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  • Is there a real Irma in the series?

    Well according to some of the producers of the series, she may or may not return.

    But if she does, let's look at the possibilities-  

    1.the kraang could have captured her and made a robot copy.

    2 .like April, she could be a hybrid (half-human/half-kraang) and was captured by kraang who used her DNA to help them perfect the mutagen.

    3.she could of escaped the kraang and is currently somewhere in dimension x.

    4.the kraang could be experimenting on her.

    5.the kraang could have her in stasis(like hypersleep) somewhere

    6.while irma/kraang subprime infiltrated and destroyed the lair, the real Irma could have been mutated or evacuated from the city when the kraang began their invasion.

    I like to think that there is a real Irma in the series and one of these possibilities is most likely but I could be wrong.

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    • She was seen eating pizza in one episode, which would suggest that was the *real* Irma (droids don't need to eat, and it's doubtful if Kraang eat human food). So when did the Kraang make the switch, d'ye think?

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    • Here's another possibility. She might have mutated in an escape attempt. Probably into a human-squid hybrid. Blue skin, two extra legs, limbs becoming tentacles with powerful suction cups, and huge head. And possibly a personal vendetta against Casey, like how the original Spy-Roach had a personal vendetta against Raph.

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    • 1, 3 and appear to me possible

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    • There are some potential plot holes (fridge logic, if you will) in Irma's story. The real interesting question is, how else did "Irma" maintain her cover as a spy? If she was April's best friend for an entire year, then wouldn't it have been likely April has visited her home, met her family, and such? Were they a real human family just as much in the dark about "Irma" as April was? Or were they other Kraang in suits? "Irma" didn't just have to be April's best friend to spy on her—her being there necessitated the appearance of an entire life, with school, friends, home, and all the little everyday life details "she" would have had to maintain.

      I think there probably had to have been a real Irma, so that Kraang Prime could swap lives with her. But considering that, if it were a more realistic world, it's likely that the real Irma is long dead; beyond the usefulness of scanning her memories, they would have had no further use for her. Don't get me wrong—I'd like for her not to be dead; and this being a TV-Y7 show, there's relatively better likelihood she's not dead. But if she's alive, any number of things are possible. Personally, I would find it very ironic if they found the real Irma, but she and April had either never met or had never been friends.

      Another possibility is, the writers are going to let the fridge logic be, and leave the questions unanswered and the plot holes ignored. Because even though this is a show that they know plenty of adults my age (in my mid-30s) are watching (what with all the really old easter eggs), it's likely that even more of the audience are preteens. And Nickelodeon may figure that preteens either won't notice plot holes like that, or won't care about them.

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    • I don't know. In The Wrath of Tiger Claw, April told Irma to stay in the street where the Kraang kidnap her and replace her with Kraang Subprime.

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    • She could still be alive. Any computer programmer knows you never destroy your master copy. Although it'd be pretty horrific if Irma's just an organic memory storage device -- i.e. a brain in a jar of fluid -- now....

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    • In the episode, "A Chinatown Ghost Story", Ho Chan did say that Irma had an unknown power he could not identify, so maybe she was a kraang all along.

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    • The producers said at NYCC she was a Kraang all along... :(

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    • So in other words, our chances of seeing a real Irma are slim...

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    • Yup, I hope they're lying (again XD).

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    • sure they will give us another twist as the end, like Irma Leatherhead, estubo hidden all the time in Dimension X

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    • My reply above was removed because I expressed a desire for a split, as a disclaimer I would like to warn users that this is something non-administrators should take it upon themselves to do, but I do believe we should be able to express our views on the subject and appeal to admins regarding our reasons for that. With that warning in place I really hope it could be restored.

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    • I take back what I said earlier. Apperently it was just a rumor. But I'm still hoping that they bring her back as human

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    • I personally think it was only that day that the Kraang Prime was Irma,all the other episodes were the actually Irma, they captured Irma and Kraang Prime did his thing, but she breaks out with her brains XD

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    • There may never have been a non-Kraang Irma, she may have been a completely made-up identity composed by Subprime...

      On the other hand, the Irma appearing in all the episodes prior to Invasion may have been human and only an imposter on that last episode.

      We have no way of knowing and I think the article should reflect that rather than draw conclusions one way or the other.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      There are some potential plot holes (fridge logic, if you will) in Irma's story. The real interesting question is, how else did "Irma" maintain her cover as a spy? If she was April's best friend for an entire year, then wouldn't it have been likely April has visited her home, met her family, and such? Were they a real human family just as much in the dark about "Irma" as April was? Or were they other Kraang in suits? "Irma" didn't just have to be April's best friend to spy on her—her being there necessitated the appearance of an entire life, with school, friends, home, and all the little everyday life details "she" would have had to maintain.

      I think there probably had to have been a real Irma, so that Kraang Prime could swap lives with her. But considering that, if it were a more realistic world, it's likely that the real Irma is long dead; beyond the usefulness of scanning her memories, they would have had no further use for her. Don't get me wrong—I'd like for her not to be dead; and this being a TV-Y7 show, there's relatively better likelihood she's not dead. But if she's alive, any number of things are possible. Personally, I would find it very ironic if they found the real Irma, but she and April had either never met or had never been friends.

      Another possibility is, the writers are going to let the fridge logic be, and leave the questions unanswered and the plot holes ignored. Because even though this is a show that they know plenty of adults my age (in my mid-30s) are watching (what with all the really old easter eggs), it's likely that even more of the audience are preteens. And Nickelodeon may figure that preteens either won't notice plot holes like that, or won't care about them.

      If we can see the plot holes, I am sure that children can as well. Nick might leave them alone however Irma might reappear in a future episode.

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    • The Kraang would not waste valuable genetic material. While in an emergency they might kill a human, in circumstances where they are utterly in control (and they would be when replacing Irma) they would simply kidnap the human and take them to a jail somewhere to experiment on them.

      My opinion is that Irma was human until Ho Chang, and that she has special psychic powers like April does, which is what drew them together. Some point after that and before Invasion she was replaced by Subprime.

      I cannot prove this true but...I wonder if anyone can prove me wrong.

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    • My hindsight impression was that what Ho Chan sensed in Irma was Kraang Subprime.

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    • I say they could be making a season 3 episode when we do find out that irma is real and she was kidnapped by the krangg and replaced by that droid spy. It's could be possible cause surely they know that we fans of the old 80s series expected irma to become another supporting friend of the turtles like back then.

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    • Ho Chan sensing subprime is one plausible explanation, yup, but still not confirmed. I'm still open to the Irma-is-real-and-more-psychic-than-April explanation which has not been falsified.

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    • I think it's totally possible that a real Irma is being held captive somewhere by the Kraang and I agree that there should be an episode in the new season where the turtles rescue her. Then she can become a new human friend:)

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    • Well, part-human, if she's like april then she might have Kraang DNA spliced into her.

      I'd actually like to see her get some bionic/cybernetic modifications from the Kraang, didn't Slash have some of those? Don could learn to like then, he could get intimate making repairs.

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    • from what i can see here. either irma was kraang subprime the entire time, or she was abducted and will appear again some time in the future as a new mutant. maybe a new mutant or maybe a revamp of an old one. maybe mona lisa?


      it is possible she was originally human and was abducted by the kraang in wrath of tiger claw, or that subprime was a leigitmately good spy. think if the idea that she ever existed, that would be the moment that worked. because it would have been simpler for subprime to involve himself and likely find the lair if he decided to follow casey or april at that moment.

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    • Thorondragon wrote:
      from what i can see here. either irma was kraang subprime the entire time, or she was abducted and will appear again some time in the future as a new mutant. maybe a new mutant or maybe a revamp of an old one. maybe mona lisa?


      it is possible she was originally human and was abducted by the kraang in wrath of tiger claw, or that subprime was a leigitmately good spy. think if the idea that she ever existed, that would be the moment that worked. because it would have been simpler for subprime to involve himself and likely find the lair if he decided to follow casey or april at that moment.

      I like those ideas and i never thought of  that; interesting.  

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    • I still hope she was kidnapped and replaced by that kraang spy. I hope at Nick,that's what they're planning to have happen in this season right now. 

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    • Gibbs615 wrote:
      I still hope she was kidnapped and replaced by that kraang spy. I hope at Nick,that's what they're planning to have happen in this season right now. 

      Or in season 4.

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    • It's funny how April's mother being replaced with a doppleganger hasn't wisened her up that an impersonator and an original can both exist.

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    • Maybe there's an upcoming episode that will answer our question. Gilbert Gottfried confirmed on his Facebook account that he's coming back as Kraang Subprime.

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    • Matteso586 wrote:
      Maybe there's an upcoming episode that will answer our question. Gilbert Gottfried confirmed on his Facebook account that he's coming back as Kraang Subprime.

      all I can say is awesome but I thought they said she wasn't coming back?

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    • Well, I don't find that inconsistent—she isn't coming back this time. Kraang Subprime is a he. :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Well, I don't find that inconsistent—she isn't coming back this time. Kraang Subprime is a he. :)

      I doubt we will ever see Irma again...... Sorry Irma Fans!

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    • MarioLuigiGCFan wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote: Well, I don't find that inconsistent—she isn't coming back this time. Kraang Subprime is a he. :)

      I doubt we will ever see Irma again...... Sorry Irma Fans!

      well hope stays eternal, I guess we can only hope that there is a real Irma somewhere in the universe. well this universe anyway.   

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    • I hope so too!

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    • Gibbs615 wrote:
      I hope so too!

      dido 

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    • She does exist, in the "Battle of New York" part 2 scene where the turtles are in the technodrome and sees a brunch of Human Hybrids working there's one who has the same outfit as the Irma bot disguise, meaning she's real.

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    • 89AnimeCoupleMaster wrote: She does exist, in the "Battle of New York" part 2 scene where the turtles are in the technodrome and sees a brunch of Human Hybrids working there's one who has the same outfit as the Irma bot disguise, meaning she's real.

      If that's the case, we could use a screenshot. :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      89AnimeCoupleMaster wrote: She does exist, in the "Battle of New York" part 2 scene where the turtles are in the technodrome and sees a brunch of Human Hybrids working there's one who has the same outfit as the Irma bot disguise, meaning she's real.

      If that's the case, we could use a screenshot. :)

      If you remember, in one of the episodes (I think it was either The Invasion part 1 or 2) there was a blonde woman who was dressed exactly like her, maybe that human hybrid was her and not a real Irma. Anyway, if Battle for New York is really the end of the Kraang storyline I doubt we will see a real Irma again. Sorry guys.

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      there's a drawing of what looks like a short-haired girl with glasses in that milk carton. Could it be?

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    • Tycio wrote:
      The Kraang would not waste valuable genetic material. While in an emergency they might kill a human, in circumstances where they are utterly in control (and they would be when replacing Irma) they would simply kidnap the human and take them to a jail somewhere to experiment on them.

      My opinion is that Irma was human until Ho Chang, and that she has special psychic powers like April does, which is what drew them together. Some point after that and before Invasion she was replaced by Subprime.

      I cannot prove this true but...I wonder if anyone can prove me wrong.

      I think that Irma was human until Pizza Face (but perhaps before then), because when the Pizza Delivery Boy crashed into Irma, it sounded like metal on metal. (I.e the Kraang robot body)...

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
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      there's a drawing of what looks like a short-haired girl with glasses in that milk carton. Could it be?

      I see your point, but that looks like a blond woman- even if it is in black and white.

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    • BlazeinBoots wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
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      there's a drawing of what looks like a short-haired girl with glasses in that milk carton. Could it be?

      I see your point, but that looks like a blond woman- even if it is in black and white.

      Yeah it does.

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    • Eh, but we need to have hope! I really want Irma back, i think that would be interesting. Plus, they could use that for drama for April instead of mutating her dad like last time....and the time before that...and the time before that...

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    • TMNTLover4Life wrote:
      Eh, but we need to have hope! I really want Irma back, i think that would be interesting. Plus, they could use that for drama for April instead of mutating her dad like last time....and the time before that...and the time before that...

      I think we should focus on one thing at a time XD.

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    • Well no one's denying it! So off topic here, but if Nick mutates April's dad again, I'm done.

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    • TMNTLover4Life wrote:
      Well no one's denying it! So off topic here, but if Nick mutates April's dad again, I'm done.

      Eh, hopefully they won't.

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    • Yeah, but I dont think they will. Cause Nick is smarter than that! Aren't you Nick *cough, cough*

      Okay, but seriously, I trust Nick there!

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    • I think I finally noticed the Kraang symbol on Irma. It's her hexagonal bracelets. The Kraang use hexagons as their symbol. A single hexagon may be like an individual cell of a hive. Seven hexagons together (like the TCRI logo) may represent the hive itself. If this was meant to be a foreshadowing sign of her Kraang involvement, then we should find out how early she's been wearing those bracelets.

      Now let's see... Irma's earliest appearance was in Season 1 Episode 11 Mousers Attack!, but only as a caller ID on April's phone. Her first appearance in person was in Season 2 Episode 4 Mutagen Man Unleashed. ...and yes, she's wearing the hexagonal bracelet on her right wrist. It may mean she's been Kraang in all of her appearances in-person. Of course, April has known her for longer than this, so I suppose it's possible Irma may or may not have been a real human in the first season, but was swapped out with Kraang Subprime during the second season.

      However, there's also April's realization in The Invasion, Part 1 that her best friend of the past year had been Kraang. Since the combined durations of seasons 1 and 2 took place in-story over the space of less than a year (the turtles turn 15 in Season 1 Episode 1 Rise of the Turtles, Part 1, and are still 15 in Season 3 Episode 4 The Croaking), Irma may have been Kraang since even before the pilot episode. We just don't know enough about the early Irma, since she only became a supporting character since season 2.

      But I think, if the hexagonal bracelets are a sign of her being Kraang, then it would be relatively safe to assume that she was Kraang Subprime in all of her in-person appearances—every single one. Damn. I still want them to meet human Irma.

      But there's still another piece of evidence that complicates the equation. That being, Irmabots were mass-produced, just like the Normans and the Mrs. Campbells. The question is, were these mass-produced models based on original human templates? Or were they original designs by the Kraang? If there was an original human Irma, there might also be an original human Norman and an original human Mrs. Campbell. Hell, they might have all three of them (and perhaps other human templates) imprisoned or frozen somewhere. Season 2 Episode 9 The Kraang Conspiracy had mass-produced Aprils, but those were biological duplicates rather than robots; however, it does establish that the Kraang have used human templates to mass-produce facsimiles.

      Alas, this is all speculation.

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    • BlazeinBoots wrote:

      Tycio wrote:
      The Kraang would not waste valuable genetic material. While in an emergency they might kill a human, in circumstances where they are utterly in control (and they would be when replacing Irma) they would simply kidnap the human and take them to a jail somewhere to experiment on them.

      My opinion is that Irma was human until Ho Chang, and that she has special psychic powers like April does, which is what drew them together. Some point after that and before Invasion she was replaced by Subprime.

      I cannot prove this true but...I wonder if anyone can prove me wrong.

      I think that Irma was human until Pizza Face (but perhaps before then), because when the Pizza Delivery Boy crashed into Irma, it sounded like metal on metal. (I.e the Kraang robot body)...

      Damn, you're right. Good attention to detail there!

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      BlazeinBoots wrote:

      Tycio wrote:
      The Kraang would not waste valuable genetic material. While in an emergency they might kill a human, in circumstances where they are utterly in control (and they would be when replacing Irma) they would simply kidnap the human and take them to a jail somewhere to experiment on them.

      My opinion is that Irma was human until Ho Chang, and that she has special psychic powers like April does, which is what drew them together. Some point after that and before Invasion she was replaced by Subprime.

      I cannot prove this true but...I wonder if anyone can prove me wrong.

      I think that Irma was human until Pizza Face (but perhaps before then), because when the Pizza Delivery Boy crashed into Irma, it sounded like metal on metal. (I.e the Kraang robot body)...
      Damn, you're right. Good attention to detail there!
      ) I have my moments...
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    • Irma appeared on April's pnone back in "Mousers Attack" before the Kraang knew where April was

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    • I STILL wonder if there's a REAL Irma! I still hope they're making a S3 or S4 episode when we DO finally find out.

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    • in the Invasion 2-parter, there was a whole army of Irmas for them to smash. it really feels like they're deliberately trying to piss us off now

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    • i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

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    • Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw


      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.

      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?

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    • Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.

      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?

      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v

      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?

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    • Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v
      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?

      I think it's unlikely, I believe they'll be too focused on Super Shredder's debut and how all that crime underworld conflict develops to give us a new human character that's neither a ninja nor a bad guy.

      But we still don't know who Dana DeLorenzo will be voicing in The Crypt of Dracula. Maybe this mystery character could be an inocent young woman who serves as victim to the king of vampires and, I guess, as April's psychic powers are getting too strong to be so easily manipulated this inocent young woman could be the real Irma. Dunno, but if I had to bet on something about Irma showing up as a real person I would put my money on that.

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v
      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?
      I think it's unlikely, I believe they'll be too focused on Super Shredder's debut and how all that crime underworld conflict develops to give us a new human character that's neither a ninja nor a bad guy.

      But we still don't know who Dana DeLorenzo will be voicing in The Crypt of Dracula. Maybe this mystery character could be an inocent young woman who serves as victim to the king of vampires and, I guess, as April's psychic powers are getting too strong to be so easily manipulated this inocent young woman could be the real Irma. Dunno, but if I had to bet on something about Irma showing up as a real person I would put my money on that.

      when will The Crypt of Dracula episode come out? just asking

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v
      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?
      I think it's unlikely, I believe they'll be too focused on Super Shredder's debut and how all that crime underworld conflict develops to give us a new human character that's neither a ninja nor a bad guy.

      But we still don't know who Dana DeLorenzo will be voicing in The Crypt of Dracula. Maybe this mystery character could be an inocent young woman who serves as victim to the king of vampires and, I guess, as April's psychic powers are getting too strong to be so easily manipulated this inocent young woman could be the real Irma. Dunno, but if I had to bet on something about Irma showing up as a real person I would put my money on that.

      and do you think there will be Venus in season 5?

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    • Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v
      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?
      I think it's unlikely, I believe they'll be too focused on Super Shredder's debut and how all that crime underworld conflict develops to give us a new human character that's neither a ninja nor a bad guy.

      But we still don't know who Dana DeLorenzo will be voicing in The Crypt of Dracula. Maybe this mystery character could be an inocent young woman who serves as victim to the king of vampires and, I guess, as April's psychic powers are getting too strong to be so easily manipulated this inocent young woman could be the real Irma. Dunno, but if I had to bet on something about Irma showing up as a real person I would put my money on that.

      and do you think there will be Venus in season 5?

      I don't think so, they just introduced Shinigami and they'll give us Alopex next. But If they ever give us new Venus (besides the painting on the Party Wagon) I think it would happen in season 6, or in the end season 5.

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Nidza majstor wrote:
      i think she is real in the episode The Wrath of Tiger Claw

      Nope, when we met the Utrom council Rook stated that she had created the Irma suit.
      do you think there is real Irma in 2012 cartoon?
      Well, not a real human named Irma who looks just like Rook's android body. But maybe they could come up with a whole new human character, this time fully named Irma Langistein, made to be an actual version of the '87 character instead of a Kraang :v
      maybe she (the real Irma) will appear in upcoming episode The Super Shredder  what do you guys think?
      I think it's unlikely, I believe they'll be too focused on Super Shredder's debut and how all that crime underworld conflict develops to give us a new human character that's neither a ninja nor a bad guy.

      But we still don't know who Dana DeLorenzo will be voicing in The Crypt of Dracula. Maybe this mystery character could be an inocent young woman who serves as victim to the king of vampires and, I guess, as April's psychic powers are getting too strong to be so easily manipulated this inocent young woman could be the real Irma. Dunno, but if I had to bet on something about Irma showing up as a real person I would put my money on that.

      and do you think there will be Venus in season 5?
      I don't think so, they just introduced Shinigami and they'll give us Alopex next. But If they ever give us new Venus (besides the painting on the Party Wagon) I think it would happen in season 6, or in the end season 5.

      why do you think so?

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    • Perhaps Rook modeled her 'droid body after a girl who was real decades or even centuries ago, merely updating the look now and again to match contemporary fashions. 

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    • Venus hadn't debuted Oct 2016? She is already doing a return in Worlds Collide...

      Where is evidence of Crypt of Dracula being ep?

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