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  • There's news about a new female turtle - Jennika. https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/07/09/sophie-campbell-shares-concept-art-for-jennika-tmnts-new-female-turtle/

    With her being in development at the moment, how would you all picture her not only in the comics, but also outside of it?

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    • I hope to see her in the cartoon after Rise, they could just have her be there from the start.

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    • I really would hope that it'd still be Jennika throughout and not just... everyone doing their own "fifth, female turtle" in every incartnation going forward.

      Some sort of cohesion and uniformity would be ideal.

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    • Yeah keep it Jennika.

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    • I'd rather switch her mask from yellow to green or white. Plus way cool weapons like steel fans.

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    • No, Yellow is prefect, and she has claws like Wolverine that's cooler then some fans.

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    • What about her personality and character type?

      Leo - leader Donnie - does machines Raph - cool but rude Miley - party dude Jennika - ?

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    • Read more of the comic to learn more about Jennika's personality. She had a troubled youth and was often in trouble, and spent some time in prison. Her time in the Foot Clan tempered her, but she was an assassin who killed people, and in many ways is less innocent than the Turtles themselves. Her later time with Splinter and the Turtles taught her humility, but also gave her a sense of belonging (see What is Ninja?). Where she was previously loyal and honorable to a fault to the Shredder, she is now so to Splinter and his sons, and takes her position seriously. In this sense she is rather like Leo, but where Leo chiefly looks after his brothers, Jenny is still more of a professional clan ninja. She and Casey have also recently been developing feelings for each other. (April and Casey used to date, but they broke up years ago.)

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    • Come to think of it, in many of these ways Jenny could be compared also to Miwa, except that neither Shredder nor Splinter claimed her as a daughter, she isn't nursing the psychological wound of her mother having been killed by either of them, and she's also more mature and not as prone to the kinds of thrill crimes or reflexive vindictiveness that Miwa was. So where Miwa was a lot like a female Raph but with a darker streak, Jenny is more like a female Leo but with uncleaner hands.

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    • So would you say she's tomboy-ish or what?

      What is her personality in a few words?

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    • Wonder how Jennika interacts with April.

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    • She probably only exists to please the fans who wanted a female turtle in tmnt. Instead of giving Venus a chance and create a better backstory, design and personality. They decided to make a completely new female turtle character.

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    • Jennika is a better backstory, design and personality. Venus was an abortion of a character design.

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    • Any ideas for Jennika outside the comics to make her part of the turtle team?

      I would like for Hamato Miwa (not Karai) to be mutated while she was an adopted child, after her parents were murdered by Shredder, Kraang & the Foot.

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote: Any ideas for Jennika outside the comics to make her part of the turtle team?

      I would like for Hamato Miwa (not Karai) to be mutated while she was an adopted child, after her parents were murdered by Shredder, Kraang & the Foot.

      Technically April is the fifth turtle of the team. The tmnt's great ally,friend and big sister. I don't know why they felt the need to add a fifth turtle to the original foursome.

      What role Jennika could have? Hard to tell.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Jennika is a better backstory, design and personality. Venus was an abortion of a character design.

      Yes, but it gives me the impression that they only mutated her for fanservice.

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    • The S wrote:
      I really would hope that it'd still be Jennika throughout and not just... everyone doing their own "fifth, female turtle" in every incartnation going forward.

      Some sort of cohesion and uniformity would be ideal.

      I'd rather they only did the fifth Turtle thing occasionally, instead of making it a part of every incarnation. 

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    • Sugilita: It depends on whether a fan is serviced or not. The best thing they could have done was develop Jennika as a complex likable character who is known for the kind of person she is and what she can do a lot more than what she looks like or which men are in her life. If Jennika were disproportionately a sex object, I'd consider that fan disservice. In this sense, it never actually mattered whether Jennika was male or female when she mutated—by now she was already family, and she fits like a glove.

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    • Am I the only one who thinks the yellow makes this image very striking?

      Jennika bandana
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    • Bmwfan2015: I don't recall April and Jennika interacting terribly much. But that's partly because of how IDW has handled the characters. April is still an important ally, but of all the human supporting characters, she has become one of the least involved in the Turtles' everyday lives, and it's been this way for a few years now, especially since she started working with Baxter again. Of the humans which the Turtles can count as friends recently, even Angel, Casey, Harold and Jenny are shown interacting with them in person more often then April is. If April communicates with them at all, it's usually over the phone or webcam from her workplace. And when Jenny was critically wounded and needed help, it was actually Lindsey of all people who helped the Turtles handle Jenny's situation in person, though that's also because Lindsey had access to some of Hob's stash of ooze which could have been used to heal Jenny the way it had previously healed April's father John. What has April been so busy doing? Keeping a close eye on Baxter at TCRI where they work together, and more recently working as an aide for his New York City mayoral election campaign. What it really is is a long term game of chess between two chessmasters, but it unfortunately has kept April too occupied to have that many moments interacting with Jennika.

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    • So the SDCC cover for TMNT 95 sold out fast.

      https://twitter.com/IDWPublishing/status/1149476730089771010

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    • You sure they can’t switch her weapons? Nothing elegant?

      What would you do to change the theme song with Jennika in it? What about giving her a K-Pop vibe to put into TMNT? Sorry I just love K-Pop and J-Pop.

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    • Jennika's been using her claw weapons since her introduction years ago.

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      You sure they can’t switch her weapons? Nothing elegant?

      She wasn't trained with fans, she was trained in sword fighting, how to use a bow and arrow, and how to fight with claws, it wouldn't make sense to change her weapon(s).

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    • I realized what her character type is, she's loyal.

      She was loyal to the Foot Clan, then she became loyal to Splinter and the Turtles.

      And that makes her a good second in command, which is what her role on the Turtles might be.

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    • The TMNT Twitter are now getting on the hype train of Jennika.

      https://twitter.com/TMNT/status/1149680087161348097

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    • If they did the same thing as with ROTTMNT with differentiating the turtles species, what turtle would you have Jennika be based on?

      - Leo: Red-eared slider turtle

      - Donnie: Softshell turtle

      - Raph: Snapping turtle

      - Mikey: Box Turtle

      - Jennika: Sea turtle? Arrau turtle?

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    • Sea Turtle.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sea Turtle.

      A sea turtle would fit her!

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    • Do you guys think she might become the second in command for the Turtles?

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Do you guys think she might become the second in command for the Turtles?

      I thought Donnie is the second in command.

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      If they did the same thing as with ROTTMNT with differentiating the turtles species, what turtle would you have Jennika be based on?

      - Leo: Red-eared slider turtle

      - Donnie: Softshell turtle

      - Raph: Snapping turtle

      - Mikey: Box Turtle

      - Jennika: Sea turtle? Arrau turtle?

      Chinese golden thread turtle.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Do you guys think she might become the second in command for the Turtles?
      I thought Donnie is the second in command.

      Was it ever said that Donnie was second in command?

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    • Sophie Campbell's answer about the Yellow Bandana after I asked her.

      https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1149762189944745985

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    • New cover for issue 95.

      https://twitter.com/BlackCapeComics/status/1149771063049560064

      It has Jenny as a Turtle on it.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sophie Campbell's answer about the Yellow Bandana after I asked her.

      https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1149762189944745985

      True, she had blonde hair, so a yellow mask makes sense.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      If they did the same thing as with ROTTMNT with differentiating the turtles species, what turtle would you have Jennika be based on?

      - Leo: Red-eared slider turtle

      - Donnie: Softshell turtle

      - Raph: Snapping turtle

      - Mikey: Box Turtle

      - Jennika: Sea turtle? Arrau turtle?

      Chinese golden thread turtle.

      Why? Let me guess... her human haircolor, is that right?

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      If they did the same thing as with ROTTMNT with differentiating the turtles species, what turtle would you have Jennika be based on?

      - Leo: Red-eared slider turtle

      - Donnie: Softshell turtle

      - Raph: Snapping turtle

      - Mikey: Box Turtle

      - Jennika: Sea turtle? Arrau turtle?

      Chinese golden thread turtle.
      Why? Let me guess... her human haircolor, is that right?

      Pretty much and this species of turtles are cute and pretty.

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    • Am I corrected in saying that in the IDW TMNT universe there is no way of reversing being mutated right?

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Am I corrected in saying that in the IDW TMNT universe there is no way of reversing being mutated right?

      Not unless there's retromutagen.

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    • Is that a thing the comics?

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    • Bebop and Rocksteady temporarily retromutated in Hit the Road, but it was just a spell by Savanti Romero.

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    • So no then.

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    • There's also possibly Hun, who was mutated from a human into an even stronger human (a human mutant), but in his most recent appearances has been appearing more gaunt. Don't know what's going on with him. So, we still don't know if retromutation is really possible, no.

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    • Was that in the IDW comics?

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    • Yes.

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    • So reversing being mutated is a thing in the comics?

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    • The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.

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    • Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.

      I think she should stay as a turtle.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.
      I think she should stay as a turtle.

      I agree.

      And if Jennika had more weapons in her arsenal, what would you picture her posessing besides just claws?

      - Leo: twin katana & odachi

      - Raph: sais & tonfa

      - Mikey: nunchaku, kusarigama, sansetsukon

      - Donnie: bo staff - techno bo, halberd & yari staff

      - Jenny: ?

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.
      I think she should stay as a turtle.
      I agree.

      And if Jennika had more weapons in her arsenal, what would you picture her posessing besides just claws?

      - Leo: twin katana & odachi

      - Raph: sais & tonfa

      - Mikey: nunchaku, kusarigama, sansetsukon

      - Donnie: bo staff - techno bo, halberd & yari staff

      - Jenny: ?

      A katana, bow, and arrows.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.
      I think she should stay as a turtle.
      I agree.

      And if Jennika had more weapons in her arsenal, what would you picture her posessing besides just claws?

      - Leo: twin katana & odachi

      - Raph: sais & tonfa

      - Mikey: nunchaku, kusarigama, sansetsukon

      - Donnie: bo staff - techno bo, halberd & yari staff

      - Jenny: ?

      A katana, bow, and arrows.

      Those are nice, but anything that can be more suited?

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.
      I think she should stay as a turtle.
      I agree.

      And if Jennika had more weapons in her arsenal, what would you picture her posessing besides just claws?

      - Leo: twin katana & odachi

      - Raph: sais & tonfa

      - Mikey: nunchaku, kusarigama, sansetsukon

      - Donnie: bo staff - techno bo, halberd & yari staff

      - Jenny: ?

      A katana, bow, and arrows.

      Maybe Jennika will want to be human again.

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote: The reason I'm asking is because I've seen some people on Twitter who think they will just turn her back to human.

      Would be cool for Jennika to be human again.
      I think she should stay as a turtle.
      I agree.

      And if Jennika had more weapons in her arsenal, what would you picture her posessing besides just claws?

      - Leo: twin katana & odachi

      - Raph: sais & tonfa

      - Mikey: nunchaku, kusarigama, sansetsukon

      - Donnie: bo staff - techno bo, halberd & yari staff

      - Jenny: ?

      A katana, bow, and arrows.
      Those are nice, but anything that can be more suited?

      But she already has those.

      Jennika mutation
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    • It's a noticeable detail how Jenny doesn't lose her human cultural sense of modesty just because she doesn't appear to have all the same concern coverage areas anymore. The four male turtles are practically naked.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It's a noticeable detail how Jenny doesn't lose her human cultural sense of modesty just because she doesn't appear to have all the same concern coverage areas anymore. The four male turtles are practically naked.

      If she appear in cartoons I still want her to have the cloths, ever if she wasn't a human in the cartoon.

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    • Just something I need to point out, they aren't called just "claws", they are called "tekko kagi".

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      So reversing being mutated is a thing in the comics?

      Sorry if I was unclear, but not really, no. Well, sort of - there was a group of mercs who had devices that could control the amount of mutagen in their bodies, which allowed them to shift between mutant and human form.

      The rest of the mutants don't want to be unmutated, so the topic has never really come up.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It's a noticeable detail how Jenny doesn't lose her human cultural sense of modesty just because she doesn't appear to have all the same concern coverage areas anymore. The four male turtles are practically naked.

      Heh, yeah, it would probably be a bit much to go from wearing some pretty all-concealing clothes to "I'm basically wearing a few straps, and not strategically placed ones either." Clothes would probably be comfortable in their familiarity.

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    • If Jenny was to appear in future cartoons should she be there from the start or show up later on in the show?

      Also should she still start out as a human or should she start out as a normal turtle?

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    • Honestly, the only way she fits into IDW is because they've had almost half their run so far to develop her as a character before turning her into a Turtle. If they put her in a TV show, she would probably just end up a Smurfette.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It's a noticeable detail how Jenny doesn't lose her human cultural sense of modesty just because she doesn't appear to have all the same concern coverage areas anymore. The four male turtles are practically naked.
      If she appear in cartoons I still want her to have the cloths, ever if she wasn't a human in the cartoon.

      Only females are obliged to wear clothes?

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    • Easol1 wrote: Honestly, the only way she fits into IDW is because they've had almost half their run so far to develop her as a character before turning her into a Turtle. If they put her in a TV show, she would probably just end up a Smurfette.

      ^ This.

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    • I don't think so.

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    • Easol1 wrote:
      Honestly, the only way she fits into IDW is because they've had almost half their run so far to develop her as a character before turning her into a Turtle. If they put her in a TV show, she would probably just end up a Smurfette.

      Very true.

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    • Easol1 wrote: Honestly, the only way she fits into IDW is because they've had almost half their run so far to develop her as a character before turning her into a Turtle. If they put her in a TV show, she would probably just end up a Smurfette.

      It depends on who's writing the cartoon.

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    • They better do something special for Jennika in later incarnations. Whether human transformed into a turtle or the other where she was an ordinary turtle mutated.

      Including what she does in her daily life than just fighting.

      Leo: Leader & later sensei

      Raph: Tough guy with attitude

      Donnie: The brains & machinist

      Mikey: Partygoer yet dumb, creative, annoying & into pop culture

      Jennika: ?

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote: They better do something special for Jennika in later incarnations. Whether human transformed into a turtle or the other where she was an ordinary turtle mutated.

      Including what she does in her daily life than just fighting.

      Leo: Leader & later sensei

      Raph: Tough guy with attitude

      Donnie: The brains & machinist

      Mikey: Partygoer yet dumb, creative, annoying & into pop culture

      Jennika: ?

      We will see what Jennika is in upcoming comic issues.

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    • How about, in a future version of TMNT, anywhere between one and all four of the turtles are gender-flipped in the design stage? Donatella, Leonarda, Michelangela or Raphaella could be a thing. They'd be like any other group of siblings that includes both brothers and sisters. And then a fifth sibling like Jennika could still be part of this group.

      Also, most versions of Mikey have not necessarily been super-dumb. That was one of the worst mistakes 2K12 ever made with his character design. I mean, I can understand someone with realistically below-average intelligence, but 2K12 took it to extremely buffoonish Patrick Star levels. I prefer Mikey having a level-headed and heart-felt wisdom, perhaps combined with a penchant for art and/or writing. He can make mistakes, but he's never needed to be that serially clueless.

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    • Do you guys think it's possible they will retcon Miwa into the comics, as being their older sister who died before they were born, and Jennika is her reincarnation?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      How about, in a future version of TMNT, anywhere between one and all four of the turtles are gender-flipped in the design stage? Donatella, Leonarda, Michelangela or Raphaella could be a thing. They'd be like any other group of siblings that includes both brothers and sisters. And then a fifth sibling like Jennika could still be part of this group.

      Also, most versions of Mikey have not necessarily been super-dumb. That was one of the worst mistakes 2K12 ever made with his character design. I mean, I can understand someone with realistically below-average intelligence, but 2K12 took it to extremely buffoonish Patrick Star levels. I prefer Mikey having a level-headed and heart-felt wisdom, perhaps combined with a penchant for art and/or writing. He can make mistakes, but he's never needed to be that serially clueless.

      I hated 2012 Mikey for being an annoyance. Just hope next series her starts off immature to being serious and no longer an idiot all the time. I can picture in a future season with Leo being sensei after Splinter, with mankind now knowing their existence and everything being at war, Leo banishes Mikey from the group for not taking things seriously all the time. He makes friends with runaway kids and protects them.

      Back to Jennika, I hope to see what her development will be like in the next issue.

      NO GENDER BENDING ON THE FOUR!

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    • Not a fan of gender-bending either. The core four don't need any drastic changes.

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    • First of all, it's not "gender bending." It's designing a character as a different gender from the design stage. At most, it's gender flipping. Not hugely different in concept from the 2016 Ghostbusters movie, and I actually like that movie more than the 1980s movies.

      And why no gender flipping? It's not like turtles in general really even have visible sexual characteristics, and the rest is sex chromosomes, hidden internal biology and gender identity (whether cis or trans).

      One thought experiment I made years ago was that 2K12 season 1 Raphael could have been born female all along and no one knew. The theory being, if a male turtle and female turtle can't casually be told apart in real life, then maybe a male mutant turtle and female mutant turtle might not be told apart either. Splinter raised four completely unknown mutant children, and he either guessed their gender or relied on them to gender identify themselves to him (the latter probably being more likely), and by the time it was in any way clear whether any of them were cisgender or transgender, their identities were set. (Personally, I think the four 2K12 turtles were cis men, but the thought experiment is still a worthy one.)

      Right now even Jennika in her mutant form appears to have lost all her visible sexual characteristics, and only identity and clothing are setting her apart as female.

      A rebooted character for a redesigned continuity wouldn't necessarily be completely the same as their equivalents from previous continuities. In that respect, no gender flipped character is gender flipped in-universe anyway, let alone "gender bent."

      And I don't think gender flipping necessarily changes everything as much as you might be afraid it does.

      Take 2K12 Raph and 2K12 Karai, who had such extremely similar personalities: If Karai had been raised by Splinter, she'd be a sister Raph, and if Raph had been raised by the Shredder, he'd be basically another Karai.

      (Sorry, I have to end my message prematurely because I just had an unrelated painful injury.)

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    • Back to the talk of Jennika please.

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    • What are we hoping for Jennika in the upcoming issues?

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    • I suspect she won't fully deal with the ramifications of her transformation until after the main arc is over. I'm expecting her to struggle with it some immediately, but the main angst and trouble to be left until the dust has settled some and she's had some time to think. I'm also wondering how Splinter is going to react.

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    • Easol1 wrote:
      I suspect she won't fully deal with the ramifications of her transformation until after the main arc is over. I'm expecting her to struggle with it some immediately, but the main angst and trouble to be left until the dust has settled some and she's had some time to think.

      I'm also wondering how Splinter is going to react.

      Yeah in full honesty they should she give her a full arc about her trying to deal with the change.

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    • Kevin Eastman covers for 95 + a stand alone image of Jennika as a turtle by him as well.

      https://twitter.com/kevineastman86/status/1150108519099719680

      Update here's one with that image of Jenny not colored in yet.

      https://twitter.com/kevineastman86/status/1147453171675123718

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    • Bmwfan2015:

      I did touch on the matter of Jennika lacking visual sexual characteristics. Now as a mutant turtle, without any clothing, she is indistinguishable from a male mutant turtle. Real turtles also by and large lack obvious external sexual characteristics, which is why it can be so difficult to determine their sex.

      And me bringing up the issue of gender flipping was entirely relevant. In The Next Mutation, there were four male turtles and one female turtle and she was treated like a prize to be won by a male. Because of that unfortunate legacy, some people wondered if something similar would happen to Jennika, and people unfamiliar with the IDW story may have been wondering if she was another Venus de Milo. However, in a future newly conceived TMNT continuity, if there's a great gender balance among the siblings (such as if half of them were male and half of them were female), and they are all raised as equally loved in a family, then there may be an opportunity to bury sexist tropes that have unfortunately been used in the past.

      Jennika is already a start towards this, as her portrayal thus far has been anything but sexist. She is a balanced, admirable young woman who can hold her own and does not exist to be anyone's prize. Even her chemistry with Casey has been handled well, as all their interactions have been based on mutual respect. But it takes good writers to continually shepherd her in this role—in the wrong hands, with there being one of her and four brothers, she could easily risk being a Smurfette, with the associated sexist tropes. Even such a character theoretically being a badass ninja can undermine her if she is far more disproportionately sexually stereotyped or objectified than the male characters around her. There being at least two sisters makes this kind of Smurfette trap at least a little harder to fall into.

      Practically everything Jennika is or has done has not relied on her gender to make or break her character. She became a Foot Assassin on her own merits. She became Splinter's chunin on her own merits. And the fatal injury that necessitated her mutant blood transfusion was the result of an attempt to negotiate and make peace with Karai on her own initiative—she failed, but her attempt was noble and courageous. She is not an unfeminine character, but neither is she an object. She is someone who acts and is portrayed as any man or woman's dignified equal, and that matters.

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    • Still not in favor of the gender-flipping. The characters ain't broke and thus do not require fixing, and more female characters wouldn't necessarily fix problems of how female characters are depicted.

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    • I suppose you may be right about depiction. I don't always have an imagination for how bad a story can get, which is probably why it can still gall me.

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    • Who here hopes Jenny will become a mainstay in Turtles for now on?

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    • Other cover by Eastman with Jenny as a turtle.

      https://twitter.com/comicsandponies/status/1150471461808644096

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    • So the new image shows that she will have the bow and arrows as well in the comics.

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    • Easol1: What you seem to be failing to understand is that the suggestion does not imply that the characters as they currently exist are in any way "broken." Every rebooted version of a character has differences from their previous incarnations who are all fundamentally separate individuals. In the IDW TMNT continuity, when male Tatsu was rebooted as female Natsu, it did not mean that Tatsu was "broken"—it just meant that Natsu was a reimagined version of him as a woman. And gender flipped character reboots are not that uncommon: Starbuck and Boomer in Battlestar Galactica, Watson and Moriarty in Elementary, and a woman (a woman of color, no less) has even recently been announced to be the next 007 in the James Bond series. If a character is rebooted as a different gender, then that character is not being changed or "fixed" in the new universe—it's how they are designed to be in that universe from the start. Though their design draws from a preexisting template, they are also a new and separate person. But what gender flipping reboots can do is reshuffle (or reapportion) a gender balance, especially if a previous version's cast was lopsidedly one gender. Even if gender balance isn't an issue, a gender flip can just introduce a familiar template with a new variation in character dynamic.

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    • Issue 97 cover with all five Turtles on it.

      https://twitter.com/KaelNgu/status/1150776279827771392

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    • Power Rangers? Pass.

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    • Nobody likes Power Rangers. XD

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    • Power Rangers fans do.

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    • Oh, some people certainly like Power Rangers, and I'm sure they might enjoy such a crossover.

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    • Venus and/or Jennika are not going to be in the crossover.

      https://twitter.com/ThatRyanParrott/status/1150901140873080832

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Nobody likes Power Rangers. XD

      Linkara might disagree with you. And hey, it's a franchise that has lasted awhile, so clearly someone does. 

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    • Hasbro lilked Power Rangers enough to pay $5000 dollar to buy all of Power Rangers.

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    • So Nickelodeon who doesn't want a new Turtle with an artist name.

      https://twitter.com/TomWaltz/status/1151574115670560769

      Because of what happen with Venus.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      So Nickelodeon who doesn't want a new Turtle with an artist name.

      https://twitter.com/TomWaltz/status/1151574115670560769

      Because of what happen with Venus.

      Interesting tweet! Thanks for sharing it.

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    • Darth0Gonzo: The funny thing is, Venus was not named after an artist. She was named after a statue. Which was a problem with her character design—the male turtles were named after people famous for what they could do, while Venus was named after someone famous for her looks. Maybe she wouldn't have been such a problem if the male turtles were similarly objectified and named after subjects known for their looks, like Farnese (Hercules), or (Michelangelo's) David, or Adonis, or Fabio.

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    • Actually, this could work.

      • Leonardo could be renamed Farnese after the Farnese Hercules, because one of Hercules' labors was the Nemean Lion, and Leonardo's name means "lion-bold." He could be called Farn or Farny for short.
      • Raphael could be renamed Fabio, or Fab for short, because he's just that fab in his own mind.
      • Donatello could be renamed Adonis, or Donnie for short, because...okay, I didn't have to think hard for that one.
      • Michelangelo could be renamed David after Michelangelo's David. He could be called Dave or Davy for short.

      If it wasn't clear, this was a humor post. :)

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    • i hope this character is not going to end up like what am thinking

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    • Since I've been reading Jennika's story since she was introduced, I can only easily think of her in that context. Thus far, she has been written very, very well. Chianli, what are you thinking of?

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    • I just hope she'll be in the popularity ranks. Even expand Jenny's horizons besides just fighting.

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    • Well, I can say with a high degree of confidence that Jennika is not Venus de Milo—full stop. Jennika is not a reboot, not a reimagining, but a new original character. There's no real comparison between the two characters other than both being teenage girl mutant ninja turtles, so I think it's important for people to throw away any and all assumptions they have going into this if their only real frame of reference is Venus de Milo. It seems Viacom has indeed taken a position forbidding Venus de Milo from being rebooted as a character, which in practice puts them on the same page as previous franchise owner Peter Laird who famously loathed Venus de Milo. And Viacom has gone further, even forbidding new teenage girl mutant ninja turtles being named after art topics, to put as much distance from Venus de Milo as possible. Sophie Campbell's otherwise respectably-written yellow-clad sister turtle, Artemisia (Artie for short, named after an Italian Baroque period woman artist), was also officially rejected for this reason, though she is still one of the main characters in Sophie's unofficial webcomic Secrets of the Ooze.

      That said, it's clear that TMNT #95 has drawn an abrupt intense interest in what kind of character Jennika is, and who she could become in the future. I think it would help to improve her article, Jennika, with details, and especially expand Jennika/Gallery with more scenes illustrating who she has been as a character. I'll have to go back and flip through issues to find good candidates for a pictoral record of her. Most of her issues have also been fully transcribed in text on the wiki, and there's also What is Ninja? which is simultaneously a lecture by Splinter about what ninja truly are, and a pictoral telling of Jenny's past before joining the Foot Clan.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, I can say with a high degree of confidence that Jennika is not Venus de Milo—full stop. Jennika is not a reboot, not a reimagining, but a new original character. There's no real comparison between the two characters other than both being teenage girl mutant ninja turtles, so I think it's important for people to throw away any and all assumptions they have going into this if their only real frame of reference is Venus de Milo. It seems Viacom has indeed taken a position forbidding Venus de Milo from being rebooted as a character, which in practice puts them on the same page as previous franchise owner Peter Laird who famously loathed Venus de Milo. And Viacom has gone further, even forbidding new teenage girl mutant ninja turtles being named after art topics, to put as much distance from Venus de Milo as possible. Sophie Campbell's otherwise respectably-written yellow-clad sister turtle, Artemisia (Artie for short, named after an Italian Baroque period woman artist), was also officially rejected for this reason, though she is still one of the main characters in Sophie's unofficial webcomic Secrets of the Ooze.

      That said, it's clear that TMNT #95 has drawn an abrupt intense interest in what kind of character Jennika is, and who she could become in the future. I think it would help to improve her article, Jennika, with details, and especially expand Jennika/Gallery with more scenes illustrating who she has been as a character. I'll have to go back and flip through issues to find good candidates for a pictoral record of her. Most of her issues have also been fully transcribed in text on the wiki, and there's also What is Ninja? which is simultaneously a lecture by Splinter about what ninja truly are, and a pictoral telling of Jenny's past before joining the Foot Clan.

      This is gonna be tough to convince the media to keep Jennika. It's tough to make a good female turtle for their approval.

      What's worse it yellow being April's signature. What are they gonna do? Change it? Maybe April go lime green instead.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Since I've been reading Jennika's story since she was introduced, I can only easily think of her in that context. Thus far, she has been written very, very well. Chianli, what are you thinking of?

      oh thank god

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    • the reason i said that is bc.....well....do you know the meaning of......well this*SJW*

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    • Chianli: First of all, the term "SJW" is extremely derogatory. Secondly, what's wrong with social justice? TMNT has a long history of social and environmental justice stories.

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    • Bmwfan2015: Thing is, April has been far less present in the IDW story for some time now. She hardly ever visits the turtles in person anymore, though she remains an important standby ally. There are other humans we've seen more often for a while, including Jennika, Casey and Angel.

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      Bmwfan2015: Thing is, April has been far less present in the IDW story for some time now. She hardly ever visits the turtles in person anymore, though she remains an important standby ally. There are other humans we've seen more often for a while, including Jennika, Casey and Angel.

      I just hope both Jennika & April will work together outside the comics. Once Jennika's successful.

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    • Jennika has already succeeded wonderfully as a human character. One of the best things they could have done was developing her so much for so long before mutating her. I didn't expect it to happen, but it already fits her like a glove because she's become such close family.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Jennika has already succeeded wonderfully as a human character. One of the best things they could have done was developing her so much for so long before mutating her. I didn't expect it to happen, but it already fits her like a glove because she's become such close family.

      So I guess she’s another Leo then. Nothing else to put in her repitiore?

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    • Re: The term 'SJW'

      The term is not "extremely derogatory". Originally it was meant to describe a person who acts abusive or fanatical while trying to fight for social justice. Hence the "warrior" in "social justice warrior". I'm aware lots of people misuse the term to describe anything progressive, but that doesn't invalidate its original meaning.

      In any case, I think people were wary of a female turtle being introduced for ulterior motives. If, for example, she only appeared in order to act as a vehicle for mean-spirited political messages (eg. the widely-mocked female Thor comic), then it would make a lot of people upset and harm the writing. Same thing if she was introduced solely for sex appeal or as a romantic interest (eg. Venus). If she was just a one-dimensional character whose only defining trait was her gender, then it would just be bad writing.

      However, from what little reading I've done on this (I'm just a passerby who watched some cartoons, not familiar with the actual comics), I understand that Jennika is actually a fully fleshed-out character, rather than any of the poorly-written things I described. It's refreshing to see a prominently featured female hero who actually stands on her own as a character rather than simply being fanservice, a marketing tool, or a mouthpiece for a writer with an axe to grind.

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    • thats good to hear

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    • Actually, the term was used positively during the Civil Rights Movement half a century ago to describe devoted activists of social justice. But it came back into use starting with a certain nasty movement a few years ago whose name is two words that start with G. Then and since, I have only ever seen or heard the term used as a derogatory epithet, and never as a term of detached criticism. In today's world, it's an extremely loaded term which doesn't really have a place in civil, respectful discussion.

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    • Bmwfan2015: Her story—and character development—aren't over yet. Give her time (and good writers).

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    • What I want to know is will she say Cowabunga and eat Pizza?

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    • She's a human girl in New York City—of course she eats pizza. But "cowabunga" is used very sparingly in the IDW continuity.

      Oh now that's just wrong

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Actually, the term was used positively during the Civil Rights Movement half a century ago to describe devoted activists of social justice. But it came back into use starting with a certain nasty movement a few years ago whose name is two words that start with G. Then and since, I have only ever seen or heard the term used as a derogatory epithet, and never as a term of detached criticism. In today's world, it's an extremely loaded term which doesn't really have a place in civil, respectful discussion.

      Actually, it was in use MANY years before that movement, and not in a complimentary way, long before any current movement; it referred to people who abused others in the name of social justice. Some people refer to themselves that way now, though.

      Simply put, the problem is that social justice is less an ideal that is striven for than a dogma that is badly flawed because, to put it bluntly, most of the people who espouse it are terrible, hypocritical and bigoted themselves. Their goal is not equality and justice, but to ignore some injustices in favor of others rather than protesting ALL injustices. 

      I don't use the term "sjw" because it's mostly been hijacked by man-children who freak out when a woman or a non-white person appears in a movie. But the term used to refer to a toxic kind of person who used social justice as a weapon and a method of self-glorification. Those people are very real, very active in various fandoms, and they are not friends to storytellers.

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    • What type of dynamic do you think Jennika will bring to the Turtles?

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    • IhDarth0Gonzo wrote:
      What type of dynamic do you think Jennika will bring to the Turtles?

      It is to be hoped that she doesn't change the existing dynamic between the brothers too much, but I'd like to see her getting more comfortable with them. Previously she always seemed acutely aware that they were the sons of her master, so there was a kind of formality there, as well as a fascination with them (What is Ninja? features her following all four of them and observing them). So I'm hoping she becomes more laid-back around them.

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    • Social justice is an important good in society, and the term you speak of did originally have a positive connotation, not a negative one as you think, though fell out of use and has become overwhelmingly negative and derogatory today. And if someone seeks social justice using counterproductive methods, then they are worthy of criticism for that. But social justice itself is no vice—trying to achieve a more just world for all is one of the highest virtues there is, as it is intrinsically tied to the protection of civil and human rights and equality.

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    • i know

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    • Sophie Campbell will be take over writing and drawing the TMNT comics starting with issue 101.

      And she showed an image of Jennika when she revealed it.

      https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1152342026236628993

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    • Tom Waltz quit??????

      Hopefully not. :(

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    • Or he's just taking a break from the comic for the moment.

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    • I have no reason to doubt Sophie Campbell's abilities. She's very good at what she does.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Social justice is an important good in society, and the term you speak of did originally have a positive connotation, not a negative one as you think, though fell out of use and has become overwhelmingly negative and derogatory today. And if someone seeks social justice using counterproductive methods, then they are worthy of criticism for that. But social justice itself is no vice—trying to achieve a more just world for all is one of the highest virtues there is, as it is intrinsically tied to the protection of civil and human rights and equality.

      I didn't deny that it had an originally positive meaning, but the use of it to criticize has been around for more than a few years.

      And I didn't criticize the concept of social justice. I merely feel that the people who claim to be devoted to it are pretty uniformly awful, to the point where I have literally only seen a handful of social justice people who are capable of not attacking others or denigrating them for their religion, race, gender, etc. 

      Like I said, it's become a dogma rather than an ideal, and dogmatic people do not debate, they do not listen, and they seek out "sinners" to punish.

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    • Well, congratulations to Ms. Campbell! I'm looking forward to seeing what she has in store, especially in character development after what I'm sure will be pretty harrowing chapters.

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    • Okay so I read Kevin Eastman's recent interview about Jennika, and he revealed that having a female turtle in the comics has been an idea for three years. Why?

      “We love the idea of strong women. We love the idea of strong female characters in our series, as well as all the comic series and movies. So we introduce her as this character in issue 51. Every issue we brought her back and we loved her more and more. And then around issue, between 60, 65 we had this idea. Because we wanted a girl turtle. We go to comic conventions, you know fans, we have these lovely young ladies that come up and you know, we got Captain Marvel and you got these things where they go, ‘When is there gonna be a girl turtle?’ And Tom and I are like, ‘We've been planning it for three years now.’ And so, just as it worked out storyline-wise, issue 95 was the moment to bring that to be.”

      So, fans kept asking and then female centered things like Captain Marvel began popping up and so they were like 'okay, let's do it. Let's do it right'. Jennika was originally envisioned as the human she was and the turtle idea came later. She's also permanent, btw, no temporary mutation for her.

      I honestly don't think she'll replace Venus and make people forget about her. For all we know Jennika can become so popular that more attention is shone onto Venus and who knows? Maybe the IDW writers will rescue her from the depths, although I think they don't actually own her. Here's what Kevin Eastman said when asked about Venus and if anything about her will cross over to Jennika:

      "Well what's interesting is the difference--like Venus is now 20. That context is 20-something years old. It was 1997 when that came out. But now it's a new spin. It was an interesting time because we were still in control but we were sharing the control with Haim Saban, and [he had] success with the Power Rangers. I'll say a term as endearing as I can, the campiness of the Power Rangers is what made those [shows] so popular. So he wanted Turtles to take the turn more like a live-action cartoon as opposed to trying to find a balance. I think the resistance there came from the hardcore fans because that was the first version after the original animated series.

      The fans were not happy. They didn't like Venus as a character. It was sort of put in their face and the show was way too campy. I loved the series, I worked very hard on it. But it just didn't resonate with the fans."

      So there you go. Also my personal opinion; Jennika is a great character and I would love to see more and what they do with her, but I think she's IDW exclusive. Unless she gets really, really popular and there's demand to see her in Rise or a mention of her in a movie I don't think she'll appear outside the media she is in. And that's okay.

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    • I do hope we still get plenty of April and Angel.

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    • By the way, does anyone know if the third toe on Jennika is going to be an actual thing in the comics, or was that just Ms. Campbell's take on the design? I find it an interesting idea that there are some subtle physical differences between the human born and animal born mutants.

      I also saw someone online complaining that she looks too much like the male turtles. Gee, maybe that's because male and female turtles DO look alike, and she isn't going to have breasts or visible hips due to now being a reptile?

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    • Easol1 wrote: By the way, does anyone know if the third toe on Jennika is going to be an actual thing in the comics, or was that just Ms. Campbell's take on the design? I find it an interesting idea that there are some subtle physical differences between the human born and animal born mutants.

      I also saw someone online complaining that she looks too much like the male turtles. Gee, maybe that's because male and female turtles DO look alike, and she isn't going to have breasts or visible hips due to now being a reptile?

      She doesn't have the 3rd toe in the comics.

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    • Easol1:

      Did you notice the third toe in the concept art doesn't yet appear in the comic art? The moment Jenny mutated, she had two toes on each foot, not three. Could be off-model, but we'll just have to wait and see.

      I totally expected male and female turtles to look alike, because most real turtles have no obvious secondary sexual characteristics. Sometimes you can't tell unless you do an internal inspection. I actually liked that Jenny doesn't look very different physically, as her gender will be reliant on how much she chooses to show it. Knowing who she already is—a hetero cis woman who very capably relies on her own gender-neutral strengths—it's very possible her noticeable gender differences may be minimal. That's okay. Compare Artemisia from Sophie's unofficial webcomic Secrets of the Ooze, who also showed no obvious visual gender differences.

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    • Personally, I am rather very skeptical about this particular character and the direction where the IDW team is currently going with this right now. What I am about to say is perhaps not a very popular opinion and I wouldn't be surprised if I get some heat for it. As I said, I am rather skeptical of the Jennika character. I've seen some people say that she is an established and developed character, and while the former is something I can say is a fact-- developed is something I would say she is something lacking, but keep in mind, this is my personal opinion.

      She's been around for forty five or more issues so far, and her only notable moments are that she had killed Darius Dun, then later attempted to assassinate Master Splinter only to be beaten by him and then later worked on to undo the indoctrination and way of thinking of the Shredder, and then later propped up to be Casey's rebound girl which goes on for a number of issues, and then made a babysitter when Michelangelo brough the orphans to the Foot clan. Then later on she was gutted, and then mutated by a blood transfusion...

      I mean to me, that's Jennika in a nutshell for forty five or more issues and I don't see a lot of development which a lot of people saying she had gone through. Also, I just have no real investment towards the character and I'd like to think I've given her a chance to do that. IDW's writing team has given us a plethora of wonderfully written female characters with colorful personalities but I just feel like Jennika falls flat in development and personality. To me, she's rather bland for the reasons I mentioned above. I just don't see what everyone else sees about her.

      As for this direction? Honestly... I am not a fan of this creative choice, and I'm hoping she isn't a permenant fixture but if she is, then I really hope the IDW writing team redeems this character for me. I'm swallowing a very hard pill here and just feel as if four was a good number for the Turtles. That's what's been the status quo and worked for thirty years. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. You know?

      But if she is permenant, then I just hope she's not an official member of Clan Hamato and is more aligned with the Foot clan or joins Alopex and Angel's team. They could use a third member. Form an all female fighting team which compliments the brothers. I just feel she'll be filling the role of Venus (sans the romance aspect) if she is inducted with the brothers, in that her gimmick is the girl Turtle... Make her a more loosely affiliated ally than a full on member, so that the dynamicism of the four brothers isn't tampered with too much.

      Just my two cents anyway...

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    • Giger Van Gogh:

      Well, there is one more very noteworthy thing about Jennika. The oft-overlooked story What is Ninja? is chiefly about her. It mostly tells her story with pictures, but those details say a lot, giving a glimpse into her head. I also remember her role in Fox Hunt, where her loyalty to Splinter went beyond the merely theoretical into real life-or-death decisions regarding Kitsune and Alopex that were Jenny's own decisions to make as a character. And while it's true that Jenny perhaps hasn't had quite as much opportunity to differentiate herself as a character as a few of the other women characters in the IDW series, perhaps all she needs is a good story that gets into her head even more. I already liked Jenny when issue #95 happened. It's hard not to. And all things considered, a less restrained writer could have written her much, much worse before now.

      Also, I wouldn't even come close to characterizing Jenny as "Casey's rebound girl," and I would think it demeaning and dismissive to do so. Casey and April broke up a long time ago now, and Casey has been single since then. From what I've seen, this is Casey and Jenny coming into their chemistry on their own where April is not even a serious question mark. The story doesn't use April as a character that often anymore, either, outside of dealing with Baxter and TCRI ("meanwhile" scenes, etc.). Honestly, when Casey started dating Jenny soon before IDW's City at War started, I wasn't comparing Jenny to April at all—I was comparing her to Gabrielle, and wondering if Jenny would become the mother of a rebooted version of Shadow Jones, which now seems less likely.

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    • Giger Van Gogh, you really should read What Is Ninja?, like Gilgameshkun mentioned, which outlines pretty much Jennika's childhood, teen years and young adulthood, and pretty much shows WHY she's been so fiercely loyal to the Foot Clan. They were the first group that welcomed her, to which she "belonged" and which, from her perspective, took care of her. They gave her purpose and a home.

      It also kind of explains her attachment to Splinter and the Turtles. Splinter is the kind of fatherly figure that she never had, while the Turtles are figures that inspire her.

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    • Giglameshkun: I have almost all of the IDW issues which are in my long boxes in my closet, aside from the annual which explains the Savate and their history but that aside, I have almost every book which IDW has put out. I hadn't mentioned What is a Ninja because I simply plain flat out forgot about it. Hey, it's a fact of life that you're not going to remember everything which you read but I do recall the overall gist of that little narrative which were in the TMNT Universe books. I just had happened to forget about them but to me, aside from that little back story-- and again, this is my opinion, they really didn't do much with her aside from putting her in a few fights with a couple of crime families and fighting against the Triceratons, but then they later regulated her to being a babysitter.

      I just really find no investment towards this character for whatever reason, despite the little backstory which she has in What is a Ninja. Like I said, I think they should've done more with her than just have had her attempt to assassinate Splinter, then get defeated by him and later had Shredder's brain washing undone, and then put her up to be a love interest for Casey. She just doesn't resonate with me like Alopex, Angel, Kitsune, April, Lindsey and the other female characters have.

      To me, she's just kind of flat and whether they do something with her, and it's likely they will-- we're gonna have to wait and see. But I will say this, I think they really should've given Venus a second chance. She's been done dirty in the past, and she's still being done dirty now-- what's sad is that I know the IDW team can redeem a character like that but they didn't.

      Unpopular opinion but... I would've much preferred Venus.

      EaSol1: Like I was telling Gilgameshkun, I have a lot of, if not almost all of the issues of IDW's TMNT run and have read What is a Ninja but I just completely forgot about it. And yes, she's had something a rough childhood, hung out with the wrong crowd and everything and then later joined the Foot clan but it seems like her defining character trait is loyalty. Just. loyalty. And while that is something of a very admirable trait for a person to have, there just doesn't seem to be much there for her personality. She's not as colorful in that department as the rest of the other characters in the run which to me, doesn't really make her all that interesting. If the IDW writing team can redeem her.... More power to them. But I am pretty skeptical about this, and I don't see anything wrong with being skeptical.

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    • Giger Van Gogh wrote:
      Giglameshkun: I have almost all of the IDW issues which are in my long boxes in my closet, aside from the annual which explains the Savate and their history but that aside, I have almost every book which IDW has put out. I hadn't mentioned What is a Ninja because I simply plain flat out forgot about it. Hey, it's a fact of life that you're not going to remember everything which you read but I do recall the overall gist of that little narrative which were in the TMNT Universe books. I just had happened to forget about them but to me, aside from that little back story-- and again, this is my opinion, they really didn't do much with her aside from putting her in a few fights with a couple of crime families and fighting against the Triceratons, but then they later regulated her to being a babysitter.

      I just really find no investment towards this character for whatever reason, despite the little backstory which she has in What is a Ninja. Like I said, I think they should've done more with her than just have had her attempt to assassinate Splinter, then get defeated by him and later had Shredder's brain washing undone, and then put her up to be a love interest for Casey. She just doesn't resonate with me like Alopex, Angel, Kitsune, April, Lindsey and the other female characters have.

      To me, she's just kind of flat and whether they do something with her, and it's likely they will-- we're gonna have to wait and see. But I will say this, I think they really should've given Venus a second chance. She's been done dirty in the past, and she's still being done dirty now-- what's sad is that I know the IDW team can redeem a character like that but they didn't.

      Unpopular opinion but... I would've much preferred Venus.

      EaSol1: Like I was telling Gilgameshkun, I have a lot of, if not almost all of the issues of IDW's TMNT run and have read What is a Ninja but I just completely forgot about it. And yes, she's had something a rough childhood, hung out with the wrong crowd and everything and then later joined the Foot clan but it seems like her defining character trait is loyalty. Just. loyalty. And while that is something of a very admirable trait for a person to have, there just doesn't seem to be much there for her personality. She's not as colorful in that department as the rest of the other characters in the run which to me, doesn't really make her all that interesting. If the IDW writing team can redeem her.... More power to them. But I am pretty skeptical about this, and I don't see anything wrong with being skeptical.

      They can't use Venus, she's owned by Saban and/or Hasbro now.

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    • Darth0Gonz0:

      I was afraid that was the case... Ah well.

      In a perfect world, Venus would've been given a second chance I suppose.

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    • I like Jennika. I like Artemisia from Sophie Campbell's Secrets of the Ooze. But Venus de Milo can be erased for all eternity by the fire of a thousand suns.

      Also, I always considered Alopex the more vapid character. She had some development earlier in the series, then went to stagnant town for most of the rest of her tenure. And her chemistry with Raphael, even as just a friend, appears informed and seems rather forced. That said, I do rather like the version of Alopex in Sectets of the Ooze.

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    • Gilgameshkun: I'm in the minority. I'm skpetical of Jennika. As for Artemisia, well... I don't know anything about that character aside from her being a fanon character by someone who just happens to work on the comics. As for Venus, well, I believe she can be redeemed in the right hands-- although I will say that while I am for a fifth and female Turtle, be it Venus or Jennika, I would not want to see them be officially inducted into Clan Hamato as far as the IDW continuity is concerned. In the case of Jennika, I think she would do better with remaining with the Foot, or joining Angel and Alopex's team.

      As far as her appearing on other media outside of the comics... I'm happy with the brothers being four and only four. But if she has to appear, she should have a role similar to Slash-- a loosely affiliated ally that appears sporadically when the brothers need some extra help but not really an official member of the team.

      I'm not sure what IDW has in mind but I'm just gonna wait and see if this character grows on me... If not, well... There's always the Image run and the Mirage continuity for me.

      Unfortunately... Mirage seems to be slowly progressing on, if not outright almost entirely abandoned and the Image run is going to have a conclusion but is either a separate universe from the Mirage continuity in the multiverse or entirely removed from canon... I've yet to hear from either Frank Fosco or Gary Carlson regarding it's placement in the TMNT Multiverse but Frank has said to me via Facebook that he's not sure how that's gonna workout.

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    • Giger Van Gogh: This previous comment I made touches on one of my biggest reservations about Venus de Milo's character design. The four are named after artists, famous for what they could do. But she was named after a statue, famous for how she looks. From its conception, the character design was tailored to perpetuate a sexist double standard that treats men as serious characters but treats women as mere objects for men to ogle or possess. Sophie's Artemisia was named after an Italian Baroque artist, making her symbolism more on a more dignified equal standing with the four. Or, if the four had instead been named Farnese Hercules, David, Adonis and Fabio (after male art subjects famous for their looks), and were also objectified, it might not be so bad for a sister to be named Venus de Milo.

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    • Gilgameshkun:

      I am aware of the issues of the designs which Venus had presented in her tenure during the Next Mutation run. As a reptile, she should be nearly indestinguishable from the males-- Jennika's mutation design does own up to that being a reptile but even Sophie Campbell has said that she would've liked to introduce Venus, but that the design would've required a massive overhaul, which to me in my opinion.... isn't really that big of a deal. Of course, we are talking about a franchise which deals with walking, talking, bipedal martial artist Turtles-- what's realistic about that in any capacity whatsoever?

      Venus could be designed differently, albeit without the design she had in the Next Mutation. She doesn't necessarily have to be as big in terms of muscle size as the brothers are, but she could be more slender but still toned and very muscule. For example, look at cross-fit trainer and competitor Heba Ali, or Alyssa Loughran to get a rough idea. Feminine but strong. I've seen some fan art depicting Jennika as still androgynous looking but she wasn't big in muscle mass like the brothers. I saw this on Facebook and I figured that was a good compromise.

      As for your... statement regarding Venus design being sexist... I'm sorry but I would have to respectfully disagree with that. The design was flawed and definitely poorly executed but I don't think it was a happenstance of sexism in mind but rather just plain flat out bad choices which weren't thought out very well. I don't think the team at Saban/Fox knew how to pull off the concept of a mutant female very well because no one saw what a mutant Turtle looked like... They tried and well... they failed. Considering her conception which was mandated by Saban/Fox, to where Eastman and Laird kind of had their hands tied to create a female Turtle otherwise the show wasn't gonna get greenlit, well... of course there were gonna be problems.

      Venus De Milo was a bad idea...But she didn't have to be.

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      what have i done

      Nothing? At least I don't think you have.

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    • What I'm saying is not only that her portrayal was sexist, but also that she never should have been named Venus de Milo in the first place, because with it already not striking anyone as a realistic personal name in any language, it combines the namesakes of four male artists of skill and one female art subject of looks. If a character with that name existed in isolation, it wouldn't be an issue. But when the symbolism of her name is compared with the symbolism of the other four's names, the implications were always going to be unfortunate: That men are doers, and women are there to look pretty for men. And considering both Venus de Milo's naming and portrayal came from the same show, I don't really think this was an accident—she was conceived from the top down in a sexist manner, which hinders any rehabilitation of a rebooted version of the character as long as she has that name.

      You also mention realism. And while there are certain relatively unrealistic plot devices and living circumstances in any TMNT continuity that are hand-waved or just plain ignored as acceptable breaks from reality, along with some outright fantasy and soft sci-fi elements that strain realism further, I actually do prefer TMNT to be more realistic than not. It resonates with me more when it connects better on the everyday down-to-earth human level, and when the characters themselves aren't always depicted as larger than life, or living up grand lives of improbably achievement or wish fulfillment fantasy. Characters can still be well-trained at fighting, and they can still be someone's hero, but they aren't necessarily going out of their way to save anyone's day—they're mainly trying to survive to see next year and are doing whatever they can to make that happen. More wuxia, ronin and slice-of-life genres, and much, much less superhero genre. That's why my favorite TMNT continuities tend to be Mirage's and Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden, with IDW maybe being third or fourth. The continuities I truly can't stand are, like, the 1987 TV series, and what the 2012 TV series became in the latter half of its run.

      Speaking of more down-to-earth TMNT, that's another reason I liked What is Ninja? It looked into the past and mind of realistic, flawed, vulnerable character who had found an accidental family and found she really wanted to remain part of that family. I think that wish to belong is what drives her character more than just scripted loyalty, as it comfortably explains many of both her good and bad choices. And as we saw in Invasion of the Triceratons and most recently in City at War, Jenny's loyalty hasn't been absolute—both stories have involved her bending the rules or even being insubordinate when it came to something she cared about and believed in, whether it was freeing Splinter's sons from holding or trying to negotiate peace with Karai without authorization. Jenny isn't an automaton or a flat character—both before and after she joined the Foot Clan, she's been a character who makes (and lives with) big choices.

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      I don't like Casey at the moment, he made Jenny cry. I know he said he was happy she was alive and all, but right after he said that her walked away from her, she's having a harder time then you are Casey, don't just walk away because she looks different now, that's a really a-hole thing to do, she just had her life turned upside down and all that matters to you is she doesn't look human anymore. I can see this causing a riff between the Turtles and Casey. Well that and the fact Casey is working with his Dad.

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    • Yeah, a rift seems to be in the offing, especially with Hun whispering in his ear. Poor Jennika. He didn't even give her a hug or something.

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    • Well, if we weren't entirely sure they were dating before, we are now. Hun's behavior is vile but expected. Casey should be choosing his next words and actions carefully, but with everything else going to hell very quickly...

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    • Easol1 wrote:
      Yeah, a rift seems to be in the offing, especially with Hun whispering in his ear. Poor Jennika. He didn't even give her a hug or something.

      Yeah him not hugging her was another problem, if she matter so much to Casey he should have give her a hug.

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    • In the Mirage continuity version of City at War, Casey also took off rather than deal with the consequences of his feelings, though that situation involved April instead. If this Casey also does that to Jennika, it'll be interesting to know where that eventually leads.

      In Mirage's City at War, April and Casey couldn't deal with each other's feelings and a lot of their own lingering personal baggage. First April abruptly left without warning to go live with her sister Robyn O'Neil in Los Angeles, and then Casey, upset, left immediately after on a solo cross-country road trip. With Splinter also having disappeared into the forest, and no human liaisons left to help keep Jones Farm livable, the Turtles boarded up the farmhouse and snuck back into New York City where their part of City at War took place. Casey ended up meeting, falling in love with and marrying Gabrielle out in rural Colorado. Gabe was already pregnant with another unmentioned man's baby, and Casey accepted her situation anyway, prepared to help her raise a child. But Gabe died in childbirth, leaving Casey the only parent Shadow had left. Casey eventually took Shadow with him back to New York and returned to the other characters' lives, and he eventually married April.

      Of course, in the Image continuity's volume 3 (which is was later declared non-canon to Mirage), Shadow's biological further turned out to be the son of mafia boss Antoine Puzorelli. His IDW version, Antonio Puzorelli, was just killed in issue #96 along with the very briefly introduced (and also killed) IDW versions of Don Turtelli and Big Louie.

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    • I'm hoping Jenny appear more after 100 and we will get to see more of her personality, to help future versions of her in cartoons or movies or games.

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    • So I just realized that some will most likely happen in an upcoming issue which will make Jenny leave the Foot and join the Turtles.

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    • Well, without spoiling too much of the latest issue, she might not be able to return. Which in itself would be devastating to her, since it's effectively been her home, her family, and her entire life.

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    • On a related note, is Jennika supposed to be a teenager? Given that she was tried and imprisoned as an adult BEFORE joining the Foot Clan, I figured she was at least in her early 20s.

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    • I have the same impression on her age.

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    • Was her age ever said anywhere?

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    • I don't think it was. I can ask Bobby.

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    • Well I'm guessing she's a teenager because of the fact it looks like they are going to be put her with the other Turtles which are teehagers

      Well that's how I see it as least.

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    • So Sophie Campbell did an interview about taking over the comic, and she said that Jenny will be joinning the Hamato Clan (the Turtles), so something is going to happen in City at War to make her leave the Foot.

      https://www.teenagemutantninjaturtles.com/2019/08/05/interview-with-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-artist-and-writer-sophie-campbell/

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    • I talked to Sophie Campbell on Twitter and she confirmed that Jenny will be a Main character now.

      https://twitter.com/Ray10F04/status/1168322509336469506

      ^ Please read the whole thread.

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    • Her being the secondary character would be enough. April should be the main character and not Jennika.

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    • Not that IDW April is necessarily a bad character or anything, but I feel she's not necessarily automatically any more deserving of attention and character development than a lot of the other supporting characters the series has developed. And IDW April has already developed an established character niche, and she's good where she is right now. The first version April worked closely with the first version of Baxter after all, and it only seems appropriate that IDW April and IDW Baxter be locked in their game of chess. The idea that April is the only one truly smart and clever enough to match Baxter's sociopathic genius, actually makes her pretty badass in her own way. April's where she needs to be, and right now it's not in the turtles' daily lives.

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    • I suspect April isn't going to be around Baxter much longer, though. If he gets elected and/or forms an alliance with Null, will he find a way to get her out of his hair?

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    • Yes, that situation was never long-term stable, just like Baxter himself isn't long-term stable. But it's still tying up April's role in the story, and kept her away and her character development relatively stagnant for a few years now. April could have a new major role in the story, but it no longer seems plausible for her to have first or second dibs in the turtles' lives. At this point, there are several human characters besides Jennika, like Angel Bridge, Casey Jones, Harold Lilja, and even Lindsey Baker, who have been getting more scenes with the turtles in person than April has been. When April is in contact with them, it's mostly been over remote correspondence, which effectively puts her in a similar category as Ma'riell, Zom or Zayton Honeycutt.

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    • Well Jennika becoming a main character makes sense to me, seeing as the Turtles need to show Jennika how to be a Turtles.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      Here your warning if you haven't read the new issue so....

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      I don't like Casey at the moment, he made Jenny cry. I know he said he was happy she was alive and all, but right after he said that her walked away from her, she's having a harder time then you are Casey, don't just walk away because she looks different now, that's a really a-hole thing to do, she just had her life turned upside down and all that matters to you is she doesn't look human anymore. I can see this causing a riff between the Turtles and Casey. Well that and the fact Casey is working with his Dad.

      I hope casey and jennika both make appearance in rottmnt because I' dont have any hope to see a new series after rottmnt(maybe a bad live action after 5 years) and even kevin and Brandon  talked about them even im i not sure i just say that for get hope actually he become a main character

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    • Also im 16 can i follow tmnt news?who is 16

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    • Etuojn wrote: Kevin eastman said creators of animations specially from rise of the tmnt  have to ad her but i cant say she will be appear certainly  because one of the rise of the tmnt cast said casey and Leatherhead will be appear but still we dont have any news about them after 10month.for this i cant say certainly while casey and Leatherhead appearance is more normal than jennika but kevin emphasized she has to become one of the main turtles not like Leatherhead

      Interesting if true. Do you have a source? Such as one of Kevin Eastman's social media postings or an interview?

      And welcome to Turtlepedia and the TMNT fandom.

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    • Kevin said a live action adult series will be make

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    • Can you link to the source where he said this?

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    • I know Kevin is on Instagram, Twitter and does have his own blog.

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    • And Rise is still new series, doubt it that they will make two series at the same time. So maybe in few years or longer they will make a new series again.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      And Rise is still new series, doubt it that they will make two series at the same time. So maybe in few years or longer they will make a new series again.

      Ben 10 and tmnt became super reboot and after super reboot they will become live action 

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      Can you link to the source where he said this?

      You have search

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    • Etuojn wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:

      Etuojn wrote: Kevin eastman said creators of animations specially from rise of the tmnt  have to ad her but i cant say she will be appear certainly  because one of the rise of the tmnt cast said casey and Leatherhead will be appear but still we dont have any news about them after 10month.for this i cant say certainly while casey and Leatherhead appearance is more normal than jennika but kevin emphasized she has to become one of the main turtles not like Leatherhead

      Interesting if true. Do you have a source? Such as one of Kevin Eastman's social media postings or an interview?

      And welcome to Turtlepedia and the TMNT fandom.

      I don't say lie at all please search i i have a source

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    • Etuojn: What I mean is: If you have the source, please share the URL(s) with us.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      I hope to see her in the cartoon after Rise, they could just have her be there from the start.

      Yes after rise. kevins and somesite said to andy you have add her but andy andy:we have a lt plans alot of idea we have a very specific story in our mind we cant  accept this but there is always possible.therefore, casey leatherhead,and jennika wont won't appear at least until to end of season 2 but i can say jennika is one of the main turtles like leo and morre she is a strong female turtle

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:
      What are we hoping for Jennika in the upcoming issues?

      Again i say kevin Eastman emphasized she has to become one of the main turtles if you want see jennika out if comics,you have wait for rise of the tmnt season3 or a live action series

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    • Again, interesting if true, but this is the first I'm hearing of it. If we are to add any of these details to the wiki's articles, we still need sources, and skeptical readers will also want sources. Those sources can be references from publications (including show title, book title, episode name, issue number, page number, etc., where relevant and helpful), or they can be links to information on the internet (including press releases, social media postings, articles, interviews, videos), as long as this information can be verified as genuine. That's what I mean when I say we need sources.

      I mean, discussion and gossip can be good and fun, but we're also still a wiki. Sometimes it's not enough to just say you have a source or to say something you said you heard or read somewhere, because then that's not a reliable source—it's hearsay. A reliable source is something we can check out and examine for ourselves.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Again, interesting if true, but this is the first I'm hearing of it. If we are to add any of these details to the wiki's articles, we still need sources, and skeptical readers will also want sources. Those sources can be references from publications (including show title, book title, episode name, issue number, page number, etc., where relevant and helpful), or they can be links to information on the internet (including press releases, social media postings, articles, interviews, videos), as long as this information can be verified as genuine. That's what I mean when I say we need sources.

      I mean, discussion and gossip can be good and fun, but we're also still a wiki. Sometimes it's not enough to just say you have a source or to say something you said you heard or read somewhere, because then that's not a reliable source—it's hearsay. A reliable source is something we can check out and examine for ourselves.

      Somepeople and somesite asked to any and he said  i can't accept that but there is possibles and kevin said she is a great idea i want see her in a lot of comics and movies and series .he almost said that and i hope  she become a main character but this isnt certain actually a site asked to andy and kevin about her and they were their answer

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    • I think this Etujon person is referring to this article... Assuming I glanced through it right anyway.

      " It has been a significant 12 months for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. In September 2018, Nickelodeon debuted the new animated series Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. In July, IDW Publishing debuted the new fifth Turtle, Jennika, in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic book series. Some fans may wonder if these two developments could come together, with Jennika making her television debut in Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."

      “Ant and I have lots of plans, lots of ideas,” Suriano says. “We’ll see what we get to execute. We have a very specific story in mind and somewhere we’re headed, at least for season one and season two, but there’s always possibilities.”

      Ward adds, “I think whenever you’re doing major canon-type adjustments like that it has to be organic. It has to belong.”

      Source: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/08/13/rise-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-jennika/

      Personally, I hope she just stays in the comic... I mean not EVERY continuity should have a fifth Turtle, right?

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    • What kind of species of turtle would match Jenny?

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    • Ward adds, “I think whenever you’re doing major canon-type adjustments like that it has to be organic. It has to belong.”

      ....

      Personally, I hope she just stays in the comic... I mean not EVERY continuity should have a fifth Turtle, right?

      Ant Ward's remark sounds kinda like a "not going to happen" for me.

      And same here, I hope they don't try to make five turtles the new status quo.

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    • I would be find with five turtles from now on.

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    • Giger Van Gogh wrote:
      I think this Etujon person is referring to this article... Assuming I glanced through it right anyway.

      " It has been a significant 12 months for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. In September 2018, Nickelodeon debuted the new animated series Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. In July, IDW Publishing debuted the new fifth Turtle, Jennika, in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic book series. Some fans may wonder if these two developments could come together, with Jennika making her television debut in Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."

      “Ant and I have lots of plans, lots of ideas,” Suriano says. “We’ll see what we get to execute. We have a very specific story in mind and somewhere we’re headed, at least for season one and season two, but there’s always possibilities.”

      Ward adds, “I think whenever you’re doing major canon-type adjustments like that it has to be organic. It has to belong.”

      Source: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/08/13/rise-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-jennika/

      Personally, I hope she just stays in the comic... I mean not EVERY continuity should have a fifth Turtle, right?

      Yes

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    • Giger Van Gogh wrote: I think this Etujon person is referring to this article... Assuming I glanced through it right anyway.

      " It has been a significant 12 months for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. In September 2018, Nickelodeon debuted the new animated series Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. In July, IDW Publishing debuted the new fifth Turtle, Jennika, in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comic book series. Some fans may wonder if these two developments could come together, with Jennika making her television debut in Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."

      “Ant and I have lots of plans, lots of ideas,” Suriano says. “We’ll see what we get to execute. We have a very specific story in mind and somewhere we’re headed, at least for season one and season two, but there’s always possibilities.”

      Ward adds, “I think whenever you’re doing major canon-type adjustments like that it has to be organic. It has to belong.”

      Source: https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/08/13/rise-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-jennika/

      Personally, I hope she just stays in the comic... I mean not EVERY continuity should have a fifth Turtle, right?

      Yes, Jennika should stay in the comics.

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    • TMNT #101 cover, it has all 5 Turtles on it.

      https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1175151458846744577

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: What I'm saying is not only that her portrayal was sexist, but also that she never should have been named Venus de Milo in the first place, because with it already not striking anyone as a realistic personal name in any language, it combines the namesakes of four male artists of skill and one female art subject of looks. If a character with that name existed in isolation, it wouldn't be an issue. But when the symbolism of her name is compared with the symbolism of the other four's names, the implications were always going to be unfortunate: That men are doers, and women are there to look pretty for men. And considering both Venus de Milo's naming and portrayal came from the same show, I don't really think this was an accident—she was conceived from the top down in a sexist manner, which hinders any rehabilitation of a rebooted version of the character as long as she has that name.

      Well, what if Venus was loosely named after Alexandros of Antioch, spelt as Alexandra, who sculpted the Venus de Milo statue? That’s technically naming after an artist.

      Also, characters can have a personality do-over because their first portrayal wasn’t very good. Look at Webby Vanderquack of the Ducktales 2017 reboot. She was changed from her more girly 1987 self to be the same age as the triplets and be more of a role model for young girls. She’s actually one of the inspirations for my version of Venus, next to Tangled’s Rapunzel and Big Hero 6’s Honey Lemon. There’s also Mona Lisa, who made only one appearance in the 87 version. In 2012, she was way more expanded and made more appearances, with the cost of being an alien and a love interest of Raph if you don’t dig that.

      If Webby and Mona can be brought back and have their personalities changed, I don’t see why we can do the same thing for Venus to make her less sexist.

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    • So here's a cover for issue 101. It has Mona Lisa, Ralph, Jenny and Pepperoni on it, as well as a little white Mutant Turtle with them. The little Turtle is a "She" Sophie Campbell confirmed that. No name has been given for the little turtle yet.

      https://previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL138279?type=1

      https://twitter.com/mooncalfe1/status/1175209436476071936

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    • SarahSpyborg259:

      Naming her Alexandra would be like naming her Leonarda, Raffaella, Donatella or Michelangela. A gender flip. And that would be all right if it were just as easily to gender-flip one of the main four turtle templates as it was Alexandros. But the reasons for naming her Alexandra would only be a band-aid for Venus de Milo's template being so sexist to begin with. Better in context to just name her after an actual woman artist, such as Artemisia.

      As for Mona Lisa, I was originally neutral to her as I don't like the 1987 TV series anyway. But I couldn't stand the 2012 TV series version of her. Like, at all. And the reason why should be evident in my other response below:

      Darth0Gonzo:

      Wow, a reimagining of Mona Lisa that doesn't make me immediately gag. My main concern with the Mona Lisa character template is if her preordained purpose is to be someone's love interest. Characters should be paired gradually and organically and not as a foregone conclusion, because there are few things I find more annoying than a shallow love interest, especially one that is high on display and low on appreciable depth or substance. Basically, I like relationships in fiction to be realistically portrayed. And I can more easily accept a new version of Mona Lisa if can stand as an independent character all her own (much like Jennika has for the last two years), without it being assumed she exists or is conceived to be paired with someone.

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    • A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

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    • SarahSpyborg259 wrote:

      Gilgameshkun wrote: What I'm saying is not only that her portrayal was sexist, but also that she never should have been named Venus de Milo in the first place, because with it already not striking anyone as a realistic personal name in any language, it combines the namesakes of four male artists of skill and one female art subject of looks. If a character with that name existed in isolation, it wouldn't be an issue. But when the symbolism of her name is compared with the symbolism of the other four's names, the implications were always going to be unfortunate: That men are doers, and women are there to look pretty for men. And considering both Venus de Milo's naming and portrayal came from the same show, I don't really think this was an accident—she was conceived from the top down in a sexist manner, which hinders any rehabilitation of a rebooted version of the character as long as she has that name.

      Well, what if Venus was loosely named after Alexandros of Antioch, spelt as Alexandra, who sculpted the Venus de Milo statue? That’s technically naming after an artist.

      Also, characters can have a personality do-over because their first portrayal wasn’t very good. Look at Webby Vanderquack of the Ducktales 2017 reboot. She was changed from her more girly 1987 self to be the same age as the triplets and be more of a role model for young girls. She’s actually one of the inspirations for my version of Venus, next to Tangled’s Rapunzel and Big Hero 6’s Honey Lemon. There’s also Mona Lisa, who made only one appearance in the 87 version. In 2012, she was way more expanded and made more appearances, with the cost of being an alien and a love interest of Raph if you don’t dig that.

      If Webby and Mona can be brought back and have their personalities changed, I don’t see why we can do the same thing for Venus to make her less sexist.

      Canon Venus was very flawed, she is considered a Mary Sue by many fans. But i liked her design, i would only remove the boobs. Reptiles don't feed their kids with milk. So giving a female reptile boobs is very silly.

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    • I don't mind a reptile having mammalian anatomy if they are genuinely part mammal. So for example, Mirage Leatherhead, who was specifically identified as being part human, could have plausibly had mammalian features. The same goes for the Rise Turtles who are also specifically stated to have human DNA as part of their mutation. This in principle may also plausibly apply to any or all of the mutations across the different continuities that were either originally human or changed into something more human-like ("man-like," as they said in the Archie continuity).

      That said, that is not usually the reason why non-mammal mammaries are A Thing™. I remember reading about some of the worldbuilding for the film Avatar, and there was one and only one paramount reason for why Na'vi females implausibly had them: "She's gotta have tits." A significant portion of the audience wants the females they see in the entertainment to watch to be someone they'd want to bed, or they wouldn't want to see them. If you doubt this, try reading any mainstream online forum ever.

      For whatever reason the writers chose, Jennika lost her mammaries as part of her mutation. And it would have been fine with me either way, as long as keeping them was handled in good taste and not just to please an audience. Losing them doesn't make her any less of a woman, and her character development never relied on them anyway.

      I would sympathize with her if she misses having them as part of the overall psychological adjustment in reconciling her altered physical form with her personal self image—sometimes it's about feeling comfortable in your own skin or with what you see the mirror. I wouldn't be surprised if it takes her longer to get used to it all.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

      From my understanding, the writer isn't planning on shipping the Turtles with anyone.

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    • Sugilita wrote:

      Canon Venus was very flawed, she is considered a Mary Sue by many fans. But i liked her design, i would only remove the boobs. Reptiles don't feed their kids with milk. So giving a female reptile boobs is very silly.

      Yes, she is very flawed, and the decision to give her breasts, even though she’s a freagin’ reptile, and make her not related to the turtles because “let’s make them love each other” is very stupid, but I also don’t see why her personality can’t be changed if she were brought back, which is unlikely apparently. My version of Venus, like I mentioned previously, is a mix of Webby 2017, Rapzy, and Honey Lemon.

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    • If Jennika does appear in cartoons in the future and she's there from the start then I found a Renaissance Artist who's name is close to her name, Jan van Eyck, here's two ways to make it work.

      1. Splitter would have named her Jan van Eyck before knowing she's female and they change her name to Jennika.

      or

      2. All of the Turtle mispronounce Jan van Eyck as Jennika when they were younger and just kept calling her that when they got older.

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    • Kudos for the research. However, the J in Jan van Eyck is not pronounced like the J in Jennika—it's pronounced like a Y, making Jan sound like Yan.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Kudos for the research. However, the J in Jan van Eyck is not pronounced like the J in Jennika—it's pronounced like a Y, making Jan sound like Yan.

      Like I said mispronounced, also if Splitter was a rat at the start and just found a book of Renaissance Artists he wouldn't know it's pronounced that way.

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    • Darth0Gonzo wrote:

      Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

      From my understanding, the writer isn't planning on shipping the Turtles with anyone.

      But Raph was ship teased with Alopex. Unless it was only a small crush and nothing else.

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    • SarahSpyborg259 wrote:

      Sugilita wrote:

      Canon Venus was very flawed, she is considered a Mary Sue by many fans. But i liked her design, i would only remove the boobs. Reptiles don't feed their kids with milk. So giving a female reptile boobs is very silly.

      Yes, she is very flawed, and the decision to give her breasts, even though she’s a freagin’ reptile, and make her not related to the turtles because “let’s make them love each other” is very stupid, but I also don’t see why her personality can’t be changed if she were brought back, which is unlikely apparently. My version of Venus, like I mentioned previously, is a mix of Webby 2017, Rapzy, and Honey Lemon.

      Maybe Venus will return but is very unlikely because of Jennika. But if Venus returns then she shouldn't be a love interest. And more importantly they shouldn't give her magical powers. And separate her backstory from the tmnt's backstory. And change her name.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

      It's entirely possible she won't be. After all, IDW Kala is just buddies with Mikey, and nothing more (and given the age upgrade she's given, it would be squicky otherwise).

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    • Easol1 wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

      It's entirely possible she won't be. After all, IDW Kala is just buddies with Mikey, and nothing more (and given the age upgrade she's given, it would be squicky otherwise).

      I hope this Mona will be friends with all turtles equally. In the two past versions she mainly interacted with Raph.

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    • Sugilita:

      Maybe at most teased, and while for a while it could be considered that they had an implied relationship, Raph's dialogue with Angel in Desperate Measures: Prologue/Transcript made it clear that they indeed like each other and are very close, but haven't really been able to be anything more than good friends. And to be honest, that kind of suits me fine, as it came on the heels of the series spending quite some time utterly failing to appreciably develop their chemistry.

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    • So, what personality would you give Venus?

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    • Sugilita wrote:

      Darth0Gonzo wrote:

      Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      I hope this new Mona Lisa will not be a love interest for Raphael. Because in her two past appearances she was only a love interest. Very cliche.

      From my understanding, the writer isn't planning on shipping the Turtles with anyone.

      But Raph was ship teased with Alopex. Unless it was only a small crush and nothing else.

      Different writer. Writer for 101 onward is new.

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    • Only partly new. Issues 1 through 100 were written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, with Bobby Curnow also becoming a main writer over time. Starting with issue 101, Kevin Eastman and Bobby Curnow are still on board, but Tom Waltz will leave and Sophie Campbell will take his place.

      And while it's no coincidence that a new version of Mona Lisa designed by Sophie will be introduced in the first issue where Sophie is co-head writer, I don't expect this to drastically change Raphael's relationships. Sophie's generally been extremely good at what she's done for IDW, and I doubt this will be a replay of the previous versions of Mona Lisa which were characterized by fast and shallow romance. If she develops ties with Raphael, I expect it will happen gradually and feel earned, and perhaps not even favor him over any other character. This new version of Mona Lisa could very well be and remain single. It's better not to write or evaluate her in context to Raphael, because a character who cannot carry their part in a story outside a romantic pairing is a very poorly designed character. Even Shen, who was always scripted to be Yoshi's wife, has proven capable of carrying her own role in a story without the presence or immediate involvement of her husband, as she did in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Ghostbusters 2. And April arguably became a more interesting character after she and Casey broke up.

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    • SarahSpyborg259 wrote: So, what personality would you give Venus?

      I like to think that Venus would be a Pisces.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Only partly new. Issues 1 through 100 were written by Kevin Eastman and Tom Waltz, with Bobby Curnow also becoming a main writer over time. Starting with issue 101, Kevin Eastman and Bobby Curnow are still on board, but Tom Waltz will leave and Sophie Campbell will take his place.

      And while it's no coincidence that a new version of Mona Lisa designed by Sophie will be introduced in the first issue where Sophie is co-head writer, I don't expect this to drastically change Raphael's relationships. Sophie's generally been extremely good at what she's done for IDW, and I doubt this will be a replay of the previous versions of Mona Lisa which were characterized by fast and shallow romance. If she develops ties with Raphael, I expect it will happen gradually and feel earned, and perhaps not even favor him over any other character. This new version of Mona Lisa could very well be and remain single. It's better not to write or evaluate her in context to Raphael, because a character who cannot carry their part in a story outside a romantic pairing is a very poorly designed character. Even Shen, who was always scripted to be Yoshi's wife, has proven capable of carrying her own role in a story without the presence or immediate involvement of her husband, as she did in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Ghostbusters 2. And April arguably became a more interesting character after she and Casey broke up.

      Now we will see if Jennika will still be with Casey after she mutated.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Sugilita:

      Maybe at most teased, and while for a while it could be considered that they had an implied relationship, Raph's dialogue with Angel in Desperate Measures: Prologue/Transcript made it clear that they indeed like each other and are very close, but haven't really been able to be anything more than good friends. And to be honest, that kind of suits me fine, as it came on the heels of the series spending quite some time utterly failing to appreciably develop their chemistry.


      But the liking could be considered only platonic and not romantic. But maybe it is romantic. Someone on Twitter immediately asked Sophie if Mona will be a threat to Alopex.

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    • Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.

      And that's kind of my issue with Jennika and the whole over abundance of mutants. I mean I was fine with Slash and the Mutanimals, because the were only a handful of mutants but now it seems like there's going to be a whole lot more coming.

      To me, the TMNT being four and only four was... kind of part of who they are, but then again this is coming from someone who tends to favor Mirage and Image more. IDW kind of had that at first, but then they started re-intergrating characters from the Fred Wolf, 4Kids and the Nick series... which I was okay with at first but... I dunno now.

      Just... there's too many Turtles, and I think that kind of makes the TMNT less unique. Gotta agree with Sugilita here with that.

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    • I don't necessarily mind there being more mutants or more mutant turtles. But what I really like in a TMNT story is a continual reminder of how vulnerably human they all are. I mean, sure, sometimes the inside of a lair or abandoned warehouse has an impressive home, but oftentimes that just means a relative measure of luck and success. In truth, there was never anything glamorous about squatting in a storm drain, or trying not to freeze to death in a water tower. In Mirage, many of the Turtles' moments of relative comfort came from the kindness of their lasting friends like April or Casey, but even those friends could be startling vulnerable without warning. IDW has, for the most part, kept the human vulnerability and the difficult living conditions easy to remember, with safe and comfortable dwellings being more a latter of perseverence and luck than anything else.

      Take the Mutanimals, for instance. They aren't wannabe superheroes living on an idyllic Caribbean island, living off what I can only assume is Mondo's trust fund. No, IDW's Mutanimals are squatting in an abandoned building. Hob is a serially traumatized revolutionary idealogue who just screams the word "damaged" in everything he says and does. And while the people who work under him are willing to sign on to his cause, even they want peaceful lives someday, not just for other vulnerable mutants, but for themselves as well. These Mutanimals for the large part have no superhero powers, and don't act like superheroes either. What they've been able to do is to pool determination, skills and resources towards their shared success and survival. Some of them are little more than children—Slash with his crisis of purpose, Pete with his happy-go-lucky cluelessness, Seymour with his extreme mortal vulnerabilities, and stepford-smiling Mondo who has become increasingly traumatized from being in one too many horrific situations. Of the more adult-like members, Sally is never afraid to tell anyone what's on her mind, and how much she doesn't want Hob lying to friends or biting off way more than they can chew. Ray is loved like family, but is no stranger to questionable ethics. Herman can be friendly and kind, but at times disturbingly uncritical of Hob's strategies. And yet in all these characters, these attributes are very realistically human. None of them are perfectly good nor irredeemably bad, and they are all vulnerable, as we devastatingly saw in Slash's case.

      So, sometimes in a TMNT continuity there can be too many throwaway mutant monsters-of-the-week, or characters whose abilities are too god-mode. These things may be part and parcel of a mutant superhero genre. But TMNT comics are for the most part neo-noir and shinobi genres, and many of its mutant characters, appearances aside, can be strikingly ordinary people in a less-than-perfect world. I've seen a bit of this down-to-earth mutant appeal bleeding a little into Rise of the TMNT, too, with characters like Warren and Hypno paying rent in an apartment that is perhaps too small for them, and Todd operating a low-revenue small business even as he struggles paying his bills and creditors, and Repo operating a shady but public salvage business, and the Hidden City having a significant and recognizable everyday-life aspect to it like any other city that isn't so hidden. No, more mutants and more mutant turtles are not necessarily a bad thing. They just need balance.

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    • Giger Van Gogh wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.
      And that's kind of my issue with Jennika and the whole over abundance of mutants. I mean I was fine with Slash and the Mutanimals, because the were only a handful of mutants but now it seems like there's going to be a whole lot more coming.

      To me, the TMNT being four and only four was... kind of part of who they are, but then again this is coming from someone who tends to favor Mirage and Image more. IDW kind of had that at first, but then they started re-intergrating characters from the Fred Wolf, 4Kids and the Nick series... which I was okay with at first but... I dunno now.

      Just... there's too many Turtles, and I think that kind of makes the TMNT less unique. Gotta agree with Sugilita here with that.

      Well, to be fair, IDW never pretended they weren't going to add more mutants to the mix. The very first scene of the very first issue introduced a brand-new mutant character who is still an active party today, and the inclusion of Null mutants happened quite some time ago.

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    • Easol1 wrote:
      Giger Van Gogh wrote:
      Sugilita wrote:
      A second female turtle? Well, the 4 guys are not unique anymore. I loved the concept of them being unique. But now there are 6 turtles in IDW comics.
      And that's kind of my issue with Jennika and the whole over abundance of mutants. I mean I was fine with Slash and the Mutanimals, because the were only a handful of mutants but now it seems like there's going to be a whole lot more coming.

      To me, the TMNT being four and only four was... kind of part of who they are, but then again this is coming from someone who tends to favor Mirage and Image more. IDW kind of had that at first, but then they started re-intergrating characters from the Fred Wolf, 4Kids and the Nick series... which I was okay with at first but... I dunno now.

      Just... there's too many Turtles, and I think that kind of makes the TMNT less unique. Gotta agree with Sugilita here with that.

      Well, to be fair, IDW never pretended they weren't going to add more mutants to the mix. The very first scene of the very first issue introduced a brand-new mutant character who is still an active party today, and the inclusion of Null mutants happened quite some time ago.

      Kevin said she added to mix and she has to become a main character for feminism.he said me and fans didn't like Venus but jennika  is a very good and ful female character(i dont know why but i think people love venus more at least in this wiki)but feminism can ruin movies and series(im a girl but i dont agree) because they make girl wild and weak.even those movies and series are often drama in a action shape.also teenage mutant ninja turtles has four words not more!for this im not disagree but jennika is a wild like other girls in movies and series.

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    • Etuojn: Thank you for using punctuation.

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    • Etuojn wrote:
      Kevin said she added to mix and she has to become a main character for feminism.he said me and fans didn't like Venus but jennika  is a very good and ful female character(i dont know why but i think people love venus more at least in this wiki)but feminism can ruin movies and series(im a girl but i dont agree) because they make girl wild and weak.even those movies and series are often drama in a action shape.also teenage mutant ninja turtles has four words not more!for this im not disagree but jennika is a wild like other girls in movies and series.

      I know the interview which you are speaking about. Either BleedingCool or ComicBookNews hosted it. He said he was mostly inspired by Captain Marvel to put Jennika into the comics which raises a red flag to me because Captain Marvel isn't really as popular as Marvel/Disney wants to make her out to be, and Captain Marvel hasn't been selling as far as comic books are concerned, she's already been rebooted more than a few times.

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    • From what I hear, most of the Marvel comic books haven't been selling well in recent years, in large part because they've been rebooted repeatedly.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      From what I hear, most of the Marvel comic books haven't been selling well in recent years, in large part because they've been rebooted repeatedly.

      I normally don't read Marvel, but the only ones that I do are Venom and Spider-Gwen seeing as those are the only two characters in Marvel I thoroughly enjoy but... the medium as a whole, and I mean comics in general hasn't recovered since the bubble burst in the 90s. Sure, it's picked up in years but it hasn't been the same as it was before.

      In the case of Marvel, that company has been losing readers since the Disney purchase. Now more than ever because readers are just not enjoying whatever stories and creative decisions they've done with certain characters or created characters that just aren't resonating with readers.

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    • Okay. I don't read Marvel, either. Or DC. Or the superhero genre in general.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay. I don't read Marvel, either. Or DC. Or the superhero genre in general.

      I hate Marvel after Fortnite

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Etuojn: Thank you for using punctuation.

      Thanks 

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      They better do something special for Jennika in later incarnations. Whether human transformed into a turtle or the other where she was an ordinary turtle mutated.

      Including what she does in her daily life than just fighting.

      Leo: Leader & later sensei

      Raph: Tough guy with attitude

      Donnie: The brains & machinist

      Mikey: Partygoer yet dumb, creative, annoying & into pop culture

      Jennika: ?

      A famale

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    • Bmwfan2015 wrote:
      What about her personality and character type?

      Leo - leader Donnie - does machines Raph - cool but rude Miley - party dude Jennika - ?

      A famale

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    • Wait for her focused issues.

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