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    Have you ever noticed that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are rarely ever depicted as… teenagers?  I mean, it’s right there in the title so it ought to be a hard thing to overlook.  But by and large, that first “T” in “TMNT” is generally excluded from their portrayals.

    When Eastman and Laird first published TMNT (Vol. 1) #1, it was as a one-shot parody of popular comic book trends over at Marvel and DC.  Daredevil is the most obvious:

    But the “Teenage Mutant” is in itself a parody of the popular teenage superhero team books of the early ‘80s, such as New Teen Titans and Uncanny X-Men (where the “mutant” is concerned, anyway, as the X-Men weren’t so much teenagers anymore by the early ‘80s).  As soon as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles blossomed from a parody one-shot into an ongoing series that could stand on its own, the entire “Teenage” quarter of the title became an artifact of the book’s satirical conception and not something genuinely applicable to the characters.

    I mean, looking at those early issues, outside of perhaps Raphael’s anger management difficulties, the Turtles were never shown undergoing any typical, clichéd conflicts associated with teenagers.  They were cited as being around age 14-15 at the start of the book, but these were teenagers in name only.  The Turtles didn’t have problems with school or girls or part time jobs or peer pressure or any of that other crap and, save perhaps Michelangelo, they all acted like miniature adults (and judging by the insane cut of their musculature, looked like miniature adults, too).

    Obviously, the lack of those familiar teenage-related storylines is a necessity due to their being “freaks” and “outcasts”, but it goes beyond that.  Nobody they met ever treated them as teenagers upon interacting with them.  When April O’Neil meets the Turtles, she never once views them as teenagers and regards them as adults from the get-go.  Here she is in TMNT (Vol. 1) #3, fetching them beers from the kitchen:

    By TMNT (Vol. 1) #5, the Turtles were hanging out at bars (albeit alien bars, which I guess don’t card):

    It seems Eastman and Laird, in those early stories anyway, never had much of an intention of portraying the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles as teenagers.  The “teenagers in name only” quality was built into the characters from their conception and it’s been a staple in nearly all their adaptations.

    The Fred Wolf animated series from 1987 went a step further and eliminated the “family” dynamic of the characters altogether.  The Turtles were just “buddies” who roomed together, while Splinter was their sensei and nothing more.

    They hung out in the lair all day, eating pizza and goofing off and with nothing to really associate them with what we think of as teenagers except for maybe an overall lack of maturity.  Heck, by the third season the show introduced a teenage sidekick for the gang: Zach.  The character was supposed to be 13, but he ACTED like a little kid and the Turtles, who were supposed to also be teenagers only a couple years older than Zach, regarded him as a child, too.

    Fast forward to the 4Kids animated series from 2003 and we see much the same thing.  Although their family dynamic was restored, there was still little to connect them with being teenagers.  They still hung out with adults like April and Casey, which in itself could become a little weird and problematic.  You have the Turtles, 15, treating Casey, 23, as a bumbling tagalong.  All of a sudden the adult character is the sidekick to the teenage characters, who constantly regard him with sighs of exasperation or bemusement.  I mean, it doesn’t help that the 4Kids cartoon had one of the worst depictions of Casey Jones in any adaptation, but the point is that the 23 year-old characters were peers to the 15 year-old characters at best (April) or their worthless comic relief fuckup hanger-ons at worst (Casey).

    Also, the Turtles in that cartoon were friggin’ jacked for 15:

    And then there’s the Nick cartoon.

    When the Nickelodeon animated series from 2012 began, there were some folks upset that the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and their supporting cast were being portrayed like, uh, teenagers.  All of a sudden April and Casey were made into genuine peers of the TMNT who attended high school and could invite that sort of setting to the formula.  Donatello now had a crush on April and had to deal with his own “girl troubles” because surprise-surprise, teenagers have libidos.  Raphael’s anger management now became melodramatic temper tantrums with a tinge of juvenile angst.  Michelangelo now had trouble making friends because he was weird-looking and unpopular.  Leonardo is now a more light-hearted, unsure and kind of crappy leader, but only because he’s so young and is still learning the ropes of the position.  Splinter now GROUNDS the Turtles when they disobey him and sends them to their rooms to cool off.

    And when all this happened it felt… weird.  For the first time ever, someone actually noticed the word “Teenage” in the title “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” and decided not to hand-wave it away.  And yet some people, even two years later, are still outraged and indignant at the idea of the Turtles being treated as teenagers just because it is so unusual for the property.  Ever since the beginning, the Turtles have been “teenagers” who swill beer, hang with adults, take their motorcycles on cross-country road trips and generally don’t do anything we associate with teenagers. 

    So when they’re finally portrayed as teenagers and not miniature adults?  Freakin’ weird, man.  Freakin’ weird.

    I really like the Nickelodeon cartoon and the emphasis on “Teenage” is a major reason for that.  It took nearly 30 years for an adaptation to treat the characters in this manner and it’s a welcome diversion from the usual stuff we’d been getting.  And if you step back, doesn’t it seem just a little bizarre that when the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are treated as teenagers it seems “off” or at least “unique”?

    The current TMNT comic from IDW hasn’t put much emphasis on their being teenagers, despite probably being the closest the Turtles have ever been connected to human teenage traits (having actually BEEN human teenagers before getting reincarnated as turtles, but that’s complicated).  IDW’s rotating artists tend to draw the Turtles wildly differently, too. 

    Andy Kuhn draws them as gargantuan roid-raging tanks to emphasize their physical prowess:

    Meanwhile, artist Ross Campbell opts to emphasize their youth.  His Turtles are smaller, skinnier and generally softer in countenance:

    But the freedom of artistic interpretation has always been one of the better aspects of the TMNT comics over the years, whether they be from Mirage, Archie or IDW.  Different artists find different ways to accentuate the traits of the characters and it can lead to some stellar interpretations.

    And some not-so-stellar ones:

    As for why the Turtles have rarely, until now, been portrayed as teenagers, fans are often quick to come up with their own explanations.  Rationalizations range from “their mutation makes them smarter than human teenagers so they don’t act like human teenagers” to “their unique upbringing made them grow up faster psychologically so they don’t exhibit typical immature teenage attitudes”.  There’s any number of excuses, feel free to take your pick or come up with your own; I won’t judge.

    But if you have to come up with an excuse as to why the “Teenage” in “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles” isn’t important, then that begs the question as to why the “Teenage” is even there in the first place. If it doesn’t matter, why keep it?

    Like I said earlier, it seems like a holdover from when the characters were nothing but shallow Marvel/DC parodies, and even if the “Teenage” was no longer of concern, it couldn’t exactly be dropped from the brand name.  Hell, Peter Laird published an entire volume of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where the title characters were in their mid-30s:

    Thrilling midlife crisis action!

    Anyway, if there was a point to this article, I guess it’s to discuss something I always felt was a little strange about the characters, but never really gave much thought until all the whining about the Turtles “acting like teenagers” in the 2012 cartoon.  We’ve become so accustomed to the Turtles acting like adults at age 15 that when they’re portrayed like typical teenagers, people think that it’s “wrong”.  And isn’t that just a little silly?

    My opinion and other missing sources

    According to April O'Neil's profile says she often acting as a big sister/motherly-figure to the turtles and in Mirage Raphael's profile says "you could almost call him a typical teenager, he often feels misunderstood and believes that he is alone in the world in Turtlepedia page, even in 2003 TV series April said "I feel like I've gone from happily single to mother of four overnight", it seemed a little uncomfortable for April to live with the turtles in the sewer for a while after her apartment was destroyed by the Foot Clan and April called the turtles kids once when she asked Splinter about he could teach the turtles manners even when the turtles were fighting and rolling in the grass although even Casey Jones for fun joined it too, and Splinter called the turtles kids in both the 1990 live action movie and even the 2003 TV series and even the 2014 live action movie reboot Splinter didn't let the turtles leave the sewer yet and said the turtles are still just teenagers to be ready. 

    I do not like Nickelodeon probably made and others think the turtles are more like teenagers for the first time in the 2012 TV series, although I do not fully see the turtles really acting like teenagers between the 2012 and other incarnations or I do not have full teenage experience, except that at least Michelangelo looks younger. The turtles are at least still seriously for and can handle tough danger and adventure like travel to outer space and saving the Earth, and I think the series is a bit too dark and serious for the 2012 turtles if they really act more like teenagers and April O'Neil and Casey Jones as teenagers at the same time than the 2003 turtles, even though April O'Neil and Casey Jones as human teenagers can handle danger and adventures too, at least April O'Neil is kind a superhuman with telepathy and telekinesis powers.

    It's hard for me to say that I think the turtles seems like teenagers, I do not particularly look at them as teenagers and seems comfortable to hang out with them than human teenagers, previously first I thought they were not teenagers when I first thought the title was only named "Ninja Turtles", even adults can still be joking, uncertain and can't control their temper. 1987 TV series April O'Neil treated Buffy who at least is a teenager more like a teenager than the turtles and at least in Donatello want to go to university and nobody even said he was still a little too young, in the 2003 TV series Cody Jones and Starlee Hambrath who are at least and was treated more like teenagers, even Donatello first thinked Starlee was a little too young to do technology and at least John Bishop didn't let Cody to go on mission too since it wasn't for kids when he let the turtles go, some of the turtles have a crush on older/adult girls which even nobody said they were too young for them, Michelangelo to April O'Neil in the 2014 live action movie reboot and Seri, Leonardo to Lotus Blossom, Raphael to Mona Lisa, Y'Gythgba and Umeko and at least in both the the 2003 TV series and the 2014 live action movie reboot the turtles seems more like adults, at least according to 2003 TV series in Turtlepedia page says though the turtles always noted to be teenagers, the 2003 incarnation of the turtles are by far the most mature and adult-like of the animated turtles.

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    • Even the Mirage turtles were teenagers, at least during the early page of volume 1. In a comic targeted to adults, it was already understood that many teenagers drink alcohol and sneak into adult places and do all sorts of things considered age-inappropriate for them, if ever they can manage to do so. This may not be considered ideal by many parents, but it is accepted as typical in the comic's grittier worldview.

      At the end of D'Ants Fever, which takes place in a bar, Leo says, "I think it's time to go, guys! Besides, if they find out we're only teenagers--whew, boy, geez!"

      In I, Monster, the Rat King narrates the story. In one part, he says, "They are not your average teens. They have not come here to drink beer and smoke cigarettes."

      In one issue of the Image continuity (originally officially part of the Mirage continuity until it was later declared non-canon and ignored by subsequent works), the turtles recognize an abandoned porno theater being used as someone else's base, because when the theater was still open and the turtles were preteens, they used to sneak in and watch.

      Also in the Image continuity, Mikey gets to third base with Sara when visiting Chicago. but Sara's roommate furiously points out the Sara is still too young to take care of herself—while being thrown out, Mikey mostly remembered the roommate's cleavage.

      It's also worth noting that in many ways, the turtles grew up faster than was perhaps healthy. They were raised to be assassins, and taught to kill, and were as young as their tender preteen years when they first killed other (human) opponents. When they were only 13 or 14, they were tasked with killing their father's nemesis. There's so much about their childhoods that would screw up a lot of people.

      The 2012 TV series also had the turtles behaving more like teenagers, but from the onset their lives were far less violent. Splinter wasn't grooming them to kill his nemesis—he just wanted them to be able to defend themselves. He was content with living in peace for as long as they could manage, while understanding this may not always be possible. Until they were 15, they had a relatively more normal childhood than the Mirage turtles.

      But I think what may drive a lot of people to complain about turtles acting like teenagers, are people who were originally fans of the 1987 TV series, where the turtles were pretty much never really teenagers, and their lair wasn't even a family home. They treated each other like college roommates and Splinter like a den parent. The growing up was largely already done, and the writers didn't have to handle any complicated (or then potentially parent-offending) issues like child soldiers, the weight of taking a life, and interracial single parents.

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    • That seems like a fair point.

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    • What in particular was a fair point?

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    • Both of you make fair points. If anything, the 2003 Turtles hardly looked like teenagers at all--they were WAY too jacked. If anything, they were really short adults...

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    • Since the 2003 series followed the Mirage formula (relatively) more closely, I think the turtles were indeed teenagers, but were indeed strangely buff.

      The unofficial webcomic Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden (an alternate universe from Mirage but whose art style is inspired by the 2003 series) supports the theory that the turtles hadn't finished growing as they aged.

      Mirage itself ended up not going this direction, instead making the turtles in their 30s look the same they did as teenagers.

      Easier fifteen years ago

      But they still theoretically had a long lifespan. Below, from left to right: 8-year-old Leo, 100-year-old Leo, 45-year-old Leo, 15-year-old Leo.

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