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  • 2012 turtles will meet 2003 turtles

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    • no info on that, but they will meet the 87 turtles.

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    • JBolbotowski1 wrote:
      2012 turtles will meet 2003 turtles

      Dont believe everything you read on internet,because many are fan speculation.You must read the official sites(Comic con,Nickelodeon,).

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    • I would love to see it.

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    • Umm..... Turtles forever 2! sounds cool. But We know there will be one with the 1980s, But not with the 2003. But if both happened at the same time, and they went to TMNT prime or whatevs, That would be the best thing ever! But I have one Q. If the 2012 is CGI, but 2003 and 1987 are cartoon, then how would they look in each others dimension?

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    • SSM4Raphael wrote:
      Umm..... Turtles forever 2! sounds cool. But We know there will be one with the 1980s, But not with the 2003. But if both happened at the same time, and they went to TMNT prime or whatevs, That would be the best thing ever! But I have one Q. If the 2012 is CGI, but 2003 and 1987 are cartoon, then how would they look in each others dimension?

      Turtles forever 2 gonna be boring,they need do something of their own idea and not stealing ideas from 4Kids,and even they gonna make a movie like "Turtles forever"i hope they gonna not make the 2003 turtles stupid like "Turtles Forever" did with the 1987 turtles.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      SSM4Raphael wrote:
      Umm..... Turtles forever 2! sounds cool. But We know there will be one with the 1980s, But not with the 2003. But if both happened at the same time, and they went to TMNT prime or whatevs, That would be the best thing ever! But I have one Q. If the 2012 is CGI, but 2003 and 1987 are cartoon, then how would they look in each others dimension?
      Turtles forever 2 gonna be boring,they need do something of their own idea and not stealing ideas from 4Kids,and even they gonna make a movie like "Turtles forever"i hope they gonna not make the 2003 turtles stupid like "Turtles Forever" did with the 1987 turtles.

      Agreed about not making them stupid. I could not enjoy it as much.

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    • the 87 turtles are just gonna have a few lines and then there gone, basically it's just gonna be a cameo.

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    • Stop stealing from them this show is original!!!!!! The kraang are evil instead good guy utroms. Rahzor,Wingnut,Mutageonman,Slash,Foot robots  were in the 1987 series not 2003. If anything this show is a hardcore badass version of 87 but with a couple of surprising twists on characters like leather head they gave him a way darker background. The 2003 series is good but it was a little anime don't u think?

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    • no its not

      ninja turtles 2012 meet ninja turtles 1987

      like in 2003 met 1987

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    • the 2012 turtles are gonna meet the 1987 turtles but it's gonna be short, it will be more of a cameo appearence there gonna show up talk a little then there gone.

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    • Trigger009 wrote:
      the 2012 turtles are gonna meet the 1987 turtles but it's gonna be short, it will be more of a cameo appearence there gonna show up talk a little then there gone.

      Do you have the proof? If so then send me the link then

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    • SSM4Raphael wrote:
      Trigger009 wrote:
      the 2012 turtles are gonna meet the 1987 turtles but it's gonna be short, it will be more of a cameo appearence there gonna show up talk a little then there gone.
      Do you have the proof? If so then send me the link then


      ok just give me a sec to find the article.

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    • So according to that article, there will be another Parasitica-type episode in that Mikey goes against his brothers again. Also, it said that Splinter will face off against Tiger Claw. That is going to be awesome! Plus, having the newest TV incarnations meet with the oldest, granted it was already done in Turtles Forever, will be cool, too!

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    • SSM4Raphael wrote:

      Sugilita wrote:
      SSM4Raphael wrote:
      Umm..... Turtles forever 2! sounds cool. But We know there will be one with the 1980s, But not with the 2003. But if both happened at the same time, and they went to TMNT prime or whatevs, That would be the best thing ever! But I have one Q. If the 2012 is CGI, but 2003 and 1987 are cartoon, then how would they look in each others dimension?
      Turtles forever 2 gonna be boring,they need do something of their own idea and not stealing ideas from 4Kids,and even they gonna make a movie like "Turtles forever"i hope they gonna not make the 2003 turtles stupid like "Turtles Forever" did with the 1987 turtles.

      Agreed about not making them stupid. I could not enjoy it as much.

      I agree, too. That actually aggravated me. I grew up on the 80s Turtles, and how they were portrayed was a gross exaggeration.

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    • Exageration yes gross no!

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    • Creck555 wrote: Exageration yes gross no!

      Gross=huge

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    • Leofan13 wrote:

      Creck555 wrote: Exageration yes gross no!

      Gross=huge

      OKE! Lets not start a fight or anything

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    • SSM4Raphael wrote:

      Leofan13 wrote:

      Creck555 wrote: Exageration yes gross no!

      Gross=huge

      OKE! Lets not start a fight or anything

      Not trying to start a fight. Just explaining myself.

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    • acording to comic con it will be like turtles foreverin reverce

      this time the new turtles get stuck in the 80s univerce

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    • actually it's just gonna be a cameo. there gonna show up talk a little then poof gone.

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    • are you sure

      they said it will be a special

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    • yes, it will be an hour long special but it's not about teaming up with the 1987 turtles. it has a different story the turtles meeting each other will just be a smal little thing.

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    • awwww

      i was hoping to see kraang talk to krang

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    • i know right, that wouldve been so cool too see.

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote: awwww

      i was hoping to see kraang talk to krang

      That would have been a sight to see!

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    • i know well I can give u my interpretation

      What type of kraang is this that is in this place that is of kraangs place. 

      What r u saying (Croak!)

      Thats all I got!

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    • both shredders would die of annoyment

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    • Yeah I know it would be funny!

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    • I think kraang would say "Kraang, that which is known as a copy cat is standing in the place where kraang is standing" "What should we do to that whick is known as the coppy cat of kraang."

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    • SSM4Raphael wrote: I think kraang would say "Kraang, that which is known as a copy cat is standing in the place where kraang is standing" "What should we do to that whick is known as the coppy cat of kraang."

      How about this? "Krang is an imposter of Kraang. That which is known as Krang will be defeated by Kraang."

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    • Leofan13 wrote:

      SSM4Raphael wrote: I think kraang would say "Kraang, that which is known as a copy cat is standing in the place where kraang is standing" "What should we do to that whick is known as the coppy cat of kraang."

      How about this? "Krang is an imposter of Kraang. That which is known as Krang will be defeated by Kraang."

      "Oh shut up you wanna be! (croak)"

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    • When krang meets the kraang "Oh no it's the utroms don't let them take me away (Croak!) Sobs"

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    • Oh come on! 2012 turtles will meet the 2003 turtles!

      Now look! I'll prove it to you!

      TMNT 2012 & TMNT 2003
      See! See! That's what I tell ya!
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    • JBolbotowski1 wrote:
      Oh come on! 2012 turtles will meet the 2003 turtles!

      Now look! I'll prove it to you!

      TMNT 2012 & TMNT 2003
      See! See! That's what I tell ya!

      your joking right because that is fan art.

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    • i'd like crossover with 4 different versions of turtles

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    • Only four versions? That isn't enough. Let's also add the Mirage, Archie and Next Mutation versions.

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    • D.A.Martin wrote:
      Only four versions? That isn't enough. Let's also add the Mirage, Archie and Next Mutation versions.

      Nah i prefer the shows and the....greyish version in the top right corner what is that?

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    • The movie ones, specifically in the style of the 4th movie.

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    • I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 

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    • Creck555 wrote: I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 

      Perhaps have a cameo featuring the four versions together using the multiverse angle.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 

      The fourth movie is a sequel,or you like it or not,and the third movie is pure fail and lame.>:(

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Creck555 wrote:
      I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 
      The fourth movie is a sequel,or you like it or not,and the third movie is pure fail and lame.>:(

      hey. its just his opinion. calm down. don't fight.

      and i may not like the 4th one but its WAY better than the 3rd

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Creck555 wrote:
      I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 
      The fourth movie is a sequel,or you like it or not,and the third movie is pure fail and lame.>:(
      hey. its just his opinion. calm down. don't fight.

      and i may not like the 4th one but its WAY better than the 3rd

      Ok,but he dont need to yell how he hates this movie,because is a bit offensive for people who like this movie.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Kung fu frogz wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Creck555 wrote:
      I HATE THE 4TH MOVIE!!!! TO ME IT DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS A SEQUEL!!!!!!! And how are they gonna fit 4 versions in a 30/60 minute episode? 
      The fourth movie is a sequel,or you like it or not,and the third movie is pure fail and lame.>:(
      hey. its just his opinion. calm down. don't fight.

      and i may not like the 4th one but its WAY better than the 3rd

      Ok,but he dont need to yell how he hates this movie,because is a bit offensive for people who like this movie.

      don't start please.

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    • It isn't the 4th movie it is in it's own universe all by it's lonesome self and I got proof. In the movie turtles 4 ever one of the doors was that movie and the originals had there own door. Saying it's in the same universe is like saying the next mutation is in the same universe as the 2012 series.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      It isn't the 4th movie it is in it's own universe all by it's lonesome self and I got proof. In the movie turtles 4 ever one of the doors was that movie and the originals had there own door. Saying it's in the same universe is like saying the next mutation is in the same universe as the 2012 series.

      Sorry, but the fourth movie is the sequel to the third movie.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      It isn't the 4th movie it is in it's own universe all by it's lonesome self and I got proof. In the movie turtles 4 ever one of the doors was that movie and the originals had there own door. Saying it's in the same universe is like saying the next mutation is in the same universe as the 2012 series.

      dude.please. don't.

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    • Sugilita wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      It isn't the 4th movie it is in it's own universe all by it's lonesome self and I got proof. In the movie turtles 4 ever one of the doors was that movie and the originals had there own door. Saying it's in the same universe is like saying the next mutation is in the same universe as the 2012 series.

      Sorry, but the fourth movie is the sequel to the third movie.

      The 2007 CGI film is technically a sequel to the live-action films, but Kevin Munroe confirmed that the events of the live-action films didn't happen in the same way, Splinter's ears are intact, and the 2007 film was even shown as a separate continuity from the live-action films in Turtles Forever.

      I doubt my reasoning will end this argument, though. I'm never able to end ANY arguments that happen on this wiki. :(

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    • The next person to metion this will have their reply removed!

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote: The next person to metion this will have their reply removed!

      Mention what? The argument over whether the 2007 CGI film is canon to the original live-action trilogy?

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    • SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote: The next person to metion this will have their reply removed!

      Mention what? The argument over whether the 2007 CGI film is canon to the original live-action trilogy?

      yes. now everyone stop argueing!

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote: The next person to metion this will have their reply removed!

      Mention what? The argument over whether the 2007 CGI film is canon to the original live-action trilogy?

      yes. now everyone stop argueing!

      Okay, okay. We're shutting up now.

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    • Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

      I like the 2007 film, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion. He wouldn't be blocked unless he specifically said that fans of the 2007 film are stupid or liking it, and I haven't seen him say anything like that in the previous comics.

      People can say whatever they want about the media they dislike. They are only a-holes if they keep on assuming that other people are stupid if they don't agree with them. We all have our own opinions.

      I am a TMNT fan with my own guilty pleasures. I actually like Next Mutation, the third film, the Vacation in Europe and Red Sky seasons of the 1987 cartoon, and the Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer seasons of the 2003 cartoon in spite of many fans hating them.

      The one incarnation of TMNT I despise is the Operation: Blue Line video. The usage of the theme song and main cast of the 1987 show did not excuse the shoddy costumes, which are without a doubt the worst turtle costumes in a live-action TMNT production EVER. At least the ones used in the third film, Next Mutation, and those musicals tried to make an effort to look believable! The Blue Line suits look like amusement park mascot costumes!

      That's my opinion and I don't care whether anyone agrees or disagrees with me.

      I wish people would stop making a fuss over nothing.

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    • SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

      I like the 2007 film, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion. He wouldn't be blocked unless he specifically said that fans of the 2007 film are stupid or liking it, and I haven't seen him say anything like that in the previous comics.

      People can say whatever they want about the media they dislike. They are only a-holes if they keep on assuming that other people are stupid if they don't agree with them. We all have our own opinions.

      I am a TMNT fan with my own guilty pleasures. I actually like Next Mutation, the third film, the Vacation in Europe and Red Sky seasons of the 1987 cartoon, and the Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer seasons of the 2003 cartoon in spite of many fans hating them.

      The one incarnation of TMNT I despise is the Operation: Blue Line video. The usage of the theme song and main cast of the 1987 show did not excuse the shoddy costumes, which are without a doubt the worst turtle costumes in a live-action TMNT production EVER. At least the ones used in the third film, Next Mutation, and those musicals tried to make an effort to look believable! The Blue Line suits look like amusement park mascot costumes!

      That's my opinion and I don't care whether anyone agrees or disagrees with me.

      I wish people would stop making a fuss over nothing.

      i'm talking about the yelling and cussing.

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

      I like the 2007 film, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion. He wouldn't be blocked unless he specifically said that fans of the 2007 film are stupid or liking it, and I haven't seen him say anything like that in the previous comics.

      People can say whatever they want about the media they dislike. They are only a-holes if they keep on assuming that other people are stupid if they don't agree with them. We all have our own opinions.

      I am a TMNT fan with my own guilty pleasures. I actually like Next Mutation, the third film, the Vacation in Europe and Red Sky seasons of the 1987 cartoon, and the Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer seasons of the 2003 cartoon in spite of many fans hating them.

      The one incarnation of TMNT I despise is the Operation: Blue Line video. The usage of the theme song and main cast of the 1987 show did not excuse the shoddy costumes, which are without a doubt the worst turtle costumes in a live-action TMNT production EVER. At least the ones used in the third film, Next Mutation, and those musicals tried to make an effort to look believable! The Blue Line suits look like amusement park mascot costumes!

      That's my opinion and I don't care whether anyone agrees or disagrees with me.

      I wish people would stop making a fuss over nothing.

      i'm talking about the yelling and cussing.

      Real life doesn't have censors. We can swear as much as we wanna.

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    • SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:

      SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:


      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

      I like the 2007 film, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion. He wouldn't be blocked unless he specifically said that fans of the 2007 film are stupid or liking it, and I haven't seen him say anything like that in the previous comics.

      People can say whatever they want about the media they dislike. They are only a-holes if they keep on assuming that other people are stupid if they don't agree with them. We all have our own opinions.

      I am a TMNT fan with my own guilty pleasures. I actually like Next Mutation, the third film, the Vacation in Europe and Red Sky seasons of the 1987 cartoon, and the Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer seasons of the 2003 cartoon in spite of many fans hating them.

      The one incarnation of TMNT I despise is the Operation: Blue Line video. The usage of the theme song and main cast of the 1987 show did not excuse the shoddy costumes, which are without a doubt the worst turtle costumes in a live-action TMNT production EVER. At least the ones used in the third film, Next Mutation, and those musicals tried to make an effort to look believable! The Blue Line suits look like amusement park mascot costumes!

      That's my opinion and I don't care whether anyone agrees or disagrees with me.

      I wish people would stop making a fuss over nothing.

      i'm talking about the yelling and cussing.

      Real life doesn't have censors. We can swear as much as we wanna.

      no i mean its aganst the rules of wiki! i think The S said so.

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:

      SonofSamhain wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote:


      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well I still don't count it this film ought to join the likes of the millions of cartoon scooby doo movies and animated Tinkerbell films and go straight to DVD! Also...I DO WHAT I WANT WHEN I WANT IF I WANNA TALK ABOUT HOW TERRIBLE THE 2007 FILM THEN DAMMIT I'M GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      dude. i'm trying to keep you from getting blocked.

      but if your gonna be an a-hole about it then i hope they do block you!

      I like the 2007 film, but this guy is entitled to his own opinion. He wouldn't be blocked unless he specifically said that fans of the 2007 film are stupid or liking it, and I haven't seen him say anything like that in the previous comics.

      People can say whatever they want about the media they dislike. They are only a-holes if they keep on assuming that other people are stupid if they don't agree with them. We all have our own opinions.

      I am a TMNT fan with my own guilty pleasures. I actually like Next Mutation, the third film, the Vacation in Europe and Red Sky seasons of the 1987 cartoon, and the Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer seasons of the 2003 cartoon in spite of many fans hating them.

      The one incarnation of TMNT I despise is the Operation: Blue Line video. The usage of the theme song and main cast of the 1987 show did not excuse the shoddy costumes, which are without a doubt the worst turtle costumes in a live-action TMNT production EVER. At least the ones used in the third film, Next Mutation, and those musicals tried to make an effort to look believable! The Blue Line suits look like amusement park mascot costumes!

      That's my opinion and I don't care whether anyone agrees or disagrees with me.

      I wish people would stop making a fuss over nothing.

      i'm talking about the yelling and cussing.

      Real life doesn't have censors. We can swear as much as we wanna.

      no i mean its aganst the rules of wiki! i think The S said so.

      Oh, I'm sorry. I do have to say one thing, though: I learn more about wiki rules whenever someone makes a scene and is antagonistic to other contributors.

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    • Yeah well damn isn't a cuss word in my books. They said it in the first original film and it was PG so i would assume it's apropriate.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well damn isn't a cuss word in my books. They said it in the first original film and it was PG so i would assume it's apropriate.

      sorry dude. rules are rules

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Yeah well damn isn't a cuss word in my books. They said it in the first original film and it was PG so i would assume it's apropriate.

      sorry dude. rules are rules

      Even though it was in a PG movie, it is still a curse word. Sorry dude.

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    • Well what r u gonna do bout it? obviously your both not admins so it looks like i win BOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      Well what r u gonna do bout it? obviously your both not admins so it looks like i win BOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      no. we are not admins. but we CAN report you.

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Well what r u gonna do bout it? obviously your both not admins so it looks like i win BOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      no. we are not admins. but we CAN report you.

      That's telling him. I hate it when people think they can break the rules and get away with it.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      Well what r u gonna do bout it? obviously your both not admins so it looks like i win BOOYYYYYEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Creck,can you please stop to provoke the other users.

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      Awful inapropiate link.
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    • That's why I'm not entering there and remain in safe places like wikis with rules about such stuff. If you want to go to these dark trenches, go ahead but don't drag others.

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    • Geez, Creck555's disruptive behavior is like Geeky gril all over again!

      Should it be against the rules to insult people for having different opinions and being disreecrful? I think there should be.

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    • Ok now you guys are making stuff up! I never said "and you know what BLEEP U ALL!" All i did was leave a link to 4chan! And rules were made to be broken just ask Raphael. One last thing look up Shrek is love skrek is life on google images.

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    • Creck555 wrote:
      Ok now you guys are making stuff up! I never said "and you know what BLEEP U ALL!" All i did was leave a link to 4chan! And rules were made to be broken just ask Raphael. One last thing look up Shrek is love skrek is life on google images.

      STop dude!

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:

      Creck555 wrote:
      Ok now you guys are making stuff up! I never said "and you know what BLEEP U ALL!" All i did was leave a link to 4chan! And rules were made to be broken just ask Raphael. One last thing look up Shrek is love skrek is life on google images.

      STop dude!

      He's refusing to listen to our warnings. I think he should be blocked.

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    • All right sammy boy! calm down we don't wanna lose the greatest wiki editor around! Now fun is fun kiddos but i gotta make like a banna and split!

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    • Enda McNabola wrote:
      i'd like crossover with 4 different versions of turtles

      That would be the best thing EVER!

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    • how about ALL versions? Mirage,80s,90s movie, the next mutation,2003,2007,SAINW,archie,2012,and 2014 movie

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:
      how about ALL versions? Mirage,80s,90s movie, the next mutation,2003,2007,SAINW,archie,2012,and 2014 movie


      Y'know what would be hilarious? If they even added the "blue door" concept script. Y'know, TANT?

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    • we 

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote:
      we 

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      that

      ever.

      Understood. Sorry. I just meant as like an excuse for the characters to make fun of it.

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    • What about the anime based off the 1987 turtles?

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    • that would be the best thing ever to happen! I'm extremely obsessed with the 2003 series especially that SAINW thingy! I thought of a story, what if the 2012 turtles was transfered into the SAINW dimention along with the 2003 Donnie and they somehow prevent the death of the turtles.. call me insane but I totally like it, ah poor scenario, you will be buried inside my imagination forever

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    • Viacom/Nickelodeon seems to love things relating to the 1987 TV series, and less so things relating to the Mirage comics or the 2003 TV series. From a cold business standpoint, it makes sense—the 1987 TV series was enormously profitable, I think the Mirage comics never made huge amounts of money in the first place, and cartoon fans complained bitterly that the 2003 TV series wasn't enough like the 1987 TV series. NickToons will rerun episodes of the 2003 TV series once in a while as a "Turtle Nation" rerun block, but I don't think they do that every week, and otherwise that series doesn't seem to get much official love from them anymore.

      Sometimes I wish Peter Laird had never sold the property to Viacom.

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    • Do you like the new series? Cause that statement was kinda off-handedly bitter.

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    • Was it off-handed? Sorry, didn't mean it that way. This is more of a building long-term grievance about Viacom's handling of the property, of which the way it handles crossovers is only one part.

      The IDW comic is okay, and I liked the 2012 TV series for the first two seasons. But the show after that has been just terrible episode after episode, and the Michael Bay movies are so bad I don't have a single TMNT fan friend who doesn't loathe them. Story, plot, drama and stable character development are more important to me in TMNT than one-dimensional caricatures, bland dialogue, and an overemphasis on special effects and childhood nostalgia appeal at the expense of literary value.

      Mirage could occasionally do a bad comic, and the 2007 film wasn't the greatest either, but they were at least readable and watchable, and never became consistently bad the way two of Viacom's flagship TMNT franchises have become.

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    • Somebody doesn't know how to have fun... Like come on dude! Lighten up a little! Its Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Not Hamlet lol

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    • Sorry, I prefer TMNT to be a decent character-driven story that continually tells us new things about the characters, whether in dramatic fashion or in mundane slice-of-life ways. If it has none of that, it's just not TMNT.

      Even the 2003 TV series usually had interesting everyday character moments.

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    • Kung fu frogz wrote: Somebody doesn't know how to have fun... Like come on dude! Lighten up a little! Its Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Not Hamlet lol

      Gigameshkun doesn't believe a TMNT fan can like both the serious, adult stuff and silly, child-aimed stuff. It's serious, story driven or it's nothing.

      Like saying no one enjoys serious Batman and silly Batman, or serious Godzilla and silly Godzilla.

      At least, that's what the posts feel like.

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    • My appreciation of TMNT is that of an adult, but that's not to say I don't like some of their humorous moments. But more in a banter sort of way that eases tension and keeps them grounded.

      After all, one of the single most important elements in TMNT (when done right) is family, and families sometimes have humorous moments, but also have a lot of other kinds of moments ranging from lighthearted to totally serious.

      It's when TMNT has childish humor appeal at the expense of everything else that it loses my interest. The franchise should never forget its adult comic roots or adult niche audience.

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    • Zakor1138 wrote:

      Kung fu frogz wrote: Somebody doesn't know how to have fun... Like come on dude! Lighten up a little! Its Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Not Hamlet lol


      Gigameshkun doesn't believe a TMNT fan can like both the serious, adult stuff and silly, child-aimed stuff. It's serious, story driven or it's nothing.

      Like saying no one enjoys serious Batman and silly Batman, or serious Godzilla and silly Godzilla.

      At least, that's what the posts feel like.

      Nothing really annoys me more than people who can't tolerate the simple fact that not everyone has the same opinion. I, for one, enjoy the TMNT franchise as a whole, and that includes The Next Mutation.

      Whenever they make new adaptations or reboots, they're always going to change it because, frankly, making it exactly the same as what came before would be boring. Ergo, there will be times where the new version changes stuff and time where the tone changes between being comedic, serious, or a bit of both.

      I like dark stuff and silly stuff equally, but my preference is for comedy and drama to be evenly balanced. I can understand people being turned off by a show that's never serious, but it would also turn off potential fans if the work was too depressing and cynical with very little jokes to lighten up the mood.

      Everyone's going to have a different opinion no matter how much you complain about it.

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    • SonofSamhain: I don't disagree. I like a certain balance as well. I just think that, when the attempt at drama feels fake/wooden/one-dimensional, it's tantamount to there being no drama at all, so it doesn't have balance. Just as poorly-written comedy can fall flat and make the work unfunny, poorly-written drama can fall flat and make it undramatic.

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    • SonofSamhain: I also feel I should note that, you would only be the second TMNT fan I've ever encountered who likes all TMNT stuff equally. Most every TMNT fan I've ever met is very conditional in what kinds of TMNT they love and what kinds of TMNT they loathe. The TMNT fan who likes all TMNT works seems to be as rare as the fabled mutant turtle itself. So yeah, everyone needs to accept that other people have different opinions (we're faced with it all the time and still need to get along), but I can also see how it will not necessarily be easy for every last fan to maintain that enlightenment. For all those TMNT fans whose love for the franchise is conditional, to continue to be a TMNT fan is to well know extreme disappointment.

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    • I respect your opinion and see your point. Its just kinda like comparing The Dark Knight to the Adam West Batman. The Adam West one made Batman what he is today. If it weren't for the more silly show,Batman would have become just another obscure comic from way back when. So even if you're not a fan of the silly 60s show,you must at least give it some respect. The same can be said for TMNT. Do you really think they would be what they are today without the 80's show? While I personally prefer the more silly stuff of the 2012 show and the Paramount movies,I also find joy in the Mirage comics as well.

      You don't need to like it,just respect it.

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    • Gilgameshkun, I'm not bashing your opinions, I'm just saying that your comments make it seem that the only TRUE fans of the series are the ones who like the more serious stuff. You don't like the silly stuff? That's fine, but a lot of your comments are a bit condescending toward original cartoon fans. Even if you don't mean it, your comments do sound like it.

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    • That's what this is about? You really shouldn't take opinions as if they're an insult to your interests by virtue of disagreeing. TMNT fans are always going to disagree on all sorts of stuff. Here on Turtlepedia, we users are entitled to comment whatever criticism of works of fiction we please, within the rules of civility. What we are not allowed to do is be uncivil toward other users (personal attacks, etc.). And even strong criticism of a work of fiction someone else likes is not incivility. And in the TMNT fandom and multiverse, you're going to encounter criticism a lot, even from creators themselves. Some of the writers at Mirage in particular had plenty of disdain for the 1987 TV series, which would sometimes show through in the comics.

      Peter Laird has made it pretty clear he has no affection for the 1987 TV series, as Murakami-Wolf-Swenson shut out Mirage's creative input as much as possible, and the resulting TV series was more of an anti-TMNT with a style and substance largely opposite that of the comics. Adult TMNT comic readers not only couldn't warm up to the TV series, but became so embarrassed it existed that they became afraid to openly identify as TMNT fans because of the perceived creepiness of adults liking a franchise "for kids" that was never actually for kids. Now that those 1987 TV series fans have become adults themselves, that stigma has become less of an issue, but there's still a noticeable difference between adult TMNT fans who like TMNT through an adult lens and adult TMNT fans who like TMNT out of childhood nostalgia, because the two demographics don't always have a lot in common, so they often have different interests, different tastes, different priorities, etc.

      The 2003 TV series was another attempt at making an adequately child-friendly TV series more in the spirit of the comics, so that adult TMNT comics fans could appreciate it too, but it strove to discard most of the changes the 1987 TV series had made. It kept color-coded bandannas and a red-headed April, but not much else. (And if you watched Turtles Forever and sensed that it was repeatedly mocking and ridiculing the 1987 TV series, that's exactly what it was doing.)

      The 2012 TV series initially seemed to try to strike a balance between the appeal of the 1987 TV series and the appeal of the 2003 TV series and the Mirage comics. During the first two seasons, I'd say it mostly succeeded. But in season three, it went off the deep end and alienated every one of my TMNT fan friends, and then finally I couldn't keep enjoying it either. My friends and I are still pretty put off by what Nick's been doing to the franchise more recently. At least there's plenty of good comics and fancomics series still being published.

      So yeah, there's a good three decades of history of broken fanbases and polarized opinions in the TMNT fandom. Long-time TMNT fans learn to live with it, because it's been here for a long time in various forms, and it's not going to go away. But we should count our blessings—at least it's not nearly as bitterly broken as the Star Fox fandom. :) Now that has seen some really ugly times.

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    • Kung fu frogz: Batman also had a major tone shift in the early 1990s, and tried very hard to move away from the style and substance of the Adam West series, and successfully matured into the gritty franchise of the dark knight. TMNT keeps trying at various times to return to its serious roots and extend them to television and films, but there's always something that ends up derailing those attempts. That being, the 1987 TV series has a lot of adult fans who are nostalgic for their childhoods, but in practice, the more a version of TMNT tries to be like the 1987 TV series, the worse it turns out. Because, ultimately, the 1987 TV series was never really that good to viewers older than 10; it had maybe one or two halfway-decent first episodes, then it plunged into cheaply-written toyetic hell. The 1987 TV series was more of a bizarro version of TMNT, and Mirage and Turtles Forever have been right to mock and ridicule it.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Kung fu frogz: Batman also had a major tone shift in the early 1990s, and tried very hard to move away from the style and substance of the Adam West series, and successfully matured into the gritty franchise of the dark knight. TMNT keeps trying at various times to return to its serious roots and extend them to television and films, but there's always something that ends up derailing those attempts. That being, the 1987 TV series has a lot of adult fans who are nostalgic for their childhoods, but in practice, the more a version of TMNT tries to be like the 1987 TV series, the worse it turns out. Because, ultimately, the 1987 TV series was never really that good to viewers older than 10; it had maybe one or two halfway-decent first episodes, then it plunged into cheaply-written toyetic hell. The 1987 TV series was more of a bizarro version of TMNT, and Mirage and Turtles Forever have been right to mock and ridicule it.

      Thank you for ignoring my point completely. And the more it moves to the 80s show worse it turns out you say? Well you certainly have an...opinion. And so do your little buddies. And you certainly seem to despise something that made our beloved franchise popular.

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    • Kung fu frogz:

      The "And so do your little buddies" remark was inexcusably belittling. Please watch your interpersonal tone and avoid ad hominem attacks.

      My point was that we can criticize works of fiction all we want. But we have to be adults here—we can't personally attack each other. Keep your eye on the ball, and be civil to your fellow users. You'll have to mentally separate the criticism from the personal attachment and not take literary criticism personally. We're not here to be an echo chamber of universal praise and agreement, because the TMNT fandom honestly has never really been anything like that. We're in these forums to opine and discuss, and that's exactly what I've been doing.

      But yes, I do have a strong aversion to the 1987 TV series and its legacy. Have I not been saying that openly for years now? If it came down to choosing between artistic integrity and popularity, I'd choose artistic integrity, because popularity doesn't retroactively make a work good. You are within your rights here to like what you like, and I'm not saying you shouldn't. You're totally welcome to that—please, be my guest, and like what you like all you want. But there are very different kinds of TMNT fans with different experiences, and don't be surprised if we don't value all the same things. That is tolerance of differing opinion—it is not required that you agree, but only that you treat the speaker with respect, as you would like to be treated.

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    • Nice big words ya got there. But I will simply restate my point.

      You don't need to like it,just respect it. Like I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it. But I respect it.

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    • That's fair, and it's basically what I said. But I also said that users need to be civil towards each other, and ultimately you let that slip. The way you said "your little buddies" was very disrespectful as it was belittling to me and my friends.

      The topic of liking or rejecting the 1987 TV series is a very old fault line in the TMNT fandom anyway, and you are likely to encounter it again and again and again—if not with me, then with someone else. The history of the TMNT franchise has created so much irreconcilable fan division that ultimately no "core" TMNT topic is immune from criticism within the greater fandom. Move forward with that in mind, and don't let disagreement rile you, at least not so much that you feel another need to show disrespect.

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    • Fair enough. Sorry for getting a tad salty.

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    • All right. Thank you for your apology. :)

      I've been a TMNT fan for a long time. But I also know that there are plenty of TMNT fans who don't like the same things I do, so I take no real offense when they don't like it.

      It's been suggested that Mirage originally made some rather poor licensing decisions when they struck such deals with the likes of Murakami-Wolf-Swenson that gave them such carte-blanche creative control which MWS quickly used to completely shut Mirage out of the creative process. The decisions may have been enormously profitable, but MWS was in it first and foremost to make easy money, and both literary quality and faithfulness to the source material were readily sacrificed to make that happen. Lots of children grew up with the product of that decision, and it's no surprise they have fond memories of it. But for fans who were primarily into the comics, the success of that TV show became a nightmare. Now that we're all adults, we can find a way to live with those differences. But for better or for worse, those differences are still here to stay.

      Actually, the 2014 film is a good comparison to the way fans reacted to the 1987 TV series. The 2014 film was designed from the ground up purely to make money, and Michael Bay is good at making lots of money. What Michael Bay isn't good at—and doesn't pretend to be good at—is making good films. They attract ticket sales from the lowest common denominator (which is very profitable), but the critical reaction has been overwhelmingly negative—an abysmal 22% score at Rotten Tomatoes, and Megan Fox won the Golden Raspberry Award for Worst Supporting Actress. And it's not like they didn't know this would happen—ultimately, good critical reaction was simply never a priority, and it shows. Hell, Michael Bay's reputation for terrible film-making was acknowledged in the TMNT comics five years in advance:

      You are a moron and no longer my brother

      It would have been much funnier had it been published five years later, but then I wonder if Viacom would ever have authorized such a critical statement in a licensed TMNT comic, considering they have even been known to repeatedly veto Kevin Eastman's own ideas when he writes TMNT comics today at IDW Publishing.

      Still, all that said, it's easy to understand how some people who watched the 2014 film when they were very young will grow up remembering it fondly in the future, even as it was simply repulsive to the vast majority of existing TMNT fans. It's quite the similar sort of thing that contemporary TMNT fans experienced back in 1988. (The first season in 1987—just 5 episodes long—wasn't fantastic, but it wasn't quite so unfavorable either, though there were very obvious toy product placements like the Turtle Blimp with the "Turtles" logo on it.)

      And I know you won't necessarily agree with the assessment. I just thought it might be helpful and constructive to this discussion if you understood where we're coming from. And now we come full circle, and plenty of fans today have walked in similar shoes as the fans of three decades ago. :) Michael Bay is just another more modern Murakami-Wolf-Swenson—profitable as ever, divisive as ever.

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    • I personally enjoy the "Bay" films. Along with most other fans that i've seen. (Go check out the tumblr tmnt fandom. They love it.) But like you said,its for a new generation. 

      But I won't try to defend my honest to god opinion. It causes too many flame wars.

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    • No, I understand. Before now, I've met many TMNT fans who have great disdain for the 2014 film, but I'd never spoken to a fan who openly said they liked it. You don't have to defend your opinion. It's okay.

      But I guess that also means my analogy didn't work as well as I thought it might. It's a tad disappointing, but I'll live.

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    • Alright I'll explain why I enjoy the movies. The main reason:the turtles themselves. They act like an actual teenager would. They act like a (sometimes disfunctional) family. Sure they may get into arguements but they over came them! 

      "You live. You die. You fight as brothers. Nothing is as strong as family." 

      Another thing I enjoy is the new Bebop and Rocksteady. I understand that you probably wouldn't as you don't care for the 80s show but as someone who does...they are perfect. Their writing is well done,they encourage each other,they compliment each other and they look out for each other! This post on tumblr says it better than I could [1]

      BEBOP & ROCKSTEADY REVEAL 4

      Bebop & Rocksteady

      Sure they may be "comic relief" but they are much better written than they have any right to be.
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    • Hm, I see. Yes, I do rather like the family element. One thing I really liked about the earlier seasons of the 2012 TV series was that they actually acted like teenagers and they bantered well as a family. Since season 3, it's like they have no soul or substance to them anymore, like the dialogue is all so one-dimensional and wooden, and the characters themselves are more like caricatures now. My joke is, "Splinter was murdered, but everyone else died on screen." Anyway, back to the film.

      You're right that I don't necessarily care for Bebop and Rocksteady from the 1987 TV series. But I'm very fond of Bebop and Rocksteady from Archie TMNT. In that version, they actually went from being antagonists to peace-loving environmentalist allies...and then they moved to an Edenworld planet to live out their lives alone together completely naked. They're B&R if they were the friendliest gay couple you'll ever meet. :)

      I also liked how the 2012 TV series versions of Bebop and Rocksteady seemed to take a cue from the Archie versions, and made them appear gayer. Anton Zeck at first, who appeared to be a blatant expy of Hollywood Montrose from the Mannequin films, another flamboyantly gay black man who wears loud bright colors and shades wherever he goes. And then Ivan Steranko, first through some belligerent sexual tension, and then during their more affectionate moment just before the black hole killed them.

      I also think the IDW versions of Bebop and Rocksteady are rather interesting. They have personalities much like other versions, but they are far more violent and far more dangerous rather than the harmless villains they were in the 1987 TV series. This much was clear in the now-famous comic where Rocksteady attacked and mortally wounded Donatello.

      As for the film itself, at least one friend who's seen it thinks Bebop and Rocksteady are really gay in it. Now I'm actually a little curious how true that is. I'll have to ask more opinions to see how tolerable this movie actually is. I don't expect to enjoy it, but I'd at least like to know it won't be torture to sit through like everyone told me the 2014 film was.

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    • I can say that the newest movie is FAR superior to the 2014 film. Megan Fox isn't in it that much, the focus in on the turtles as a family,it knows what it wants to be (it is rather silly. but at least its not trying to be silly and dark at the same time),and yes. Bebop and Rocksteady have homosexual tension. At least thats how I saw it. (There's a friggin penis joke)

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    • I disagree the first film was better, the new one was a cluttered mess of stories being mashed together all in one. And the silly tone honestly didn't help, too much was going on and all at a fast pace, they went to point A to point D to point G etc. I did like Krang, i liked how big he was and i loved brad garret doing an over the top performance for krang cuz i think that's how krang is suppose to be but everything else was a mess, i liked bebop and rocksteady too but again the sillyness just wasn't working. This is all hard for me to say because i was so excited for this movie and the characters but it was too much stuff going too fast all at once, a lot of people keep praising how the writers went with one tone in the movie but that doesn't make the movie good, they picked a tone but they couldn't pull it off.

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    • Penis joke... That's certainly a lot more juvenile and lowbrow than the kind of thing I look for. Of course, with as old a meme as this has been...

      ...it was just a matter of time before someone did an even more off-color take on it.

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    • Well its good for couples to compliment each other about their neither regions. 

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    • Well, yeah, but I just wouldn't expect to hear it in PG-13. XD (Is that naïve?)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, yeah, but I just wouldn't expect to hear it in PG-13. XD (Is that naïve?)

      Yeah you can get away with anything really. As long as you don't outright call it them penises.

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    • How was what I said a "personal attack?" I just said that your posts come across as a bit condescending towards '87 fans. I even said it's ok to not like that stuff, but your comments keep doing the same thing over and over again: you hate the old cartoon, you try to prove the Mirage series is better, make a long winded post about it, etc.

      This is getting annoying. Maybe just to me, but I don't like that you have to prove to me that something is better. I have my own opinions, and I don't force people into changing theirs. I don't even like the '87 series that much, but I really don't like people with a "holier than thou" attitude.

      As someone wiser than me has said: "If you're ANYWHERE out there and just going down the list of threads to voice your ever-important negative opinion: please reconsider. Yes, you're entitled to it. But constantly? One after another? That's just not interesting to read for anyone but yourself."

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    • Zakor1138:

      I was talking about the possibility of other users feeling personally attacked by my criticism of shows they happen to like. It was a reminder that criticism of works of fiction is totally allowed here.

      And if you don't like my criticism style, you can skip over it. It's not like it has to affect you in any way. We're adults here.

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    • I would LOVE to see the Nick Turtles meet the 2003 Turtles!!! Just imagining how the teams would interact would be comedy gold. But the real reason I want to see that is that both of them are the best versions of TMNT after the first one.

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    • Shell22 wrote:
      no its not

      ninja turtles 2012 meet ninja turtles 1987

      like in 2003 met 1987

      they meted 1987 turtles in Trans-Dimensional Turtles episode and i think sometime in season 5 they will meet 2003 turtles and i hope they will also do a crossover with sonic boom

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    • i would like to see turtles forever 2 and 2012 turtles to meet:2003 turtles and turtles from 2007 movie what do you guys think?

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    • SpiVenger wrote:
      Enda McNabola wrote:
      i'd like crossover with 4 different versions of turtles
      That would be the best thing EVER!

      i agree!

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    • Nidza majstor wrote:
      i would like to see turtles forever 2 and 2012 turtles to meet:2003 turtles and turtles from 2007 movie what do you guys think?

      It would be the best thing happening in my whole life.

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