboy wrote: I for one do not believe any word those guys say.  Let me explain to you why.  The creators of this show have proven that they put nearly no effort into writting these episodes, since most of the episodes for season 3 are crap.  They put more time into the merchandise then the show and for more then a year, they have made absolutely no long term decisions for this show.  They take hiatuses that can last for a month to 3 months, just to make decisions for the next four episodes, not for rest of the series, or even the rest of the season.

      Do you guys really believe that the creators have suddenly decided to work harder on this show, and have actually made a long term decision when they have proven that they care more about the merchandise for the younger demographic and the resulting profit then the actual show?  If so, then you guys are gullible!  No offense.

      To be honest, no. I'd really like to believe they want to work harder, and to that extent their announcements have credit in that they probably believe what they're saying. But you're right that the show's development is too subject to short-term whims, many of them very ill-conceived. I think we can mostly rely on the integrity of their public announcements two or three months after the announcement. But beyond that, no.

      Then we shouldn't believe everything they say, maybe they said this to surprise at the mid season finale.  But if that was actually their plan, it was poorly thought up.

      So do you think that after a few months, the fans won't find their statement at NYCC true at all?

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    • Any wonder why I'm such a frustrated fan? :) I'm actually getting used to the BS being the normal state of things.

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    • At least the Turtles in Space should be up to 13 episodes. The Turtles and their friends better collect the Heart of Darkness pieces or the Triceratons will destroy Earth and Shredder will kill Splinter.

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    • Heart of Darkness pieces? What exactly do you mean, Julian?

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    • The generator that creates a black hole in Annihilation Earth.

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    • Why are they after such a thing?

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    • Spoilers on Beyond the Known Universe, Fugitoid said that the Utroms hides three pieces somewhere in 3 planets.

      The Turtles and their friends have to find 3 pieces.

      Sorry to spoil Beyond the Known Universe. :(

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    • I forgot to put 6 months ago.

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    • No problem. What will they do once they have been retrieved?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote: Well, in "Tale of the Yokai," Renet wanted to make sure the turtles' sensei, Splinter, survives. But it could be unknown that Renet will be watching over them. What if Renet or Bishop's utroms rescued Splinter during the earth's annihilation?

      At NYCC they made it pretty clear that Splinter was not saved, and would not be saved, and would not come back into their lives in any way. They made an executive decision that his death must be permanent and irrevocable.

      So far, I'm actually reminded of how the TV series Charmed handled the death of the character Prue in-show. Her death was very abrupt and very permanent, and she was never seen for the rest of the show's five seasons (outside of the back of the head of her actress's stunt double in a flashback sequence of a clip episode).

      It remains to be seen if Nick TMNT goes that route of never-seen-or-heard-from-again. Maybe they'll have flashbacks, especially since Hoon Lee seems to have a credit in the season 4 premiere. But we're supposed to understand that he will never come back to life or be a regular character in this series again.


      Anyway, I've become a lot more detached from these developments than I used to be. I still love the show, but only up to a point. And the way Annihilation Earth! seemed to continue derailing the development of central characters (especially Mikey and Casey), it felt very freeing to me, like I shouldn't worry if I have a fanfiction idea that breaks canon if the canon itself is going to be so bad anyway.

      One of my friends in particular has severed all interest in the future of the Nick TMNT show, but he's still cautiously interested in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures comics printed by IDW. Recently relaunched, they made the decision to completely break canon from the TV show and branch out into their own continuity, which is just what the Archie TMNT comics eventually did from the 1987 TV series. And considering that Archie TMNT became more mature and its storytelling and characters actually became quite good, there's still hope for a good storyline based on the original Nickelodeon template. So far, only two issues of TMNT AA have been published, but it shows some promise. And they're still on Earth, and Splinter is still alive.

      And maybe my friend is right. Maybe the show now is crap and is better abandoned. Maybe Amazing Adventures is the only TV-based continuity worth following anymore.

      Wait, by executive decision, do you mean the executives of Nick decided killing off Splinter permanently would boost profit?  How would killing off Splinter for good be good for the show's profit and ratings?!

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    • Change history just to make sure no Triceratons coming to earth and Splinter is still alive.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Change history just to make sure no Triceratons coming to earth and Splinter is still alive.


      Well, whether or not Splinter actually does live, I am excited to see how this will all turn out! Can't wait for Sunday! Thanks, Julian!

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    • DPfanboy: I don't know whether it's the writers or executives who made that decision. But one thing to keep in mind about executive decisions is that they are not always good ideas or even make good business sense. When executives of large companies are concerned, it can be as much an issue of ego and whim as anything else.

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    • I should add that: Yes, entertainment executives are still responsible to the markets for the decisions they make. A "good" executive makes more "good" decisions than "bad" ones. But the primary responsibility of executives is to make decisions to make more money. Beyond this, they still have a degree of choice in how to run an entertainment business, and they may or may not value the quality of entertainment as much as the profits that come from it.

      It's sort of a cliché (with both fact and fiction and plenty of urban legend involved, I'm sure) that entertainment executives frequently make ill-conceived decisions that ruin projects, or even intentionally sabotage projects to hurt the legacies of personal rivals who stand to credit more from a project's success than themselves. Of course, I'm generally more inclined to take a cynical assessment of a profit-seeking entity's self-interest vs. altruism. But all that said, at the end of the day, I can't say I know what's going through the minds of creators or the executives who pay their salaries.

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    • I hope they haven't said anything about Karai this season because it's too early. Hopefully they will soon.

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    • I'm not kidding: I really think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Amazing Adventures is actually better than most season 3 episodes have been, and its new stories no longer share canon with the TV series. I've started some articles (some are stubs, but some are pretty long like Zodiac (story arc)), but I hope to do more. So, if you're getting sick of where the TV show is going (and I know some of you are), try these comics! :) Splinter is still very much alive in them, too.

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Change history just to make sure no Triceratons coming to earth and Splinter is still alive.

      Well, whether or not Splinter actually does live, I am excited to see how this will all turn out! Can't wait for Sunday! Thanks, Julian!

      If you thoughts on Beyond the Known Universe: http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:97772

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Flamerstreak wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Change history just to make sure no Triceratons coming to earth and Splinter is still alive.

      Well, whether or not Splinter actually does live, I am excited to see how this will all turn out! Can't wait for Sunday! Thanks, Julian!
      If you thoughts on Beyond the Known Universe: http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:97772


      So, based on what was said, they have to get the pieces before the Triceratons do, right?

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    • Flamerstreak wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Flamerstreak wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Change history just to make sure no Triceratons coming to earth and Splinter is still alive.

      Well, whether or not Splinter actually does live, I am excited to see how this will all turn out! Can't wait for Sunday! Thanks, Julian!
      If you thoughts on Beyond the Known Universe: http://turtlepedia.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:97772

      So, based on what was said, they have to get the pieces before the Triceratons do, right?

      That's right. 3 pieces but it's in the hands of Lord Dregg, Mona Lisa and Armaggon.

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    • So how did the Triceratons get those pieces before? Brute force, maybe?

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    • Possibly.

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    • Honestly, preferrably sometime this season, I'd like to see Karai reunited with her brothers finally... for the longest time  I wanted to see her completely cured of her mutation. But, I am starting to kinda give up on that... Honestly, even if it means she won't be completly human again, I will be satisfied if Nick could at least make the first thing happen.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Honestly, preferrably sometime this season, I'd like to see Karai reunited with her brothers finally... for the longest time  I wanted to see her completely cured of her mutation. But, I am starting to kinda give up on that... Honestly, even if it means she won't be completly human again, I will be satisfied if Nick could at least make the first thing happen.

      I mostly want to see her reunited with her father!  It's what I've been waiting so long for!  He's the one who loves her the most, and he's also the only one who said 'I love you' to her!  I still don't believe that Splinter is dead permanently, I still think the creators are lying about their statement!  Just because they said it doesn't always mean it's true!  Plus, their past history with making decisions for this show also supports that!

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Honestly, preferrably sometime this season, I'd like to see Karai reunited with her brothers finally... for the longest time  I wanted to see her completely cured of her mutation. But, I am starting to kinda give up on that... Honestly, even if it means she won't be completly human again, I will be satisfied if Nick could at least make the first thing happen.
      I mostly want to see her reunited with her father!  It's what I've been waiting so long for!  He's the one who loves her the most, and he's also the only one who said 'I love you' to her!  I still don't believe that Splinter is dead permanently, I still think the creators are lying about their statement!  Just because they said it doesn't always mean it's true!  Plus, their past history with making decisions for this show also supports that!

      Either way, we'll find out soon enough.

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    • Well, I get a feeling they will save Earth, if the creators said the first 13 episodes will be in a space arc. Where else will the other episodes be? Besides, I heard from Peter Diccio's tumblr that they ordered six more episodes for this season, which means this season will also have 26 episodes.

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    • Honestly, I think the possibility of Karai not being on Earth when it was destroyed is possible, Splinter's dialogue about her in "Annihilation Earth" seems to foreshadow something.

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    • I read in a post on instagram that an apritello fan posted with a faded out psot of who posted it but it said something about April and Donnie actually becoming a couple in the beginning of season 4 right off that bat. Since we are 2 episodes in and we only had that one scene in the first episode where it's Donnie flirting and an emotion crystal that leads everything to question. So is it safe to say that this is false? I mean no one would blow the whole love traingle drama already and say she ends up with so and so. Plus season 3 after the big foot episode kind of left the apritello thing all in the dark again.

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    • I just hope magic would be involved in season 5. Like the ninja tribunal.

      For season 5, I would picture something "Street Fighter-Mortal Kombat-esque". Kinda almost like the Battle Nexus tournament.

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    • Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.

      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.

      Great... just perfect.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.
      Great... just perfect.

      I know right. After all, this show must go on.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.
      Great... just perfect.
      I know right. After all, this show must go on.

      And they couldn't possibly do it by rescuing Karai and reuniting her with her family already?

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.
      Great... just perfect.
      I know right. After all, this show must go on.
      And they couldn't possibly do it by rescuing Karai and reuniting her with her family already?

      What do you mean?

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Season 4 is the Turtles in Space arc, needs to have Splinter's return and Shredder and the Kraang arc.

      Season 5 has to be the battle against Shredder and the Foot Clan.

      Not to mention finally save Karai and end this crap.
      I watched Greg Cipes and Hoon Lee's interview. Brandon Auman said that if Splinter is alive, who knows when the show must go on.
      Great... just perfect.
      I know right. After all, this show must go on.
      And they couldn't possibly do it by rescuing Karai and reuniting her with her family already?
      What do you mean?

      Exactly what I said.

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    • Oh after the Turtles in Space arc (collecting the Black Hole Generator pieces), the Turtles and April can be with Splinter and keep searching for Karai. After all, she could be anywhere after the events of The Fourfold Trap.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Oh after the Turtles in Space arc (collecting the Black Hole Generator pieces), the Turtles and April can be with Splinter and keep searching for Karai. After all, she could be anywhere after the events of The Fourfold Trap.

      Where could she possibly be?  In Annihilation Earth, Splinter said they searched the sewers and they couldn't find her anywhere.  So where did she go?  She may have a human form, but a girl in armor would still stand out in New York.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Oh after the Turtles in Space arc (collecting the Black Hole Generator pieces), the Turtles and April can be with Splinter and keep searching for Karai. After all, she could be anywhere after the events of The Fourfold Trap.
      Where could she possibly be?  In Annihilation Earth, Splinter said they searched the sewers and they couldn't find her anywhere.  So where did she go?  She may have a human form, but a girl in armor would still stand out in New York.

      Karai's whereabouts could be a clue or a mystery. We'll have to wait until The Turtles in Space arc is done though.

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    • I wonder if they're going to add Venus and Ninjara. It would be interesting to see which Turtle would be the most likely to pair up with.

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    • TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

      Yeah, and hopefully they'll rescue Karai finally...

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

      Yeah, and hopefully they'll rescue Karai finally...

      But where could Karai be when the Turtles returned to Earth? It could be a clue.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

      Yeah, and hopefully they'll rescue Karai finally...
      But where could Karai be when the Turtles returned to Earth? It could be a clue.

      As long as they rescue her I don't care.

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    • Hopefully. =)

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    • I've got news from Brandon's Instagram account that the next TMNT SD Comic Con is March 26 @ 11:30 AM. I'll be looking forward to all the heads-up on what to expect for the second half of S4. :)

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

      Yeah, and hopefully they'll rescue Karai finally...
      But where could Karai be when the Turtles returned to Earth? It could be a clue.
      As long as they rescue her I don't care.

      Dude, they already DID rescue her! They just didn't know they did.

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    • TMNTInsider wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      TMNT is back on January:

      Riddle of the Ancient Aeons!

      Journey to the Center of Mikey's Mind!

      The Arena of Carnage!

      The War for Dimension X!

      And we'll wait for episode 13 so that the Turtles in space arc is done and Master Splinter will be alive for next month.

      Yeah, and hopefully they'll rescue Karai finally...
      But where could Karai be when the Turtles returned to Earth? It could be a clue.
      As long as they rescue her I don't care.
      Dude, they already DID rescue her! They just didn't know they did.

      NOT what I meant! I mean so she can be with her family!

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:

      KaijuHero wrote:
      My theory for Season 5 it could have a multiverse element, it was teased with in season 2 in Manhattan project and return of tiger claw. What if we see the battle nexus appear in the show, though what season 5 is based around either Karai or Splinter centered. Due each of the four being based around the turtles. I doubt they would just add a new character center season 5 like Carter from the original 87 show or (shudder) Venus Demilo.

      Cool theory. Although there should be more members of the Foot Clan like Tatsu or Tokka in Season 5.

      More members is that all you think? Back in The episode Fourfold Trap,

      April,Raph and Leo couldn't fought them because their were out number.

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    • TMNT S4 THEORY

      Karai becomes the new Shredder she has become more brutal than her father, Oroku Saki.

      The Turtles' lair is completely destroyed.

      The Turtles move into a new lair.

      Leonardo defeats Karai in battle.

      April is captured.

      Much of this season will focuse on Leonardo, the group's leader, who became more reserved and isolated following the final episode of the previous season in which he, his brothers and their master were almost killed.

      Splinter sends Leonardo on a pilgrimage to the Ancient One, Hamato Yoshi's own master and father figure.

      Back in New York, Karai takes up the Shredder's mantle, and rebuilds the Foot Clan to become a much more powerful organization.

      In the season finale, the Turtles find themselves abducted by the mysterious Ninja Tribunal, along with four other warriors from across the globe. The eight warriors are informed they are being drafted to combat a great evil that is poised to return.

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    • TMNT S4 THEORY PART 2

      For the entire season Karai is the leader of the Foot Clan.

      Hun controls the Purple Dragons.

      Savanti Romero returns messing up the timeline.

      Renet tries to use the Time Scepter to teleport them out of danger.

      Leatherhead reapears from a leave of absence after Annihilation Earth!, Part 2.

      Hun is evolving the Purple Dragons from a street gang to an organized criminal organization.

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    • ....Hun already controls the purple dragons, he said it in his debut.

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    • Trigger009 wrote: ....Hun already controls the purple dragons, he said it in his debut.

      Oh, Ok i thought it was like that fat guy or Shredder somehow...

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    • I think my theory are alot more accurate compared to the others.

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    • KaraiMiwa wrote:
      TMNT S4 THEORY PART 2

      For the entire season Karai is the leader of the Foot Clan.

      Hun controls the Purple Dragons.

      Savanti Romero returns messing up the timeline.

      Renet tries to use the Time Scepter to teleport them out of danger.

      Leatherhead reapears from a leave of absence after Annihilation Earth!, Part 2.

      Hun is evolving the Purple Dragons from a street gang to an organized criminal organization.

      In what universe would Miwa wiliingly take up the mantle of the Foot Clan?!  Because 1, she isn't Shredder's daughter, she's Splinter's daughter!  And 2, she's no longer under his control!

      In the second half of season 4, she'll most likely rejoin her brothers and her father (her REAL FATHER), or she may just join the Mighty Mutanimals.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:

      KaraiMiwa wrote:
      TMNT S4 THEORY PART 2

      For the entire season Karai is the leader of the Foot Clan.

      Hun controls the Purple Dragons.

      Savanti Romero returns messing up the timeline.

      Renet tries to use the Time Scepter to teleport them out of danger.

      Leatherhead reapears from a leave of absence after Annihilation Earth!, Part 2.

      Hun is evolving the Purple Dragons from a street gang to an organized criminal organization.

      In what universe would Miwa wiliingly take up the mantle of the Foot Clan?!  Because 1, she isn't Shredder's daughter, she's Splinter's daughter!  And 2, she's no longer under his control!

      In the second half of season 4, she'll most likely rejoin her brothers and her father (her REAL FATHER), or she may just join the Mighty Mutanimals.

      Who said she haven't forgotten them while being hypnotized and who said that she would rebuild it for evil, in TMNT 2007 movie there were pretty much helping the turtles and guess who was controlling it?

      And knowing the writers they wouldn't do a happy ending right now and who said there would be?

      Plus there is a fifth season and who said there wasn't going to be sixth Meaby happy ending in the series finale huh?

      I think this trilogy of Karai ends here (her fate isn't your choice neither then mine but Ciro Nieli judgement)(All this is my opinion of Karai reorganized the foot clan)

      By my judgment, Shredder will be defeated by Splinter in the Earth's Last Stand if not it doesn't matter.

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    • I forgotten to add that she can't join her brothers because she's a recurring character so we can't see her all the time or should i say all the episodes.

      In other incarnations she allied herself with Leonardo to defeat a common enemy.

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    • KaraiMiwa wrote:

      DPfanboy wrote:

      KaraiMiwa wrote:
      TMNT S4 THEORY PART 2

      For the entire season Karai is the leader of the Foot Clan.

      Hun controls the Purple Dragons.

      Savanti Romero returns messing up the timeline.

      Renet tries to use the Time Scepter to teleport them out of danger.

      Leatherhead reapears from a leave of absence after Annihilation Earth!, Part 2.

      Hun is evolving the Purple Dragons from a street gang to an organized criminal organization.

      In what universe would Miwa wiliingly take up the mantle of the Foot Clan?!  Because 1, she isn't Shredder's daughter, she's Splinter's daughter!  And 2, she's no longer under his control!

      In the second half of season 4, she'll most likely rejoin her brothers and her father (her REAL FATHER), or she may just join the Mighty Mutanimals.

      Who said she haven't forgotten them while being hypnotized and who said that she would rebuild it for evil, in TMNT 2007 movie there were pretty much helping the turtles and guess who was controlling it?

      And knowing the writers they wouldn't do a happy ending right now and who said there would be?

      Plus there is a fifth season and who said there wasn't going to be sixth Meaby happy ending in the series finale huh?

      I think this trilogy of Karai ends here (her fate isn't your choice neither then mine but Ciro Nieli judgement)(All this is my opinion of Karai reorganized the foot clan)

      By my judgment, Shredder will be defeated by Splinter in the Earth's Last Stand if not it doesn't matter.

      This isn't the 2007 movie or the 2k3 cartoon, this is the 2012 cartoon and you're just assuming that stuff that happened in the other universe has an equal chance of happening in this universe in the exact same way.  All your theories are just assumptions.

      Your theory of Shredder being defeated in Earth's Last Stand is nothing more then a random guess.  And it does matter if it doesn't happen!

      BTW, just because she is a recurring character doesn't mean she can't become a main character!  It's not the first time it's happened in a tv show, and a lot of fans are hoping to see it happen!

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    • Well, when the episode comes out, I sincerely hope we can discuss this in a friendly manner.

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    • Guys, I think we can all agree we want Karai back with her real father and the turtles right? I honestly don't think this is worth arguing over.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Guys, I think we can all agree we want Karai back with her real father and the turtles right? I honestly don't think this is worth arguing over.

      Thank you!  That's exactly what we all want!

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    • Just a reminder!!!

      The Ever-Burning Fire will air on 7 days.

      Earth's Last Stand will air on 14 days.

      Don't miss this TMNT Fans! ;)

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    • Guys I was re-reading all of you're posts, and some were saying the turtles can't train without their master. Well what if The Ancient One came back and temporarily taught them, before (if he does) Splinter comes back. Thoughts on the Farting Ancient One coming back? xD

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    • MarsicornYT wrote:
      Guys I was re-reading all of you're posts, and some were saying the turtles can't train without their master. Well what if The Ancient One came back and temporarily taught them, before (if he does) Splinter comes back. Thoughts on the Farting Ancient One coming back? xD

      YAY another fan! I think we should also get the Ninja Tribunal and the other students, and I know a lot of people are saying it'd be next to impossible to have Usagi and the (good) rhino guy who is also awesome. I think they would all look TOTALLY awesome in this animation. And as far as we know Splinter is coming back. If the writers change their mind at the last second, lets just say, they are going to be at the top of my mortal enemies list. Also, great idea for an episode name XD

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    • Hahah yes I am a fan of the 2012 series , and omg I remember usagi, wasn't he the rabbit guy? And omg the Rhino guy I remember so much!!!! He used to annoy Mikey remember and take his comics. And the Ninja tribunal woukd be awesome, but that means the shredder wouldnt be the real shredder either

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    • Actually, I just want an opinion here, do you guys think Karai will even be in Season 4? The second half I mean?

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    • TMNT Panel will be in NYCC 2016 on October 7, 2016.

      It will be called "Rise of the Super Shredder."

      There will be 7 more episodes, including the season 4 finale.

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    • Do you guys think Karai will be in season 5 at all? I know I must sound like a broken record. I hope so.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote: Do you guys think Karai will be in season 5 at all? I know I must sound like a broken record. I hope so.

      What makes you think she wont be?

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    • Trigger009 wrote:

      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote: Do you guys think Karai will be in season 5 at all? I know I must sound like a broken record. I hope so.

      What makes you think she wont be?


      Yeah!...why do you say that, I thought you liked me :'(

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      Trigger009 wrote:

      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote: Do you guys think Karai will be in season 5 at all? I know I must sound like a broken record. I hope so.

      What makes you think she wont be?

      Yeah!...why do you say that, I thought you liked me :'(

      I don't know, just my mind racing with a bunch of different thoughts... yes MiwaandSplinterfan, I do like you.

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