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  • Honestly... season 3, two episodes in, and I'm really not digging the episode/storyline set up... The first episode Raph is mutated into a weird plant-dog and just as quickly and easily fixed up - it was weak writing.

    Episode 2... Big Foot, the Finger and... a make over... seriously... My problem with this, HOW DOES BIG FOOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS? Bleh... These episodes feel so contrived and silly... more so than usual, I understand its a kid's show, but before this season it still felt like it had an integrity about it, that made it likeable to a wider audience (and older people, like myself) -- Lately... its just felt so weak and dumbed down... I dunno... the episodes have some very likeable moments... and then they go and do things that make it very less than likeable... am I alone in thinking this? I also know, there's no point in even bringing it up, nothing will change... but it just feels to me like this show has lost something great, there felt like there was a care being put into each episode, even filler ones; up until now... Lately it feels like its just a watered down ninja turtles show solely for children to enjoy... I really hope we see a change, or else... well I'll just be moving on and I really don't want to... I just want some good writing again, like we had with season 2... :(

    Just a humble rant from a very ninja turtle loving fan... please Ciro... bring back the greatness that was very present in season 2...

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    • Well we are 2 episodes in just like you said, did you expect them to go into the most awesome/action/heart felt stuff so soon? Because they do need time to get too that stuff. And im sure this season is still gonna be great but like the other 2 seasons it will have meh and bleh episodes, but again they need time to build stuff up and we are only 2 episodes in.

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    • Honestly... I expected better writing... Especially for the season premiere... I understand there's gonna be less than ideal episodes, but even the one's in the past had what felt like more thought and integrity to them. These one's have been, weak and childish/over the top silly.. which translates to downright lame and mediocre :S

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    • The Finger for example, a very interesting character... but they ruined him with the silly climax/resolve in A Foot Too Big. Big Foot, the make over ruined her character for me... she's been in the forest ALL this time, and apparently only starting to talk since meeting the turtles.. yet she's worried about her appearance and wants a make over? No... that's just poor writing. Raph is a mutant plant-dog and just as easily turned back, yet Leo still needs to use a crutch to get around, even though he saved everyone in Within the Woods... I'm a writer - I don't have work on a show like ninja turtles - but even I know, the focus of Leo being injured was completely dispelled when he saved his brothers from The Creep... The focus fell too much on Raph's condition, but now, in the following episode, we're expected to accept Leo is still TOO hurt... the illusion was broken for me. The transition doesn't feel/seem natural anymore... its like, he's hurt this episode because its convenient.. that's just sloppy.

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    • The kiss was the worst part for me.

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    • YEah, the kiss between April and Donnie is a perfect example. The Characters aren't moving anywhere... they are as stationary as the trees that surround them. We finally had some development on Donnie understanding that he can't just be a creepy stalker -- but now, because the kiss occured, I guarantee he will do something very similar in a future episode.

      My problem ultimately... is as someone who writes/cares about ninja turtles... I just feel like these profesionals should be doing a better job - because I know I could given the chance. I'm totally nitpicking, but that's how, as a fan, I feel.

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    • Sugilita wrote: The kiss was the worst part for me.

      I don't mind the romance as long as it doesn't go too overboard and conflict with the main plot. I thought the kiss was cute. Call me a weirdo if you want, but that kiss scene......





      Is my screen saver! XD

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    • Better than just "Hey Leo is healed! Let's just go back and fight the Kraang" It is showing that he needs time to heal up.

      Within The Woods - Really enjoyed it. I put it in the middle of the series in terms of best to worst. That whole Raph/Plant thing was pintless, but it would not be a horror movie send up unless someone was killed, even temporarily. Also, he was able to fight because he might be about to lose his brothers. If you pay close atention he is struggling to fight. It was probobly an adrenaline rush.

      A Foot To Big - Did not really care

      So far the next one, "Burried Secrets", sounds really good though! Besides, every show has a few Dud episodes. Maybe they are just trying to get them out of the way now so they can focus on some really good ones.

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    • Right. I understand they want to show Leo is still healing, but there's better ways of doing it -- Within the Woods -- I've said this before - but I would have made the weird plant-dog thing just a piece of Creep - and not actually Raph -- make it Raph saves the day - because While LEo tries to fight Creep - he can't because he's too weak (this way, we do see, okay, Leo is still far too weak)... Then you can have people think Raph has died UP UNTIL he shows up to REALLY save the day... would have made for some good humour too - Having Mikey and Donnie think the plant thing was Raph the whole time... 

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    • Actually, I'm liking what they're doing with season three so far. And it's only been two episodes.

      ShellBrain: Do you hate that Raph had a temporary change in mutation, or do you hate that he was turned into a plant? Because a temporary change in mutation happened in the semi-canonical Mirage storylines Down to the River, River Hymn and Old Man River. What I didn't care much for in Within the Woods was the Creep. It had a role very similar to Bloodsucker...but was trying to be Jason from Friday the 13th. I thought that could have been done better. But, I suppose it is what it is now.

      Also, I'm surprised so many people seem to hate the April/Donnie story arc. I think it's one of the more interesting things about the show. Not like I'm actively shipping anyone or anything, but it would be interesting if, for once, April didn't end up with Casey. I guess it doesn't help that I've never really warmed up to this Casey. I don't dislike him, but most of the time he's just there not really being interesting.

      Besides, I didn't think they were strictly recycling the first two seasons' formula with April and Donnie. I think both characters have changed, in subtle ways. Season three so far has shown Donnie to have moved past merely feeling threatened by Casey and trying to one-up him for April's affections, to a new circumstance where Donnie feels increasingly spiteful toward Casey and paranoid of any time April spends with him. And this seemed to reached a saturation point in A Foot Too Big, when a frustrated Donnie finally resolved to give up on her, and actually confronted her about his feelings—something he never successfully did in a real two-way interaction with her before—no "did I forget to mute that?", no abrupt excuses to avoid the issue—he actually talked about his feelings, she listened, and she seemed to respond candidly. And April's reaction to Donnie was beyond just nervous or polite smiling or a thank-you, a hug or a kiss on the cheek. She responded to him calling himself "just a mutant" by calling him "my mutant", and gave him a kiss that was very noticeably longer than a usual brief peck, with her head obscuring the camera and making it ambiguous whether or not she was kissing him on the lips. No, I think that, whatever happens next, this is actually a new development, and they would be stupid to keep recycling plot points just to give the story arc fake longevity.

      So, we should give the writers the benefit of the doubt that the show could still develop well. I intend to keep watching, because it's actually never been more interesting than it is right now.

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    • I am probably going to get some backlash for saying this, but how do we know that the kiss was truly for love?

      Parents kids their children, but not because they love them in that way.

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    • My problem with Within the Woods - Raph's mutation, is that it took away the focus that we're supposed to care/feel for Leo who is still recovering -- it totally made me feel more disturbed for Raphael... Not to mention, we're still expected to think of Leo as being this weak/hurt turtle, but he is the one who beat the Creep - when none of the others could... also, its just swept under the rug after its all resolved - like, oh no big deal. Just broke a lot of the illusion for me. I kind of see what this season is doing, its giving us a lot of the sub plot early, so that, I'm guessing, the next half will be mainly story driven

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    • ShellBrain: Well, it did seem like they were trying to cram elements from two different Mirage Northampton story arcs into one episode, and make it like Friday the 13th on top of it. That was probably overdone. That said, I'd rather see how further episodes continue to develop the story and characters before I form a mature opinion about how well the episode stands.

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    • SonofSamhain: Well, I didn't say it was necessarily unambiguously a romantic kiss. That seems to have been left ambiguous. But what I can say is that I think it was a significantly more affectionate kiss, in a way that hadn't been seen before now. Does April love Donnie? Of course she does—we just don't know if it's as a love interest or as a good friend. The writers managed to reveal a little bit more to us while still leaving plenty of mystery. :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: SonofSamhain: Well, I didn't say it was necessarily unambiguously a romantic kiss. That seems to have been left ambiguous. But what I can say is that I think it was a significantly more affectionate kiss, in a way that hadn't been seen before now. Does April love Donnie? Of course she does—we just don't know if it's as a love interest or as a good friend. The writers managed to reveal a little bit more to us while still leaving plenty of mystery. :)

      Yeah, it is pretty common for fans to jump to conclusions.

      The new versions of Bebop and Rocksteady are a good example. Lots of us fans prefer them to be idiots, though Anton Zeck and Ivan Steranko, the new Bebop and Rocksteady, are pretty much smart and competent (though Zeck is somewhat bumbling and eccentric).

      I actually think the new Rocksteady and Bebop are neat and believe that the Shredder might make them idiots to keep them from turning against him since he is confirmed to be the one responsible for their mutations.

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    • Ny Comic con had pre animated storyboards revealing the mutation of Steranko and Zeck... Ciro revealed they aren't as intelligent as they might have appeared, they will be incompetent but edgier for the 2012 series... that's what I'm holding out for, I want season 3 to return to the main point - because so far these filler episodes really aren't doing it for me. They just don't seem as clever as other filler episodes.

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    • Ironic, your opinion about the first 2 episodes is kinda like my opinion about the second half of Season 2 (excluding the finale)

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    • Wow really? I thought the writing in season 2 was really good... Better than season 1 even. Most of the "filler" episodes I thought were either really interesting ideas or well rounded stories. Guess that's the thing about opinions, everyone's differs.

      Only episode I despised was Mazes and Mutants... That was rather weak.

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    • All I know is I want to see Bigfoot and The Finger fighting side by side with the turtles and their allies. That would be cool.

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    • So Finger and Lady Bigfoot are a couple now? Ew. And you thought Donny's crush on April was  a tad squicky. Also, kind of wondering if that shrunken head really is his mother, or he just pretends it is...do I want to know the story there?

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    • My thought, when Finger was upset he'd hurt a woman (when he found out bigfoot was one) he apologized to his mother -- methinks he killed her by accident, and its left him mentally scarred... Atleast, makes me like his character more.

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    • Or... His mother simply raised him well. XD

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    • I doubt a show like this will delve very deeply into The Finger's messed up mommy issues.

      On the subject of Bebop and Rocksteady, keep in mind that Kirby became inarticulate and insane when he was mutated, despite being very intelligent as a human. Mutation probably affects peoples' mentality differently. So, 'Bop and Rock could still become idiots.

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    • True...Dr. Falco lost none of his intelligence or unscrupuousness upon becoming Rat King.

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    • ShellBrain wrote:
      YEah, the kiss between April and Donnie is a perfect example. The Characters aren't moving anywhere... they are as stationary as the trees that surround them. We finally had some development on Donnie understanding that he can't just be a creepy stalker -- but now, because the kiss occured, I guarantee he will do something very similar in a future episode.

      My problem ultimately... is as someone who writes/cares about ninja turtles... I just feel like these profesionals should be doing a better job - because I know I could given the chance. I'm totally nitpicking, but that's how, as a fan, I feel.

      Most of the them say especially the Apritello they April kiss Donnie on the lips....

      And this screams OMG...come on she did not kiss him on the lips.  It is still on the cheek.

      WHY ARE THESE APRITELLIO STILL INSIST.  If some say this jumps the Shark...I believe it does.  These who said the that she kiss him on the lips....PLEASE.

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    • Season 3 wasn't too horrible at all!!!! I mean I know all you fans and I would love to write new episodes for the show ourselves, but I don't think the current writers are doing that bad of a job.  I liked the Bigfoot episode because it was funny and creative, and I loved the end where April kissed Donnie because I love their relationship.  And for those who think the characters aren't moving anywhere, we have the new season beginning in less than a week and they will (hopefully) be battling the Kraang and taking back not only NYC but their lives in the sewers with their sensei and their friends.  I think season 3 will be behind us once we get going on the new season.

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    • Kudos on the new episode "Eyes of the Chimera" for doing something new with April's psychic powers... however, it lacked in character development anywhere else, we have already seen and done enough of Leo being hurt, this was my complaint in the VERY FIRST episode of season 3 -- he saves the day, they made it looks like he'd be okay in no time at all, and yet they keep back tracking... it looked like he was doing better --- but they keep going back and stretching this injury business out - I knew this is what they were going for - its too bad, such an easy way out of actually moving the plot anywhere - season 3 is, in my humble opinion, not as well conceived/executed as the prior seasons... I'm still holding out for the more action packed/story-main plot driven second half; I know is coming (The retaking of New York and the conclusion with the Kraang) I just... I expected more even from filler episodes... they all feel far too self contained and dont feel as being part of a larger story... but again, this episode was a bit more interesting -- though, all these episodes seem to be lately are one interesting element and then filler... hopefully its run its course and the next episodes are back on track.

      Atleast with filler in seasons 1 and 2 - aside from some minor episodes, it all felt connected to what was happening -- the farm/forest stuff just feels so forced and  very "monster of the week"

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    • I actually like Leo's long and difficult recovery. It's been character-building for him. Leo had a long and difficult recovery in the Mirage comics too—even when he regained his mobility, it took longer to regain his strength, stamina, etc. I like the consistency with which they've revisited that for the 2k12 Leo—he's been shattered, and is still gruelingly picking up the pieces, just as he did in the comics in the 1980s.

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    • Oh mah god! Return to New York is the episode I've been waiting for... man they wasted no time throwing us back into the thick of things... I will say this, all those past season 3 episodes really make it feel like so much time has passed -- but I still wish they would have written more depth to what was just monster of the week episodes - but hey, that is not what's important now! What is: The awesome things this latest episode did! Wasting no time, the turtles do the first and what would seem the most logical thing to do: FIND SPLINTER! Introducing some interesting (perhaps one-off) mutants, but it was still cool to see Shrimper, Lobsaw and Crabfists (that's what im calling them) hopefully they make a return, they seemed really formidable. It was great to see Baxter Stockman, Tiger Claw and Shredder - some Krang getting wrecked... it felt like a wholesome episode - the kind that I felt was severely missing from this season so far - I thought Vision Quest was a step in the right direction but it still didn't quite have that same feel/magic to it that season 2 episodes carried - it was cool though - but again, this latest one did - and I am super pumped to be getting back into the story of the battle for new york!

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    • ShellBrain wrote:
      Oh mah god! Return to New York is the episode I've been waiting for... man they wasted no time throwing us back into the thick of things... I will say this, all those past season 3 episodes really make it feel like so much time has passed -- but I still wish they would have written more depth to what was just monster of the week episodes - but hey, that is not what's important now! What is: The awesome things this latest episode did! Wasting no time, the turtles do the first and what would seem the most logical thing to do: FIND SPLINTER! Introducing some interesting (perhaps one-off) mutants, but it was still cool to see Shrimper, Lobsaw and Crabfist (that's what im calling them) hopefully they make a return, they seemed really formidable. It was great to see Baxter Stockman, Tiger Claw and Shredder - some Krang getting wrecked... it felt like a wholesome episode - the kind that I felt was severely missing from this season so far - I thought Vision Quest was a step in the right direction but it still didn't quite have that same feel/magic to it that season 2 episodes carried - it was cool though - but again, this latest one did - and I am super pumped to be getting back into the story of the battle for new york!

      You sure are excited. XD

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    • It feels like the show I fell in love with is back, the energy, the story, the interesting characters, plot and awesome fights! This is what I wanted from season 3 - had to wait 9 episodes to get it! I hope it keeps going now throughout the rest of the season!

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    • Well, this was brief. In Mirage, in-story they lived over a year at the farmhouse, the first time they all lived there. And the comic spent even longer than that telling that story, with much of the "guest era" covering that period. I'm long since used to TMNT slowing down for significant periods of time—I've come to expect it. The farmhouse actually became one of the most important turtle lairs, where they all lived at least two separate times, and one of the Splinters (by Mirage Volume 4 there were somehow two versions of him, not counting Donatello's secret clone) retired there for the rest of his life.

      If there's anything about the 2k12 series' handling of the farmhouse arc I don't like, it's that (1) they chose a fictional upstate New York location instead of western Massachusetts, and (2) Splinter wasn't with them, though I can understand that part being inspired by the first film rather than the Mirage comic.

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    • Agreed

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