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  • In this edit, User:Original TMNT Cartoon Fan raises a good point—sometimes "city" is not the most appropriate term for a populated place. What do you think we should do? Create separate categories for such populated places by scale? Or just rename Category:Cities to something more all-encompassing of localized populated places?

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    • Proposal 1: Create "Category:Cities, towns and villages"



      Proposal 2: Create "Category:Cities and towns" and "Category:villages"



      Proposal 3: Create "Category:Populated places" or "Category:Settlements"



      Proposal 4: Create "Category:Populated places" or "Category:Settlements" with subcategories "Category:Cities and towns" and "Category:villages"



      I don't think people coming here for the TMNT fandom should need to think of the difference between a city and a town, lke this:

      https://www.grammarly.com/blog/city-town-village-difference/

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      I decided to check to see what conventions Wikipedia uses for this, and it appears to be that the primary parent category for this kind of distinction is Category:Populated places, and the corresponding article is human settlement. However, populated places do not just include cities, towns or villages, but also neighborhoods of larger cities, or cities within metropolitan areas and conurbations. Legally delineated populated places can be called municipalities, but somehow I don't think real world legalese is always the best foundation to distinguish Turtlepedia categories unless it becomes a lot more relevant in-story.

      So, in my opinion? Let's go with Category:Settlements. Short and to the point. But I'd still like to hear what The S thinks about it.

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    • Incidentally, The S, are you doing all right? There's been a certain chaos lately, and it would be nice to know if my fellow editors are doing well.

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    • Human settlements is a very bad term for places like Peblak, Smada City and Zott. Better to go for just settlements instead.

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    • Yes, of course, just "settlements." You know Wikipedia—without proof that other sentient settled species sxist, all settlements of people are assumed to be settlements of humans.

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    • I like option 4 best.

      Things have been rough this year so far. I just got out of hospital and was technically dead for a minute on Tuesday. Tried to keep visiting here on my laptop but the Wi-Fi there is garbage. My mother was in hospital for 9 days in the beginning of February and then I got food poisoning a couple of weeks after that so I wasn't really feeling it last month, either. I wanna put some procedures in place so that y'alls don't have to rely on my availability (or lack thereof) for answers. Haven't gotten the impact personally of COVID-19 yet, although things are closing around the city, state, and really the globe at this point. It's unprecedented, at least in my lifetimes.

      How are you folks? Hangin' in there?

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    • That's...that's horrible, The S. Right now I'm most concerned with your health and well-being.

      And yes, there really should be mechanisms in place that allow this place to run in your absence. I just hope it's never an unplanned abrupt permanent absence. Preferably any permanent absence on your part should involve you voluntarily retiring from the position with grace.


      Right now, I'm fine, perhaps only mildly sick, trying to make my food supplies stretch while there's still a run on grocery stores. Doing an all right job for the time being.


      And yes, I would say Category:Settlements, but I would dispense with the distinction between cities, towns and villages, and have Category:Neighborhoods as a subcategory. I'm not entirely confident about distinguishing towns and villages, because sometimes one culture's small town is another culture's village and it's a difference of conventions in terminology. Some neighborhoods in large cities are also characterized as villages.

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    • Hope you feel better soon, the S. 

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    • I'm still not comfortable with the distinction between village and town. Still seems too subjective. But for now, I'll create Category:Settlements and set up category migration templates to start with.

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    • All right, that category seems to be progressing nicely. Now, whether to subdivide it into other categories by cities, towns and villages is another matter. I personally don't think it's the best idea because of the subjective and contextual distinctions between the terms.

      • It is possible for a city to be very small and have a small population, though cities are generally understood as being urban in character. Near where I grew up, there is a city-island called Ebeye with only 15000 people, but situated on only about eighty acres of land and densely populated; it very much has an urban character. Even my own island with a lot fewer people had a downtown area and bus routes.
      • Similarly, places that are officially classified as towns can be as large as cities, and in some places (like the British Isles), the distinction between city and town has traditionally been an arbitrary legal difference, with towns being granted the special title of city regardless of whether other towns become much larger than them over time.
      • And the term village is ambiguous not only because it varies by region—a town in the United States is still usually called a town rather than a village no matter how tiny and rural it is—but because there are both urban and rural uses of village, with urban examples including the East Village, Greenwich Village, "gay villages," etc. When located in the U.S., it seems like places called "villages" are actually more likely to be urban than rural, and actual rural "villages" are applied instead to tiny rural settlements in other countries or in a historical or archaeological context.

      "Settlement" is a term without so many regional or cultural connotations.

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    • Thanks mates

      It is kind of iffy on some places. For example, the city I live in, is without a doubt a city, but goes by the nickname "T-Town".I think there's a difference between coloquial use of terms and regular usage (i.e. gay villages being more of a sexual ghetto or neighborhood than an actual village).

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    • I thought you lived in the San Juan Islands.

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    • Tacoma.

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    • I see.

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    • A FANDOM user
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