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  • If you have thoughts on City at War, write it here.

    My thoughts:

    The Turtles, Casey and the Mighty Mutanimals will fight off the Foot Clan and the Purple Dragons.

    Master Splinter and April journeys through the sewers and the city of New York to find Karai.

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    • You know, of all the different things that happen in the Mirage City at War arc, I can think of one that can actually realistically happen in the 2012 TV series:

      Casey gives up on April and finds someone else.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      You know, of all the different things that happen in the Mirage City at War arc, I can think of one that can actually realistically happen in the 2012 TV series:

      Casey gives up on April and finds someone else.

      Do you think it's really gonna happen or something?

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    • I known it's a long shot, but what if they bring in Pimiko as replacement for Karai in the Foot?

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      I known it's a long shot, but what if they bring in Pimiko as replacement for Karai in the Foot?

      Who's Pimiko?

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    • Julian15bernardino: Honestly, I'm not expecting anything at this point except more stale writing and wooden dialogue. Of all the really bad ideas they could have gone with, they're going to try to convert a story as complicated as City at War in just one half-hour episode? The original story was 330 comic pages long and was published over a span of 13 issues—more than a full year.

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    • Julian14bernardino: Pimiko was a recurring antagonist in Image TMNT. She was Oroku Saki's biological daughter.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Julian15bernardino: Honestly, I'm not expecting anything at this point except more stale writing and wooden dialogue. Of all the really bad ideas they could have gone with, they're going to try to convert a story as complicated as City at War in just one half-hour episode? The original story was 330 comic pages long and was published over a span of 13 issues—more than a full year.

      So the version of City at War is a TMNT comic?

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    • Julian14bernardino:

      Yes, the first version of City at War was a comics series. Very dark, very moody, very contemplative, and also very violent, and at times disturbing (with stuff like cannibalism). The turtles, Karai, Splinter, April and Casey each deal with great crises in their lives, and for better or for worse end up making permanent changes to their lives. It also marks the point when the turtles can no longer really be called teenagers, and instead have become adults. It's really considered one of the absolute best TMNT stories ever done, which means that all future adaptations are necessarily judged by the high standards of the original.

      If they're honestly going to try to cram such a formula into 21 to 22 minutes, it sounds like they're not remotely taking it seriously. The 2003 TV series adapted its version of City at War in...what was it? Three episodes? It's a critical juncture in all the characters' lives—none of the characters involved should be able to just waltz right through it and return to some status quo, because the status quo can never quite be the same again.

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    • In this part of the original story's plot, Splinter has fallen into a pit and broken his leg, with no likelihood of ever being rescued. Hours turn into days, and days turn into weeks. He can collect water from rain, but he has no food, and he's beginning to starve to death. His only companion is the Rat King, who keeps visiting him but never lifts so much as a finger to help him.

      Splinter faces starvation

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    • ...though, it probably goes without saying that no other adaptation of City at War adapted the Splinter survival subplot. Even the IDW comics were never quite this bold.

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    • Oh, did I mention the turtles (minus Splinter, April or Casey) made their new lair inside a water tower? :)

      Watertower

      Quite the inversion of most of their lairs—not only was it not in the sewer, but it was high above a city building rooftop. The 2003 TV series adaptation had them briefly trying to live inside a water tower, but the original version of City at War had them living in it for half the story. It was poorly insulated and much of the story took place during winter, so even inside their lair they were constantly wrapping themselves in blankets to keep warm.

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    • And there's also this.

      April's fathers

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      You know, of all the different things that happen in the Mirage City at War arc, I can think of one that can actually realistically happen in the 2012 TV series:

      Casey gives up on April and finds someone else.


      I agree. Casey should've BEEN give up on April. She was literally bipolar around him but over the episodes she made it clear she's more into Donatello. I'm not a shipper but she's kissed and has been MORE concerned with Donatello way more than Casey. If Casey did something stupid or fell she would say what now Jones or some insult. If Donnie steps on a nail she'll go all out for him. If I were Casey i would've quit on April last season

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Julian15bernardino: Honestly, I'm not expecting anything at this point except more stale writing and wooden dialogue. Of all the really bad ideas they could have gone with, they're going to try to convert a story as complicated as City at War in just one half-hour episode? The original story was 330 comic pages long and was published over a span of 13 issues—more than a full year.

      the writing has been terrible since season 3. Once they hit the woods it was like cmon. Then it started to be ok once they left and then the writers decided to go off tangent and throw in tricertons and create a whole new problem for season 4. I mean this show used to be good but eh, it's too much sci fi not enough ninjas

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    • I don't know City at War was one of the best arcs ever made in the TMNT franchise that was like a rite of passage for the turtles and they became grown up. The turtles here should be at least 17 or 18 by now considering the fact that they keep saying oh the kraang happened a year ago, this happened 6  months ago. Everything else is moving why aren't the turtles april and casey aging? I personally would want them to age because the character development would've been way better. Putting that into an episode are you kidding me? City at War? The writers dissapointed me so many times and you want to re create as something as highly developed and detailed as this arc into a 30 minute episode? I don't know.

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    • KunokitaxD4:

      There's nothing intrinsically wrong with tons of rural scenery or tons of advanced sci-fi in a TMNT story. It's been done well before. ...and it's also been done terribly before, such as recently.

      But I do think City at War was one of the best story arcs because of its powerful page-by-page character development. Characters went through the wringer to really, truly, find out who they are and who they want (and need) to become. And it's one of my favorite kinds of TMNT story—lots and lots of thought, feeling and slice-of-life experience. It's the kind of story where you see characters hit rock bottom, or see them be bored out of their skulls for months on end, but it's in these moments that some people really stop and think about their purpose in life. And I was especially interested in the argument the turtles had together over whether to make a treaty with the Foot Clan, whether it was the right thing to do, what the implications of it were going to be; and then, when faced with Karai clutching her only daughter the Shredder Elites had just murdered...

      Karai and Leonardo make a pact

      ...and Leonardo, as leader, made a decision. They weren't sure it would be the best decision, or even whether it was the right decision. But Leo made the decision for the team, and the team stood by it, and lived with the consequences. Those consequences would prove to be a final end of war with the Foot Clan. It's not like they believed the Foot were suddenly virtuous—they were still a criminal enterprise. But this was the turtles, as adults, picking their battles and deciding which battles they could no longer afford. And for all the things that could be said to describe Karai, she at least proved to be honorable with her agreements. ...at least until she had become old and senile in Silent Night, but by then she was more an object of pity than enmity.

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    • We still have to wait for the official description or plot for City at War.

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    • True.

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    • Here are my thoughts:

      It starts off with the Turtles and Splinter still searching for Karai. Somehow, Shredder exposes the Turtles to the public and turns all of New York against them. The Foot form a militia of people to hunt down the Turtles, Mutanimals, and other allies. 

      There are people saying that it's supposed to be some sort of "Human vs Mutant" arc sort of thing.

      Anyway, that's just my opinion.

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    • Iron117Prime wrote:
      Here are my thoughts:

      It starts off with the Turtles and Splinter still searching for Karai. Somehow, Shredder exposes the Turtles to the public and turns all of New York against them. The Foot form a militia of people to hunt down the Turtles, Mutanimals, and other allies. 

      There are people saying that it's supposed to be some sort of "Human vs Mutant" arc sort of thing.

      Anyway, that's just my opinion.

      What about April and Casey? Don't forget them.

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    • I decidedly wouldn't be in favor of such a scenario. I can understand a scenario that allows a certain level of public exposure, like what Mirage Volume 4 created. But a scenario where the turtles themselves become famous? I really don't like public enemy #1 or celebrity scenarios, because then it permanently ruins one of the most appealing aspects of their character—their discretion. That was one of the things I disliked the most about the 1987 TV series—they had become famous as super star ninja turtles, which affected both how they were embraced and how they were vilified. Even in Mirage Volume 4, their exposure coincided with a public contact with the Utroms and a peaceful mass arrival of aliens, and suddenly the turtles could walk in public and still not garner excess attention because they were "just more aliens." Most notably, it didn't affect their effectiveness as ninja, because their species was no longer that conspicuous a component, and they were still allowed to begin to live fairly ordinary surface lives, getting jobs, buying groceries, all of that, without constant celebrity recognition and attention. If one of the turtles were to attract celebrity status, I would prefer it be more like Chris Bradford who keeps his human identity's Foot Clan affiliation strictly confidential; even then, Chris Bradford is more famous for what he can do, rather than for what he is.

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    • Iron117Prime wrote:
      Here are my thoughts:

      It starts off with the Turtles and Splinter still searching for Karai. Somehow, Shredder exposes the Turtles to the public and turns all of New York against them. The Foot form a militia of people to hunt down the Turtles, Mutanimals, and other allies. 

      There are people saying that it's supposed to be some sort of "Human vs Mutant" arc sort of thing.

      Anyway, that's just my opinion.

      I doubt it. After what Splinter did to him in "Earth's Last Stand", he'll be out of action for a while.

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    • Now, following up from my previous comment.

      In TMNT stories, the ninja's best friend as a ninja, is discretion. The Hamato Clan in Japan lived public lives, and they had a very locatable dōjō. But what were they, publicly? Martial arts practitioners? Conservators of antique weapon-making arts? At best theoretical ninja? When the whole world starts to know the things you do in the dark, it becomes a whole lot harder to do it secretly, and curious people will follow you around, as Kurtzman did.

      Now what is the 2K12 general public aware of? They know about aliens, and they know about mutants, and certain mutants like Garson Grunge are even celebrities. This makes it theoretically possible for many of the other mutants in-universe to start living public lives, which is made a lot easier if there are a lot of them. Still, it seemed to me that Splinter was more upset about his sons being caught on video by Vic's smartphone and Joan Grody's camera crew when they were engaging in ninja stealth and fighting activities. It's one thing to publicly practice some kind of ninjutsu-based art, but another thing entirely to be caught in violent and illegal situations.

      Remember what Bradford said when Xever talked about how he survived in prison? "I'll keep that in mind if I'm ever stupid enough to wind up in prison." (Or something along those lines.) His Foot Clan activities are a closely-guarded secret, so that Bradford could continue to enjoy a public life. It is true that mutant Bradford doesn't practice nearly this much discretion, and even very publicly escorts the Shredder, like when they dined with Don Vizioso in that restaurant; but Bradford is still a wealthy celebrity martial artist with a chain of commercial dōjō, and that would be in jeopardy if the public knew that the human Chris Bradford were directly participating in so much organized crime, because for starters his business assets could be seized in a RICO investigation. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Bradford has been the Foot Clan's #1 donor of funds to finance all their operations, perhaps through some kind of money laundering scheme. Bradford may have even been the one who originally bought the Foot headquarters building in New York before Oroku Saki left Tōkyō.

      I think it would ultimately be nice if Splinter, turtles, Mutanimals, etc. could all find a way to live peaceful public lives as relatively ordinary people with homes, jobs, etc. But if you're a ninja involved in black operations, you're insane not to still be keeping secrets, and that means doing all you can to avoid becoming famous for those secrets.

      Do I expect the writers to give things this much thought? No, very much not. In fact, the less thought they give these details, the less respect I have for their writing, which has contributed to my low opinion of later seasons. But I think that if a TMNT story wants to be a better story than not, it has to remain self-aware and at least appear like it's trying to avoid major plot holes.

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    • I could think of battles in City at War.

      Leo VS Tiger Claw (Foot-Bots)

      April VS Bebop (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Raph VS Rocksteady (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Donnie VS Fishface (South American gangs)

      Mikey VS Rahzar (Foot-Bots)

      Casey VS Hun (Purple Dragons)

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:

      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      I known it's a long shot, but what if they bring in Pimiko as replacement for Karai in the Foot?

      Who's Pimiko?

      Pimiko is Shredder's daughter from (Image Comics) continuity, Raphael meets and forms alliance with her because after shredder's death Raphael for a time becomes the new Shredder in order to maintain order in the foot clan. I don't think Pimiko will show up since Karai is combination of several different characters and pimiko's presence would be confusing, expecially since in the Image comics continuity Karai was Lady Shredder.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote: I could think of battles in City at War.

      Leo VS Tiger Claw (Foot-Bots)

      April VS Bebop (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Raph VS Rocksteady (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Donnie VS Fishface (South American gangs)

      Mikey VS Rahzar (Foot-Bots)

      Casey VS Hun (Purple Dragons)

      You Forgot Baxter Stockman, he should be paired with Don Visioso and the Fulchi Twins.

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    • Here's my thought.

      Previously on TMNT....the fighting between the Triceratons vs. the Turtles, the Mutanimals and April and Casey, trying to save the planet...

      Then unknown to them, someone has recorded their fight using a smart phones then posted on the internet about the existance of mutants and aliens.

      This creates a mass panic and the government has issued a search and capture of the mutants. (This is like Days of Future Past).

      This gives the Foot Clan the opportunity to capture the Turtles with the help of the government to become Mutant Hunters...

      April and Casey becomes prisoners to the government in hunting the Mutants.

      This will make a great Version of City at War.... What do you think?  Too Simple

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    • MarioLuigiGCFan wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote: I could think of battles in City at War.

      Leo VS Tiger Claw (Foot-Bots)

      April VS Bebop (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Raph VS Rocksteady (Steranko's russian mobs)

      Donnie VS Fishface (South American gangs)

      Mikey VS Rahzar (Foot-Bots)

      Casey VS Hun (Purple Dragons)

      You Forgot Baxter Stockman, he should be paired with Don Visioso and the Fulchi Twins.

      The Mighty Mutanimals VS Baxter Stockman (Don Vizioso and the Fulchi Twins)

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    • I think the City at War Story and Human vs Mutants Story are seperate Stories. I also think that City at War could be a 2 part episode as the mid season final wasn't a 2 part episode.

      I reckon that with Shredder down, all the villians will go to war with each other to try and take over New York. The Turtles and the Mutanimals help to stop the war. 

      I reckon it's going to go like this

      Tiger Claw, Rahzar, Baxer and The Foot Bots vs

      Fishface and the South American Gangs vs

      Bebop, Rocksteady and the Russian Gangs vs

      Hun and The Purple Dragons and other asian gangs vss

      The Italian Mafia vs

      Karai, Snakeweed, Spider Bytez and other mutants

      At the end of the story all the mutants will be exposed except for the Turtles. In the Humans vs Mutants story, Anti mutant groups will be formed and they will go after mutants maybe even beat up a few of them.

      As the turtles arn't fully exposed they end up argueing over it because 2 of them want stop the anti mutant group and help there friends but the other 2 don't want to because they will be exposed but in the end 1 of the turtles ends up getting seriously hurt by saving one of there friends from the anti mutant group. The other Turtles save him but they end up being exposed.

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    • wtf Sorry for my language but ... Karai isn't a mutant anymore ... and why would she ever team up with snakeweed or spidr bytez.

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    • Karia is a mutant, did you watch the Deadly Venom and The Fourfold trap. 

      Not exactly a team up it be just a load of random mutants joining in on the gang war.

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    • any news on the date yet? Will it be a few monthes like in July or a "few" monthes as in next Januaray?

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    • I'm thinking June 5, Nick aired The Arena of Carnage on April 10. The War for Dimension X on April 17, The Cosmic Ocean on April 24, Trans-Dimensional Turtles on May 1, Revenge of the Triceratons on May 8, The Eveil of Dregg on May 15, The Ever-Burning Fire on May 22, Earth's Last Stand on April 29, and then we shoud go into City at War.  The last time we saw new episodes was The War for Dimension X right into The Cosmic Ocean.

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    • Oh, I just realized... I know why the show is going on such a long hiatus for months. The new film is about to be released. They did this in 2014 too—they took away all attention from the TV show for months while they heavily exclusively promoted movie. All this must be timed to give the new movie's theatrical run as long a push as possible without the TV show distracting audiences.

      Although, back in 2014, the TV show was still good, so it actually was quite a bit more frustrating to wait that long for new episodes. But since the TV show has gotten really, really awful, I no longer feel that impatience. Instead, I just feel sad as the show I love continues to suck. Funny how it used to be the show that was great and the movie that was terrible; but it seems they finally managed to make the show catch up a little more with the movies in that regard: Higher budget special effects, zero attempt to write decent story.

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    • Aaron aka Game Master wrote:
      I'm thinking June 5, Nick aired The Arena of Carnage on April 10. The War for Dimension X on April 17, The Cosmic Ocean on April 24, Trans-Dimensional Turtles on May 1, Revenge of the Triceratons on May 8, The Eveil of Dregg on May 15, The Ever-Burning Fire on May 22, Earth's Last Stand on April 29, and then we shoud go into City at War.  The last time we saw new episodes was The War for Dimension X right into The Cosmic Ocean.

      Let's hope. I don't want to have to wait a "few" monthes for next January for the next episode.

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    • I doubt it will be next January, maybe August...

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      I doubt it will be next January, maybe August...

      Next August?! "Darn".

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    • No, this August XD They don't make us wait that long I don't think, next January or August.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      No, this August XD They don't make us wait that long I don't think, next January or August.

      You'd be surprised but I hope you're right. XD

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    • Well, if they're really gonna make us wait THAT long, I hope all the things we hope for are worth the wait, ya hear me Nickelodeon?! Don't screw us over again!!!

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    • Christopher, Christopher, Christopher. I would hope you know very well that there's every probability they will screw us over again, and then again after that. Besides, to be a longtime TMNT fan is to occasionally know extreme disappointment. Welcome to the club, buddy. :)

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well, if they're really gonna make us wait THAT long, I hope all the things we hope for are worth the wait, ya hear me Nickelodeon?! Don't screw us over again!!!

      Yeah...sorry my friend...I kind of have to go with Gilgameshkun on this. I'm usually the optimist but after having to wait half a year or maybe even longer, in the past, I have to wonder if they'll just do that again...

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    • Well, knowing the likelihood of something bad happening, means that a TMNT fan can diversify their interests. There's all sorts of different TMNT out there, including stuff that's still being published. If one of them has a bed spell, there are still others.

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    • In addition to the TV series that started hitting a really bad spell for me a whole year ago, I'm also following no fewer than four separate TMNT comics series still being updated.

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    • Nick won't screw this up, their second parts of the season tend to be way better than the first, so we'll be fine. I'm so excited for it?

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    • Though I was wondering about the Russian mobs, Italian mobs, Asian gangs and South American gangs that Shredder mentioned in CASEY JONES VS THE UNDERWORLD.

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    • My thoughts are that Shredder will form an army from the enitre New York criminal underworld; Russian Mob, Italian Mafia, Asian gangs, and South American gangs, and his own Foot soldiers, and wage war on the Turtles and their allies (Slash, Leatherhead, Casey, Rockwell, Pete, April, Muckman, and Mondo) with a sub-plot of the Turtles looking for Karai

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Fernando Pandha wrote:
      I known it's a long shot, but what if they bring in Pimiko as replacement for Karai in the Foot?
      Who's Pimiko?

      She is Shredder's possible daughter in the comics. A kunoichi who was hired by a mutant komodo dragon named "Warlord" Go-Komodo aka The Dragonlord.

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    • ooh possibly...

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    •             First Splinter is out looking for karai and finds her. At the same time shredder contacts the turtles and says we will have a battle at the docks.So the battle will be

      Splinter and Leo vs Shredder 

      Raph vs Tigerclaw and Rocksteady 

      Donnie vs Rahzar and Bebop

      Mikey vs Fishface 

      April vs footbots

      Casey vs Hun and Purple Dragons

      They are forced to do this because Rahzar captured all the mutanimals and Muckman and Mondo Gecko. Shredder was going to mutate them if the Turtles didn't show up.


                   

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    • You know, I keep seeing these ideas that it's going to be some kind of face off with A vs. B and C vs. D and E vs. F, etc. But that seems too organized. The climax of the original City of War was as chaotic as it was violent. They were in it to prevail, not to have a bunch of simultaneous dramatic one-on-one fights like a tournament fighting game. Like, when Karai was close to being killed, Donnie (whose leg had just been broken and was crawling on the floor) struggled to pick up a machine gun one of the Foot Elites had dropped, and shot numerous bullets into Karai's opponent. ...Okay, nothing quite so brutal will happen in TV-Y7, but it would be letting down the template if the climactic fight were so artificially organized.

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    • Yeah they might put Mikey against the Shredder like they did in the 2003 back to the sewers where mikey defeated him. If they did do this, I dont think he would beat the shredder, but a good fight'd be good xD idk

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    • But when the freak is this episode coming out?

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    • Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.

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    • Meanwhile, find and read Mirage's version of City at War. :)

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.

      Of course...its always LATE in the month! Why isn't anything in the begining of the month?!

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Of course...its always LATE in the month! Why isn't anything in the begining of the month?!

      All I know is for their sake it better be worth the wait.

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    • For milking both theater and home video sales of Out of the Shadows without TV distractions, of course. Thank goodness IDW is not this anal.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      If you have thoughts on City at War, write it here.

      My thoughts:

      The Turtles, Casey and the Mighty Mutanimals will fight off the Foot Clan and the Purple Dragons.

      Master Splinter and April journeys through the sewers and the city of New York to find Karai.


      It's an interesting idea that could potentially lead up to the debute of a new "Super Shredder", but I have a 'maybe' theory on the plot. This could be the arc the developers announced as an answer to a fan's question. This Story Arc was the 'Humans VS Mutants' plot where humans start objecting to the mutants who still live in the city. This could bring out the wrath of the Earth Protection Force, who have (in some incarnations) been known to have a slight opposition with the Turtles due to their differences. Everything else is only speculation...

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    • No not real, it's poorly written and its Imbd anyone/everyone edits whatever they want.

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    • this is taking forever!!!!!!! When is this episode coming out?! they've been on hiatus for a while now!

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Iron117Prime wrote:
      Here are my thoughts:

      It starts off with the Turtles and Splinter still searching for Karai. Somehow, Shredder exposes the Turtles to the public and turns all of New York against them. The Foot form a militia of people to hunt down the Turtles, Mutanimals, and other allies. 

      There are people saying that it's supposed to be some sort of "Human vs Mutant" arc sort of thing.

      Anyway, that's just my opinion.

      What about April and Casey? Don't forget them.

      In this TV Show they leave April and Casey out of TMNT'S most important scenes (KARAI'S MUTATION!)

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Of course...its always LATE in the month! Why isn't anything in the begining of the month?!
      All I know is for their sake it better be worth the wait.

      Agreed. If not I will sue them.

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    • Fugidude wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Of course...its always LATE in the month! Why isn't anything in the begining of the month?!
      All I know is for their sake it better be worth the wait.
      Agreed. If not I will sue them.
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    • I guess ignoring me's an olympic event or something.

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    • Werehog21 wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      If you have thoughts on City at War, write it here.

      My thoughts:

      The Turtles, Casey and the Mighty Mutanimals will fight off the Foot Clan and the Purple Dragons.

      Master Splinter and April journeys through the sewers and the city of New York to find Karai.


      It's an interesting idea that could potentially lead up to the debute of a new "Super Shredder", but I have a 'maybe' theory on the plot. This could be the arc the developers announced as an answer to a fan's question. This Story Arc was the 'Humans VS Mutants' plot where humans start objecting to the mutants who still live in the city. This could bring out the wrath of the Earth Protection Force, who have (in some incarnations) been known to have a slight opposition with the Turtles due to their differences. Everything else is only speculation...

      That would be awesome!!! I'd love to see more epf, but they couldn't use Biehop because they already used him as a kraang. And I hope there'd be a shredder vs turtles fight in the city at war plot as well as the humans vs mutants tho, apart from that awesome theory!!

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    • https://www.instagram.com/p/BH0ISdODHHn/

      Here's a new TMNT promo video.

      Now that the space arc is done, here comes the new episodes.

      See what will happen to Leo April and Karai when they're trapped by Baxter Stockman.

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    • I could barely hear it because it was in poor quality, did it say when it would air?

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      I could barely hear it because it was in poor quality, did it say when it would air?

      Not sure. Maybe after SDCC.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      I could barely hear it because it was in poor quality, did it say when it would air?
      Not sure. Maybe after SDCC.

      Well, until the official airdate is given, as far as I know, it's late September, and it would seem if this promo is real, that our prayers about Karai will finally be answered hopefully.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      https://www.instagram.com/p/BH0ISdODHHn/

      Here's a new TMNT promo video.

      Now that the space arc is done, here comes the new episodes.

      See what will happen to Leo April and Karai when they're trapped by Baxter Stockman.

      I was afraid of this, someone's found an interest in Leo, April and Karai, and if Stockman's eager for what they have, then he may have found a possible ally in Spiderbytes!

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    • Werehog21 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      https://www.instagram.com/p/BH0ISdODHHn/Here's a new TMNT promo video.

      Now that the space arc is done, here comes the new episodes.

      See what will happen to Leo April and Karai when they're trapped by Baxter Stockman.

      I was afraid of this, someone's found an interest in Leo, April and Karai, and if Stockman's eager for what they have, then he may have found a possible ally in Spiderbytes!

      so karai is really on their side now? well at least we know shes alive

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    • Of course she's alive, when did we see her die?

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    • Werehog21 wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      https://www.instagram.com/p/BH0ISdODHHn/

      Here's a new TMNT promo video.

      Now that the space arc is done, here comes the new episodes.

      See what will happen to Leo April and Karai when they're trapped by Baxter Stockman.

      I was afraid of this, someone's found an interest in Leo, April and Karai, and if Stockman's eager for what they have, then he may have found a possible ally in Spiderbytes!

      Huh?

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    • By the way April was wearing a different suit. I hope it's ninja-like.

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    • Are you sure this was even real? It says it's not available anymore.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Are you sure this was even real? It says it's not available anymore.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjFltLdFaM Here's another link.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Are you sure this was even real? It says it's not available anymore.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDjFltLdFaM Here's another link.

      Thanks.

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    • Don't forget to see the SDCC 2016 for something new about TMNT 2012.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.

      Auman has lied before on airdates he said riddle of the Ancient Aeons would air in february and it aired on January 10th I's say late August.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Auman has lied before on airdates he said riddle of the Ancient Aeons would air in february and it aired on January 10th I's say late August.

      That's probably because the studio decided to air it then, not because Auman lied. He has no control over what decisions they make.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Auman has lied before on airdates he said riddle of the Ancient Aeons would air in february and it aired on January 10th I's say late August.
      That's probably because the studio decided to air it then, not because Auman lied. He has no control over what decisions they make.

      Well either way it means he isn't totally reliable and I doubt it would air in late september as it will be only a month away from the season being 1 year old and it will only be around the halfway mark while all the previous seasons have completely finished in less than a year but they could do something like a week of premeirs and it be by far the longest hiatis the show has had 5 months while others hve been around for 2-3 and a half months also where did he say it would air in late september.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Late September I'm afraid, Brandon Auman confirmed it.
      Auman has lied before on airdates he said riddle of the Ancient Aeons would air in february and it aired on January 10th I's say late August.
      That's probably because the studio decided to air it then, not because Auman lied. He has no control over what decisions they make.
      Well either way it means he isn't totally reliable and I doubt it would air in late september as it will be only a month away from the season being 1 year old and it will only be around the halfway mark while all the previous seasons have completely finished in less than a year but they could do something like a week of premeirs and it be by far the longest hiatis the show has had 5 months while others hve been around for 2-3 and a half months also where did he say it would air in late september.

      well i mean look what happened in season 1 with new girl in town and it came from the depths and I, monster. it was supposed to be in a specific order but NICK just decided to release them in random order. that's not what ciro nieli and brandon auman wanted. Nick has COMPLETE control over when it gets released. since they have brand new shows releasing now like the Loud House, Sanjay and Craig, they got Nick Sports etc. not to mention Spongebob came out with like a week of new episodes, they are probably (knowing how Nick has a bunch of douchebags) purposely is holding it off until later in the summer or early fall idk. they've done this to TMNT before and they screwed over Legend of Korra with this so I'm not surprised. Nick already has gotten the money from TMNT's michael bay movie, and the merchandise and the app games so honestly they can care less. they are taking their precious time. which is why a lot of creators on nick get so pissed off. Butch Hartman especially at one time.

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    • Look at the episode trans dimensiaonal turtles. That was supposed to be a special. But what did NICK do? They treated it like a regular episode literally no one really knew about it unless you're die hard TMNT fans you'll know it's every sunday at 11am. But Nick did not release any commercials for it UNTIL AFTER the episode aired like are you serious? This is not the first time Nick screwed TMNT over. Ever since season 3 Nick doesn't really release as much ads for new episodes as often as they do with Spongebob. One new episode of Spongebob Nick will let the whole world know months in advanced. So honestly, I'm not sitting around waiting when this next episode of TMNT is coming cause I'm not a fan of this season anyway and I know how Nickelodeon is I've been with these losers since the mid 90s I know the games they play. So until a release date is confirmed all we can do is enjoy our summer and look out for a date ourseleves cause we can't depend on Nick like 90 percent of the time unless your their favorite *cough* Spongebob,,,

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    • Yeah, Nick really screwed over TMNT since season 3. Even Amazing Adventures has really quickly stagnated hard after a decent first seven issues, what with it being given all the creative treatment of a cartoon-merchandised snackfood; even many of the backup stories in those first seven issues could be painfully uninteresting. It's become easier to retreat into the comfort of well-written 2K12 fan fiction like Hindsight.

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    • YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!

      say whhhhaaaatt

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    • KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!
      say whhhhaaaatt

      I know right?

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!
      say whhhhaaaatt
      I know right?

      Where did you hear that.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!
      say whhhhaaaatt
      I know right?
      Where did you hear that.

      http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/147810258141/booyakasha-tmnt-returns-sunday-august-14th

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      YES!!! City at War will air on August 14!!!! TMNT is returning next month!!
      say whhhhaaaatt
      I know right?
      Where did you hear that.
      http://tmnt.tumblr.com/post/147810258141/booyakasha-tmnt-returns-sunday-august-14th

      Yes finally I knew it wouldn't ari in september.

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    • They confirmed it would be August 14th at SDCC.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      They confirmed it would be August 14th at SDCC.

      Finally an air date

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    • who the heck is shinigami the mystic wittch of the foot clan???and how old is she??? cause every time i see a female I get nervous lol cause one these turtles might find her attractive and be ANOTHER love interest cause thats all the female tmnt characters are good for these days..... i mean i hope she doesnt replace the whole leo and karai thing  going on cause i'm not too much of a fan of leorai but i am so used to  watching them. she even looks like half catwoman/batgirl thing going on. i swear please Leonardo, cause that's who's in the sketch, stick to karai pleeeeasee
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    • here's another one picture of the witch lady. I mean she's pretty in this picture but still I don't give a whoot if the other turtles like her or become ANOTHER love interest or whatever brandon auman and ciro neili wants to do with her in affiliation with them, but DONT TOUCH LEONARDO. P.S. she looks scary and dangeorous. Karai is like tame compared to her. where does shredder get these people?

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    • Tmnt new season 4 intro karai and shinnigami by ninjaturtlefangirl-dab0p6i-1-
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    • The person who has seen City at war yesterday at TMNT SDCC panel wrote Mikey got the hots for this girl Shinigami http://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/147812354675/dragonflyonbreak96-renet-is-not-the-only-girl#notes

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    • Amidgs wrote:
      The person who has seen City at war yesterday at TMNT SDCC panel wrote Mikey got the hots for this girl Shinigami

      http://tmntvicky.tumblr.com/post/147812354675/dragonflyonbreak96-renet-is-not-the-only-girl#notes

      UGHHHH mikey? again? what the hell is up with the love interests??? is it because fans knew renet and mikey was a big failure and decided to give mikey a second chance? why can't females in tmnt be independent stand alone characters? is that all their good for? its so annoying

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    • Mikey having multiple crushes over the course of a TMNT series is not necessarily anything unusual. But in all his time in the 2012 TV series there has been only one character he has had real believable romantic chemistry with: Leatherhead.

      I know writers like to rotate love interests in TV speed dating, but they do us and Mikey a disservice by only giving him shallow love interest after shallow love interest after shallow love interest all after we already saw early on just how deeply, sincerely, emotionally (and even G-rated-physically) intimate with someone he loves.

      But really, if they insist on giving him temporary crushes, they should rotate more between guys and gals (like with Mikey's one-sided man-crush on Chris Bradford), and also avoid the risk of making Mikeyhead look like a joke.

      And for the love of sanity everywhere, stop making love interests so easy! Every time two characters appear to fall completely and totally in love in 15 seconds, we all become dumber for witnessing it. Doubly so if it involves a woman with a D-cup and 1% body fat everywhere else; I'm looking at you, Turtles in Time. I mean, at least April never immediately returned Donnie's affections, and we still don't know if Karai has any real interest in Leo. Love is a challenge; make characters earn their happy endings and develop themselves in the process.

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    • I can't wait for city at war!!!! hopefully they dont screw up this crush thing xD

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Mikey having multiple crushes over the course of a TMNT series is not necessarily anything unusual. But in all his time in the 2012 TV series there has been only one character he has had real believable romantic chemistry with: Leatherhead.

      I know writers like to rotate love interests in TV speed dating, but they do us and Mikey a disservice by only giving him shallow love interest after shallow love interest after shallow love interest all after we already saw early on just how deeply, sincerely, emotionally (and even G-rated-physically) intimate with someone he loves.

      But really, if they insist on giving him temporary crushes, they should rotate more between guys and gals (like with Mikey's one-sided man-crush on Chris Bradford), and also avoid the risk of making Mikeyhead look like a joke.

      And for the love of sanity everywhere, stop making love interests so easy! Every time two characters appear to fall completely and totally in love in 15 seconds, we all become dumber for witnessing it. Doubly so if it involves a woman with a D-cup and 1% body fat everywhere else; I'm looking at you, Turtles in Time. I mean, at least April never immediately returned Donnie's affections, and we still don't know if Karai has any real interest in Leo. Love is a challenge; make characters earn their happy endings and develop themselves in the process.

      this is what I'm saying, it's not realistic it's more like you're hot moving on. leatherhead, chris bradford mikey like literally had feelings for them. he never stopped talking about chris bradford even when chris betrayed him he never got over it lol and leatherhead is his boyfriend. it's not formed properly. mona and raph were pathetic, it's not taken properly like raph and slah they have chemsistry. even though leo and karai is kind of confusing, still their bond is strong and it developed. so i hate these love interests out of nowehere and forced

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    • Although I hate to admit it I wouldn't mind seeing a love triangle of Leo, Karai and Shinigami sorry XD

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    • Would you people stop with the 'love-character' stuff? Shinigami deserves to be a villain, she shouldn't have to be another Karai/Miwa! If it's going to get that weird, if fans keep annoyingly begging for a character to hook up with the new girl, how about the creators shut you all up with Shinigami and Karai being a couple? That's right, I think Karai's a LEZBO! That coupling both burns the fans and shuts them up at the same time, so I'm all for it if it ends the nonsense!

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    • I'm very curious about this Shinigami character and I can't wait to see what she's like.  I hope the creators finally give us another diverse female character.  I also hope Miwa gets more screen time in the show from now on, becuase I'm honestly getting tired of Nick dragging it out.

      By the way, I honestly don't really care about the romance of the show.  It's just really messed up at this point anyway.

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    • Werehog21: You mean to say, "That's right, I think Karai's a lesbian." You can say that. But "lezbo" is a pretty offensive term. Also, personally, I don't think I'd really be bothered if she was a lesbian. I mean, she's a kunoichi, so she knows how to use sex appeal as a weapon against men. But it's never really been resolved whether she actually has feelings for Leo. And ultimately, that's okay; there are other ways for the characters to develop more closely.

      DPfanboy: Yes, the show needs more developed characters. And yes, the romance is kinda messed up. I think both problems tend to be a problem of too much bad writing, lazy writing or just dropping or dragging out plot threads without resolving them. And of course, when those are masked with inelegant retcons, it feels like brushing clutter under a rug and just ending up with a lumpy rug.

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    • KunokitaxD4 wrote:

      this is what I'm saying, it's not realistic it's more like you're hot moving on. leatherhead, chris bradford mikey like literally had feelings for them. he never stopped talking about chris bradford even when chris betrayed him he never got over it lol and leatherhead is his boyfriend. it's not formed properly. mona and raph were pathetic, it's not taken properly like raph and slah they have chemsistry. even though leo and karai is kind of confusing, still their bond is strong and it developed. so i hate these love interests out of nowehere and forced

      There's a bit of ambiguity in your words, so I had to reread what you said several times. (Run-on sentences and ambiguous pronouns are not our friends. XD) But if by "hot moving on" you mean "fast, easy and shallow love interests," I agree. Those annoy me to no end.

      Mikey may have lingering baggage from Chris Bradford, and there were signs of that in later season 1 episodes, though he seemed to gradually recover from it in a relatively healthy manner...except for still keeping that life-sized cardboard cutout of Bradford in his bedroom. It was so not healthy for Mikey to keep a life-sized reminder of the object of his infatuation who manipulated his trust to get to try to kill the rest of his family. (Alternative interpretation: Mikey perhaps naïvely hopes Bradford can still be saved, in which case the cardboard cutout is creepily touching. XD)

      With Leatherhead, I liked how they had some natural chemistry at first, but were sincerely trying to be friends even when their actions, emotions and body language were saying more. And then you knew something was there when Mikey tracked LH to his home...to share anger, hurt and love for his friend. His pupils spontaneously dilating at "I thought we were friends" was a really nice body language easter egg. (And the hormone rush of the day is called "dopamine," folks. :) ) Personally, I think it's possible they never called each other boyfriends, but their feelings and actions did that for them, which is why, in retrospect, it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise that they were sleeping together—only surprising that a TV-Y7 show would actually show that, up front and center. It's not just the way Mikey always rushes to Leatherhead's side, but also the way he calls LH "buddy" or more colorfully "my big green buddy" which in context sound more like a terms of romantic endearment.

      But Mikey and Renet? I don't think I can imagine a worse way to write that in TV-Y7. It not only felt lazy and thrown together, but the stark implication that Mikey had never been in love with anyone was insulting to the intelligence of anyone more socially aware than a grapefruit. (But if you understand the industry, it's less surprising. The Fleeting Demographic Rule allows showrunners relatively free rein to recycle storylines and even drastically retool elements after just two years, because the average member of the target audience has reliably forgotten they existed. ...And that's the sound of me losing faith in humanity's intelligence. XD)

      As I've been saying, I think all these interpersonal entanglements were handled with a lot more depth and subtlety in seasons 1 and 2. But come season 3, it's not just the romances that became one-dimensional—everyone became more one-dimensional. I recently compiled a private collection of clips of "the best of Raphael". 50 minutes in season 1. 35 minutes in season 2. ...a scant 5 minutes in season 3, and those were painfully tedious to hunt for in scene after scene of characters being self-contradictory or just plain wooden. Starting season 4, Splinter was dead, but it was everyone else who died on screen.

      But it also seems Nick is already taking this show's popularity for granted in the way they've stopped running previews for it while continuing to milk it for revenue. It took the 1987 TV series a few episodes to really start sucking, and it took the 2003 TV series five seasons before it really started sucking, but Nick went the middle route with two seasons of mostly-better-than-not episodes before the mediocrity really started to set in. Not that season 3 had no good episodes at all, but they were so scant.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4 wrote:

      this is what I'm saying, it's not realistic it's more like you're hot moving on. leatherhead, chris bradford mikey like literally had feelings for them. he never stopped talking about chris bradford even when chris betrayed him he never got over it lol and leatherhead is his boyfriend. it's not formed properly. mona and raph were pathetic, it's not taken properly like raph and slah they have chemsistry. even though leo and karai is kind of confusing, still their bond is strong and it developed. so i hate these love interests out of nowehere and forced

      There's a bit of ambiguity in your words, so I had to reread what you said several times. (Run-on sentences and ambiguous pronouns are not our friends. XD) But if by "hot moving on" you mean "fast, easy and shallow love interests," I agree. Those annoy me to no end.

      Mikey may have lingering baggage from Chris Bradford, and there were signs of that in later season 1 episodes, though he seemed to gradually recover from it in a relatively healthy manner...except for still keeping that life-sized cardboard cutout of Bradford in his bedroom. It was so not healthy for Mikey to keep a life-sized reminder of the object of his infatuation who manipulated his trust to get to try to kill the rest of his family. (Alternative interpretation: Mikey perhaps naïvely hopes Bradford can still be saved, in which case the cardboard cutout is creepily touching. XD)

      With Leatherhead, I liked how they had some natural chemistry at first, but were sincerely trying to be friends even when their actions, emotions and body language were saying more. And then you knew something was there when Mikey tracked LH to his home...to share anger, hurt and love for his friend. His pupils spontaneously dilating at "I thought we were friends" was a really nice body language easter egg. (And the hormone rush of the day is called "dopamine," folks. :) ) Personally, I think it's possible they never called each other boyfriends, but their feelings and actions did that for them, which is why, in retrospect, it shouldn't have been too much of a surprise that they were sleeping together—only surprising that a TV-Y7 show would actually show that, up front and center. It's not just the way Mikey always rushes to Leatherhead's side, but also the way he calls LH "buddy" or more colorfully "my big green buddy" which in context sound more like a terms of romantic endearment.

      But Mikey and Renet? I don't think I can imagine a worse way to write that in TV-Y7. It not only felt lazy and thrown together, but the stark implication that Mikey had never been in love with anyone was insulting to the intelligence of anyone more socially aware than a grapefruit. (But if you understand the industry, it's less surprising. The Fleeting Demographic Rule allows showrunners relatively free rein to recycle storylines and even drastically retool elements after just two years, because the average member of the target audience has reliably forgotten they existed. ...And that's the sound of me losing faith in humanity's intelligence. XD)

      As I've been saying, I think all these interpersonal entanglements were handled with a lot more depth and subtlety in seasons 1 and 2. But come season 3, it's not just the romances that became one-dimensional—everyone became more one-dimensional. I recently compiled a private collection of clips of "the best of Raphael". 50 minutes in season 1. 35 minutes in season 2. ...a scant 5 minutes in season 3, and those were painfully tedious to hunt for in scene after scene of characters being self-contradictory or just plain wooden. Starting season 4, Splinter was dead, but it was everyone else who died on screen.

      But it also seems Nick is already taking this show's popularity for granted in the way they've stopped running previews for it while continuing to milk it for revenue. It took the 1987 TV series a few episodes to really start sucking, and it took the 2003 TV series five seasons before it really started sucking, but Nick went the middle route with two seasons of mostly-better-than-not episodes before the mediocrity really started to set in. Not that season 3 had no good episodes at all, but they were so scant.

      with all due respect no need to be a smart ass. we came here to discuss tmnt not for you to self proclaim yourself as a tmnt know it all and bring down everybody like you think your're the creators themselves. heck you probably think you're smarter than them. don't correct me, dont tell me how my opinion or my grammar is wrong you dont have that position. I listen and read your essays that you post here and don't correct you for s&^*  so don't act self righteous and act like you're more articulate than everyone else here using big words and what not. it's disrespectul. we came here to talk about city at war and tmnt not to talk down on people assuming you have the slightest clue on what you're talking about. you're just as average as everyone else here.

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    • I'm not being a "smart ass." I genuinely found your comment difficult to sift through and had to reread it multiple times. It's a barrier to understanding and important to clarify. If your comments cannot be easily understood, then it defeats the purpose of commenting, and it's ultimately your own responsibility to try to speak more clearly. I was just trying to make sure I was understanding what you were saying the way you said it.

      And there's nothing wrong with the way I construct sentences and paragraphs; I use words I think are appropriate in a sentence, and not specifically "big words." I communicate the way I communicate and I write the way I write, and the words I use can be found in most any dictionary of the English language. I prefer to err on the side of eruditeness rather than ambiguity, because there can be no dictionary for words that are not even said.

      As for my commentary on the TMNT works, I have been reading or watching various incarnations of TMNT for decades now, and I'm entitled to express my opinions on shows, comics, characters, stories, and so forth. It is literary criticism. I am not a creator and I have never pretended to be one. On the contrary, I study and accumulate knowledge and trivia of the TMNT topics that interest me, because I am a long-time fan. And, at the very least, it also helps improve one's Turtlepedia editing.

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    • Tonree wrote:

      Werehog21 wrote:

      Julian14bernardino wrote:
      https://www.instagram.com/p/BH0ISdODHHn/Here's a new TMNT promo video.

      Now that the space arc is done, here comes the new episodes.

      See what will happen to Leo April and Karai when they're trapped by Baxter Stockman.

      I was afraid of this, someone's found an interest in Leo, April and Karai, and if Stockman's eager for what they have, then he may have found a possible ally in Spiderbytes!
      Huh?

      Well, you know, because of the web holding the trio up?

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      I'm very curious about this Shinigami character and I can't wait to see what she's like.  I hope the creators finally give us another diverse female character.  I also hope Miwa gets more screen time in the show from now on, becuase I'm honestly getting tired of Nick dragging it out.

      By the way, I honestly don't really care about the romance of the show.  It's just really messed up at this point anyway.


      I'm glad someone understands. I could understand April having to deal with Donnatello and Casey, but the other ideas for romance were getting a bit weird. Karai and Leo for one thing were a bit unlikely seeing as how Karai/Miwa has finally begun to emerge as her own character who deserves more "Main Character" time in a few episodes. Plus, Leo's love interest should be someone else who isn't a COMPLETE polar opposite. Also, some seemed to enjoy Mikey & Renet as a couple, but I have to say, she's too old for him and the idea that an adult woman would go on a date with a 15 year old turtle is, well, unsettling, it sounds like fans want her to be a pedophile or something. Raph & Mona Lisa however are a couple I could support, cute, rageful, and strange, they are amazing and they bring out a smile I haven't had for a TMNT couple in a long time.

      I prefer a better plot when it comes to the characters and their romances, and I think a few women characters deserve to have their own time in the spotlight like most male characters, like for instance, Shinigami (and possible future female villains) should have as much of a reputation and single one-soldier-army as the males (Rahzar, Bebop, Tiger Claw, and Rocksteady).

      Finally, it's just an idea or opinion, but April is great on her own or when working with the team, and I find myself enjoying the fact that Leonardo and her share something of a best friand and brother and sister bond. It would be interesting to see a 'romance' angle between April and Leo, but for now, the duo are great the way they are currently.

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    • So anyway, back to the subject. How does Shinigami connect with the plot of City at War? Does anybody suspect Shinigami after something in the city? She could probably use the city's distracting hatred for the mutants for something else only the turtles or Splinter know about.

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    • Werehog21 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      I'm very curious about this Shinigami character and I can't wait to see what she's like.  I hope the creators finally give us another diverse female character.  I also hope Miwa gets more screen time in the show from now on, becuase I'm honestly getting tired of Nick dragging it out.

      By the way, I honestly don't really care about the romance of the show.  It's just really messed up at this point anyway.


      I'm glad someone understands. I could understand April having to deal with Donnatello and Casey, but the other ideas for romance were getting a bit weird. Karai and Leo for one thing were a bit unlikely seeing as how Karai/Miwa has finally begun to emerge as her own character who deserves more "Main Character" time in a few episodes. Plus, Leo's love interest should be someone else who isn't a COMPLETE polar opposite. Also, some seemed to enjoy Mikey & Renet as a couple, but I have to say, she's too old for him and the idea that an adult woman would go on a date with a 15 year old turtle is, well, unsettling, it sounds like fans want her to be a pedophile or something. Raph & Mona Lisa however are a couple I could support, cute, rageful, and strange, they are amazing and they bring out a smile I haven't had for a TMNT couple in a long time.

      I prefer a better plot when it comes to the characters and their romances, and I think a few women characters deserve to have their own time in the spotlight like most male characters, like for instance, Shinigami (and possible future female villains) should have as much of a reputation and single one-soldier-army as the males (Rahzar, Bebop, Tiger Claw, and Rocksteady).

      Finally, it's just an idea or opinion, but April is great on her own or when working with the team, and I find myself enjoying the fact that Leonardo and her share something of a best friand and brother and sister bond. It would be interesting to see a 'romance' angle between April and Leo, but for now, the duo are great the way they are currently.

      i agree with leo having someone else, raph and mona were just for the fans and it comepletely punked whipped him. mona is literally the man in that relationship and it makes no sense since he had a deeper connection with slash. i hate when they just throw love interests in there. OK i get it they're teenage boys with overactive hormones you don't have to shove it in my face. this is teenage NINJA turtles not a soap opera like days of our lives. mikey needs to be single cause the whole renet thing was only put there because the voice actress of renet had been love interests of mikey's voice actor's characters for years and they thought it would be cute. don't throw a love interest in there because everyone else has one it's dumb. mikey made more sense with leatherhead or heck even chris bradford since he's still not over him. if you're going to have mikey with a love interest at least let it develop properly than just poof one it's insulting to female viewers caust that's all you see us as...girls with breasts the turtles can just stare at without recognizing our talents. it's like they're not focusing on the MAIN plot GET SHREDDER instead they're too busy hooking the turtles up on blind dates. the minute shinigami debuted no one cared about her talent. all i saw on comments were omg she's a love interest for mikey omg omg he'll love her. HELLO? does anyone not care who she is where the heck she came from? is she dangerous? i stopped watching the show every now and then cause the show had too much fillers idk enough rant...bottom line fix season 4 or im not bothering to watch season 5.

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    • KunokitaxD4:

      I regret our misunderstanding from before.

      That said, I agree with your latest recent comment, on almost every point. However, I don't think it's bad for characters to have multiple crushes. What's bad is turning them into fast and easy love interests. And I have always appreciated good TMNT drama; it just doesn't need to be excessively soapy, as if all the male and female regular characters are playing musical chairs with each other as love interests.

      But I also think that, though Mikey's crush on Chris Bradford may have been real, they had no chemistry because Bradford never had any fondness for Mikey whatsoever. There's also the matter that Bradford was probably more than twice Mikey's age when they first met, which is not necessarily true for Mikey and Leatherhead even though LH is elderly now. I like to think LH was also a teenager when they met, especially considering LH had no kind of social life whatsoever before meeting the turtles. Or maybe LH's age was just irrelevant, because Mikey already had a surprisingly deep old-soul wisdom that made Mikey the more enlightened of the two.

      But yes, Shinigami being announced beforehand as a main character's crush is...really quite tacky. When it's announced in advance, it spoils things for the audience, and complicates whatever chemistry characters would have been able to develop more naturally because there's such heavy expectation for them to show fireworks as soon as possible. When female characters are treated like objects to be paired up to please anticipating fanboys, the result honestly more resembles porn than drama.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4:

      I regret our misunderstanding from before.

      That said, I agree with your latest recent comment, on almost every point. However, I don't think it's bad for characters to have multiple crushes. What's bad is turning them into fast and easy love interests. And I have always appreciated good TMNT drama; it just doesn't need to be excessively soapy, as if all the male and female regular characters are playing musical chairs with each other as love interests.

      But I also think that, though Mikey's crush on Chris Bradford may have been real, they had no chemistry because Bradford never had any fondness for Mikey whatsoever. There's also the matter that Bradford was probably more than twice Mikey's age when they first met, which is not necessarily true for Mikey and Leatherhead even though LH is elderly now. I like to think LH was also a teenager when they met, especially considering LH had no kind of social life whatsoever before meeting the turtles. Or maybe LH's age was just irrelevant, because Mikey already had a surprisingly deep old-soul wisdom that made Mikey the more enlightened of the two.

      But yes, Shinigami being announced beforehand as a main character's crush is...really quite tacky. When it's announced in advance, it spoils things for the audience, and complicates whatever chemistry characters would have been able to develop more naturally because there's such heavy expectation for them to show fireworks as soon as possible. When female characters are treated like objects to be paired up to please anticipating fanboys, the result honestly more resembles porn than drama.

      it's ok i apologize for snapping at you. it's not your fault I like your opinions since it's interesting to read because i notice things that I never noticed before. But no worries bro we're cool :) But yeah you're absolutley right! They treat these females like all we do is look good for the turtles. it's to the point where I myself as a female viewer is insulted. I feel like if I was put in tmnt's world as a weapon specialist or a scientist, or a ninja, something worthy, i know for a fact one of the turtles are going to have a crush it's so annoying. Why can't females be looked as friends, or a respectable opponent. Like a vegeta X Goku thing.  I don't like the fact that shinigami sounds soo cool and dangerous and has lots of power yet no one is taking that into consideration. yeah bradford and mikey may have been ehh maybe mikey just looked up to bradford but idk Mikey really has that care for leatherhead you know the bond was there. It's cool for them to have love interests but it's to the point where they are making it excessive and rushed like we dont even know the girl yet. i feel like they enjoy writing it so much they miss out the main points of the show's goal...sigh i miss season 1 and 2

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    • Werehog21 wrote:
      Would you people stop with the 'love-character' stuff? Shinigami deserves to be a villain, she shouldn't have to be another Karai/Miwa! If it's going to get that weird, if fans keep annoyingly begging for a character to hook up with the new girl, how about the creators shut you all up with Shinigami and Karai being a couple? That's right, I think Karai's a LEZBO! That coupling both burns the fans and shuts them up at the same time, so I'm all for it if it ends the nonsense!

      I honestly think this is just bad writing. enough with the love interests, the writers write a plot, forget about it and go back to shippping what they do best. we have shredder, kraang, and retro mutagen to think about none of which the turtles can successfully do. instead of hooking them up, the writers should make the turtles concentrate on getting in that dojo and training their shells off. something they didnt do in season 4 in space. instead they're watching chris bradford eating pizza. if one i repeat ONE triceriton can beat the entire team they're weak. they literally haven't improved and it's bugging me.

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    • Those guys at SDCC got to see the episode a month early! Now I'm jealous...

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    • KunokitaxD4: Ugh, I agree. Dinosaur Seen in Sewers was one of the worst episodes for character development. By the time Zog was giving his lecture about how incompetent the turtles were, I found myself sympathizing more with Zog than with Raphael, and Raphael had never seemed less sympathetic before then. The turtles haven't really been growing and maturing and strengthening (in body or mind) as characters for a long time now. And this all seems entirely intentional by Nickelodeon, which does little more than to advertise them as fun-loving party animals with weapons who don't really do anything else. It's Fred Wolf syndrome all over again.

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    • April faces a deadly, new enemy when she graduates to full Kunoichi; the Turtles must deal with the return of some old foes. New City at War description!!! From Zap2it

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    • Bennieee wrote:
      April faces a deadly, new enemy when she graduates to full Kunoichi; the Turtles must deal with the return of some old foes.

      New City at War description!!! From Zap2it

      YAYYY!!!! Wait! Who's the new enemy that's gonna fight April?

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    • Shinigami

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    • I knew it.

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    • Wait, if Shinigami is the new enemy, and she's Karai's friend, and Karai is supposed to be an ally now, does this mean Shinigami may change sides too?

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Wait, if Shinigami is the new enemy, and she's Karai's friend, and Karai is supposed to be an ally now, does this mean Shinigami may change sides too?

      Well Shinigami is the witch of the Foot Clan. So she's gonna be April's new archenemy.

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    • Julian14bernardino wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Wait, if Shinigami is the new enemy, and she's Karai's friend, and Karai is supposed to be an ally now, does this mean Shinigami may change sides too?
      Well Shinigami is the witch of the Foot Clan. So she's gonna be April's new archenemy.

      Ah ok, but Karai won't be an enemy anymore I'm guessing? I mean they did move her (Now that I think of it, the girl with her looks a lot like Shinigami) to the water tower part of the intro. They had to have done that for a reason.

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    • S04E16 Broken Foot

      When Leonardo secretly allies with Karai, he finds himself in deeper danger than he ever could have imagined. Found on Zap2it aswell

      S04E17 The Insecta Trifecta

      New descriptions and tmnt ep titles! It looks like City atbWar is going for more than 1 ep as seen in the description, leo is going to get caught up in all that stuff just like in the 2003 city at war. this is awesome!!! i cant wait!!!

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    • I thought Karai was already supposed to be an ally.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4: Ugh, I agree. Dinosaur Seen in Sewers was one of the worst episodes for character development. By the time Zog was giving his lecture about how incompetent the turtles were, I found myself sympathizing more with Zog than with Raphael, and Raphael had never seemed less sympathetic before then. The turtles haven't really been growing and maturing and strengthening (in body or mind) as characters for a long time now. And this all seems entirely intentional by Nickelodeon, which does little more than to advertise them as fun-loving party animals with weapons who don't really do anything else. It's Fred Wolf syndrome all over again.

      and what doesn't make sense to me is how in the heck is April becoming a full blown kunoichi by a short time span but the turtles whom trained since birth aren't improving in the slightest? In space April has done more psychic training than ninja training. I've never seen her lift up that tessen once in space. so when she comes back she just picks up where she left up and boom shes a full proof ninja?

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    • So the show has to go on for 15 years for her to be a full ninja ? Plus Splinter said that she concentrates better and is a fast learner.

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    • Raph was right. April should have had a long way to go(, sister).

      You got a long way to go sister

      Of course, that's also when Raph was actually a three-dimensional character. :)

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    • Wow, it's been a while since I last came here, hey everyone. :)

      I don't get it, after all the things going on and minimal time on April's training (I know season 1 focused on it, but was Kraang Conspiracy the last time it was done?), how is she fully trained? Better yet, I also don't understand the City at War "arc" happening at this point, seems like a very big shift in tone from sci-fi. My interest in the series has waded, but I'm curious on the episode in general.

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    • GoldMutant wrote: Wow, it's been a while since I last came here, hey everyone. :)

      I don't get it, after all the things going on and minimal time on April's training (I know season 1 focused on it, but was Kraang Conspiracy the last time it was done?), how is she fully trained? Better yet, I also don't understand the City at War "arc" happening at this point, seems like a very big shift in tone from sci-fi. My interest in the series has waded, but I'm curious on the episode in general.

      This trope explains it pretty well.

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    • Hey here's a Raph ep coming up Insecta Trifecta "The team faces Stockman-Fly's new insect minions, and Raph has to man up to overcome his fear of insects and lead the team." Have no source but may be true, and this could explain Raph, Mikey and Donnie at the chemical place, and Raph and spinter talking in the promo. Also this means the turtles will split up as they need Leo ti be gine and this is proved when we see Leo in the web with April and Karai.

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    • Bennieee wrote:
      Hey here's a Raph ep coming up

      Insecta Trifecta "The team faces Stockman-Fly's new insect minions, and Raph has to man up to overcome his fear of insects and lead the team." Have no source but may be true, and this could explain Raph, Mikey and Donnie at the chemical place, and Raph and spinter talking in the promo. Also this means the turtles will split up as they need Leo ti be gine and this is proved when we see Leo in the web with April and Karai.

      Sounds like a ripoff of Cockroach Terminater which stinks for me because I hated the original because of how disgusting it was.

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    • Oh good grief they're already using recycled scripts?! Damn, Nick, that's just lazy. Give us a decent plot-driven character-driven action-drama with better writing and fewer cheap gimmicks!

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    • Well I just saw a promo and the giant Mutant Cockroach was in it there was also Raph having a new costume and wingnut looking creature it wasn't kirby.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Well I just saw a promo and the giant Mutant Cockroach was in it there was also Raph having a new costume and wingnut looking creature it wasn't kirby.

      Where did you see it? Could you post a link for others to see it?

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    • Amidgs wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Well I just saw a promo and the giant Mutant Cockroach was in it there was also Raph having a new costume and wingnut looking creature it wasn't kirby.
      Where did you see it? Could you post a link for others to see it?

      Sorry I can't I just had the channel on nick but was looking at my computer then the promo came on and I watched it and I checked on nick.com and it wasn't on there.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Amidgs wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Well I just saw a promo and the giant Mutant Cockroach was in it there was also Raph having a new costume and wingnut looking creature it wasn't kirby.
      Where did you see it? Could you post a link for others to see it?
      Sorry I can't I just had the channel on nick but was looking at my computer then the promo came on and I watched it and I checked on nick.com and it wasn't on there.

      Ok. Did you maybe take some pictures from the promo?

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    • Amidgs wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Amidgs wrote:
      Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Well I just saw a promo and the giant Mutant Cockroach was in it there was also Raph having a new costume and wingnut looking creature it wasn't kirby.
      Where did you see it? Could you post a link for others to see it?
      Sorry I can't I just had the channel on nick but was looking at my computer then the promo came on and I watched it and I checked on nick.com and it wasn't on there.
      Ok. Did you maybe take some pictures from the promo?

      Also nope I didn't have my phone with me I think there was also a worm like mutant maybe the one from wormquake I'll say if it comes back on.

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    • Well it just happened again

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      Well it just happened again

      Did you take some screencaps or record this time?

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    • You know, even for all of Fast Forward's diminished quality, they still actually tried to write a coherent story that felt like some actual thought was put into it. What Nickelodeon's doing now is putting the series into full Fred Wolf minimal effort autopilot, where episode after episode make it seem like they still want people's money but don't actually care enough about the show itself as a literary work of art.

      That's the thing: In a good TMNT series, even a bad episode or a bad season still feel like someone tried something with substance. ...Okay, so maybe Sweat, Sweat, Sweet Renet was raw unabashed fur bikini fanservice. But still, the badness within any TMNT work should not feel as if it's intentional unless they're deliberately going for full-out camp appeal, and even then the camp appeal better be pretty damn good.

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    • So friggin sweet! I think I saw Wingnut!

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    • i saw a new commercial for the city at war and um yeah sorry guys I'm not sticking around to watch the rest of season 4. I'll proboably read it on the wiki but that's it. Nope I already KNOW im going to hate it. April does not deserve that ninja  title at all. it's disrespectful and of course they give her sinigami as a villan two powerful chicks and where's karai? oh yeah you brain washed her and she sits there on the side lines. she's no where near powerful as april. April has the tessen, swords AND psychic abilities all in a year time span. but the turtles and karai trained for 16 years and not even showing any improvement but april gets to be a FULL blown ninja just like that? and they're cool with that?? BUT Donatello had the nerve to tell the pulverizer i quote "You can't just put a sword under a pillow and wake up a samuri." Also "Don't worry April, a decade will fly just like that" meaning it takes like 10 or more years to become a ninja. But April barely did any ninja training in space but she comes back after 6 months and after a year she's a ninja now??? the entire commercial was celebrating april being a ninja like cmon man. this is like season 3....all for april and none for casey and none karai. to me they threw karai under the bus. she comes back but weaker than april cause she hadn't trained since then.


      Bottom line, I came to this show to follow the teenage mutant ninja turtles get stronger, wiser, funnier, and just grow until they defeat shreder. nothing is wrong with april wanting to fight that's one thing but for her to keep saying oh i wanna be a ninja and act like she got as much hard core training as the turtles and karai did is insulting. 15 years of training with these turtles and still they're not as strong yet. you would think they got better but april just surpasses them cause of her powers alone!  the fact you give her abilities for no reason at all why be a ninja?! You have psychic powers that's enough.plus the fact that she brags about being a dang full blown 100 percent ninja too without working years for it pisses me off. I didn't come here to watch April shine in her Glory and take over this show, I came to see tmnt.  so count me out tell me how it goes. I will not be tuning in for the rest of season 4 nope......i apologize for the rant but this is pretty obvious guys of what the creators are doing. they're not even boosting up karai that's not fair. she stays the same but april keeps getting stronger? she can jump on roofs now and know how to use ninja weapons and fight like the turtles in a course of a couple years? cmon man

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    • KunokitaxD4: Yeah, I agree. It's like they're making April into some kind of God Mode Sue. I mean, I can sort of understand if her Utrom nature helps her learn some things supernaturally faster, but then the pacing of this plot development still seems lopsided.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4: Yeah, I agree. It's like they're making April into some kind of God Mode Sue. I mean, I can sort of understand if her Utrom nature helps her learn some things supernaturally faster, but then the pacing of this plot development still seems lopsided.

      to me it's getting out of hand. the creators are not even focused on the turtles as much. half of season 3 was all about april progressing to be a ninja and figuring out she has dragon ball z like powers (my friends and i nicknamed it the Gohan lol). One thing for her to just use her psychic powers fine i guess i can get over that, but the fact that you give her ninja abilites in the course of a year or 2 on a silver platter just insults the hard painful work karai and the turtles had to go endure to get that title in the first place. 6 months in space no ninja training, you come back and pick up where you left off in a couple months you're a ninja now? But it's cool if april does it but not ok when the pulvizer wanted to become one you know why the turtles are biased jerks. I would have a little shred of respect for april if she had said i'll accept training to be a ninja but i wont freakin self proclaim myself as a fully proof ninja. no wonder karai kicked her behind so much. no respect and now she "graduates" from ninja academy like wth is going on here? i feel like i'm watching the April show. The creators did karai wrong man and i hate seeing april in more screen shots in the trailer than karai whom fans died to get back for and she isn't nearlly as strong. if april o niel's enemy is shinigami a witch, they down graded karai a little and karai was always the girl to show people she's a kunoichi not to mess with now april waltzes in and becomes a ninja and all of sudden can do what the turtles do but it took them 15 years to master half of what april thinks she can do.90% of her power is from the psychic abilites alone so why flaunt about being a ninja then why? to spite karai? to be like your turtle buddies? karai should've stayed an anti hero like she always did cause once you're on team ninja turtle it's like you pretty much down graded yourself. this isn't about april. half of that trailer should've been the turtles showing off their new power moves. for crying out loud she punched raphael in the face in season 3 when she was training in the farmhouse and what did she say....."I'm almost a full blown kunoichi" you punched RAPHAEL? the so called toughest turtle on the team....fast forward....in the dojo when they go back to NY, leo says "ok april don't think i'll go easy on you" april says "bring it on" and what happens she doges and goes on par with leo? LEONARDO? the same guy who was on par with shredder?? whaaa and she gets recognition for it?


      sorry, but like I said I sat and watched that nonsense with april in season 3 and I will not sit in front of the tv and watch the turtles get down graded by april or anyone else AGAIN. it's time for the turtles to grow a shell man up and fight good for once cause they got so bad lately especially with those triceritons. you guys got beat up by ONE i repeat ONE triceriton? twice?! but april can kick butt no problem with one psychic blast?  no

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    • GoldMutant wrote:
      Wow, it's been a while since I last came here, hey everyone. :)

      I don't get it, after all the things going on and minimal time on April's training (I know season 1 focused on it, but was Kraang Conspiracy the last time it was done?), how is she fully trained? Better yet, I also don't understand the City at War "arc" happening at this point, seems like a very big shift in tone from sci-fi. My interest in the series has waded, but I'm curious on the episode in general.

      exactly it makes no sense... but one reason i can think of she's obviously the writer's favorite

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    • Yeah, April's story is unbalanced. There were other versions of April that became ninja (April O'Neil (Mirage), April O'Neil (Archie)), but they were never this invincible.

      GoldMutant: You're probably better off finding and reading Mirage TMNT's City at War arc. Good TMNT isn't just sci-fi—it's also compelling character drama, when done right at least. I don't have any hopes for 2K12's City at War to be good, but the original version is considered one of the finest TMNT story arcs ever done. ...which would make it a huge insult if 2K12 so monumentally failed to live up to its legacy.

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    • I wonder if they will make a new theme song as the space arc is over or just use the old one and I kinda feel like at the end of the ep they will realize that April isn't ready yet.

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    • Roller Cowards Rocks wrote:
      I wonder if they will make a new theme song as the space arc is over or just use the old one and I kinda feel like at the end of the ep they will realize that April isn't ready yet.

      they will change the theme song since the previous one was space arc and the one before that were the vision quest otufits they wore and put karai as a villan so they have to. and i think april isn't ready in my opinion

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Yeah, April's story is unbalanced. There were other versions of April that became ninja (April O'Neil (Mirage), April O'Neil (Archie)), but they were never this invincible.

      GoldMutant: You're probably better off finding and reading Mirage TMNT's City at War arc. Good TMNT isn't just sci-fi—it's also compelling character drama, when done right at least. I don't have any hopes for 2K12's City at War to be good, but the original version is considered one of the finest TMNT story arcs ever done. ...which would make it a huge insult if 2K12 so monumentally failed to live up to its legacy.

      i read the original version of city at war omg it was amazing. city at war is like the most complex brilliant arc of the tmnt franchise. no way tmnt2012 can top it no way and it's only 30 min

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    • here guys, another pic of shinigami.....i took it from my phone so the quality is a little wack but you know you can still see her


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    • KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      here guys, another pic of shinigami.....i took it from my phone so the quality is a little wack but you know you can still see her


      Judging by the look of those ninjas behind her, I think she may have formed her own version of the Foot Clan, one without robots.

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    • Vgiannell5 wrote:
      KunokitaxD4 wrote:
      here guys, another pic of shinigami.....i took it from my phone so the quality is a little wack but you know you can still see her
      Judging by the look of those ninjas behind her, I think she may have formed her own version of the Foot Clan, one without robots.

      Now that sounds interesting for an episode.  We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

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    • The ninjas look exactly like the Hamato clan ninjas from Tale of the Yokai

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    • I wonder who that girl is in the background....

      Shinigami
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    • KunokitaxD4

      The girl that is in the background is karai/miwa
      
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    • Not gonna lie but I think shes very pretty...DAMN IT ME!

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    • Dw i do too xD

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    • Shinigami she is cute but karai she looks more cute than shinigami

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    • Bennieee wrote:
      The ninjas look exactly like the Hamato clan ninjas from Tale of the Yokai

      Well, a theory is maybe she convinced some of Shredder's other foot ninjas to rejoin the Hamato clan, after all, in "Tale of the Yokai" it was revealed that Shredder talked those other Hamato ninjas into joining him. Maybe she did the same.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Bennieee wrote:
      The ninjas look exactly like the Hamato clan ninjas from Tale of the Yokai
      Well, a theory is maybe she convinced some of Shredder's other foot ninjas to rejoin the Hamato clan, after all, in "Tale of the Yokai" it was revealed that Shredder talked those other Hamato ninjas into joining him. Maybe she did the same.

      Or she used her magic to hypnotize them into joining her.

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    • Vgiannell5 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Bennieee wrote:
      The ninjas look exactly like the Hamato clan ninjas from Tale of the Yokai
      Well, a theory is maybe she convinced some of Shredder's other foot ninjas to rejoin the Hamato clan, after all, in "Tale of the Yokai" it was revealed that Shredder talked those other Hamato ninjas into joining him. Maybe she did the same.
      Or she used her magic to hypnotize them into joining her.

      Could be, (Note: for anyone who sees this, Vgiannell5 means Shinigami, not Karai.)

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    • https://amp.twimg.com/v/f8478ff9-1d9e-4c31-8fb7-15cf158fed57 New scene from the new ep, looks like this is how Shinigami will be introduced, I can't wait

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    • Why does everyone hate 2012 April? 

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    • I don't hate her. I think she's a good character, if written well. If written well. :)

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    • OK-Nice first episode back. Glad April finally got her stripes as a Kunoichi in addition to demonstrating more skills with her powers and training with Splinter. For once she actually feels like she is a full member of the team. I just wish her ninja outfit was different than the last CGI version of April...

      Glad that Karai is finally of her own mind and taking some initiative for once. I'm also happy that she's tarnishing everything Shredder stood for in his absence. Though I'm still partial to her insistence on working only with Shinigami, only to call the Turtles for help when she comes across a problem she and Shini can't handle.

      Shinigami's sassy attitude and arrogant ego was surprisingly charming... to me at least. Although she does remind me a little too much of Bayonetta, all she's missing are 4 pistols and about 2 and a half feet of height. Still though, glad that they keep introducing kickass females characters at every corner. The only thing I HATE about this is that every flippin' new female introduced has to be a love interest or eye candy for someone, in this case Michelangelo, who already has another girl to fill that position. Ok, since Mikey is the youngest of the group, I can kinda see that they're trying to show how Mikey is probably at that age where his hormones are starting to explode, but considering how few major female characters that are introduced, it is actually an unwise idea and comes off as very, VERY ridiculous and almost sexist. That said, Shinigami seems like she's got promise as a freakin' awesome ally to the Turtles. I think she's an ally at least...

      And finally! *drumrolls* SUPER SHREDDER HAS ENTERED THE BUILDING! I always knew they were going to mutate Shredder at some point, I just didn't know when. But the time has finally come.

      I only have two gripes about this scene.

      1: Shredder's "new" place appears to be a ripoff of Batman's Glasshouse in Batman v Superman, in both appearance and purpose.

      And 2: They are severely exaggerating the extent of Shredder's injuries. Splinter literally just used pressure point techniques on him and then knocked his helmet off. Shredder survived being chomped on multiple times by Leatherhead and then thrown through metal beams with apparently no injury at all, yet just because it was Splinter that beat him, his whole face needs to be bandaged up for no apparent reason aside from the fact that he's ugly as $*;t.

      Finally, as for being titled "City at War", it seemed like it would have made a good start to a City at war arc, but didn't quite deliver at all in a story arc that big, if that's what they were trying to do that is...

      8/10 for me. Mainly because the colossal level of girl power in this episode that the show in general commonly lacks.

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    • I was curious enough to read the synopsis. Doesn't sound completely terrible in concept (April suddenly becoming a full kunoichi after such a lapse in training is still a bit of a stretch), and more like it's kicking off a City at War-type arc rather than trying to cram it all into one episode (as I feared they would try to do). And if Shinigami doesn't immediately return or even acknowledge Mikey's infatuations, they can wisely avoid the kind of shallow fast romantic plot tumors that plagued the Renet and Y'gythgba characters.

      However, still having not seen the episode (season 4 has made it really, really hard for me to watch a new episode again), I can't assess how the episode goes in the way of well-written character development, drama, affinity, etc. I heard someone say it reminds them more of seasons 1 and 2, but does that extend to the depth of drama and the cleverness of dialogue? If the dialogue is still wooden and one-dimensional, I wouldn't consider watching it for that reason alone.

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    • NOW- Looking forward, there is a few things we can predict based on the new intro (which I'm a bit disappointed that for the most part they returned to the original). I'll start with my favorite.

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      MONA LISA AND SAL COMMANDER ARE COMING BACK BABY! And apparently so is Newtralizer...hopefully... I'm thinking of a possible plot involving Mona and Sal searching for Newtralizer, seeing as he is a criminal from their home world (and possibly a war criminal). They learn that he is on earth and asks for the turtles' help finding him. When they do, Newtralizer probably goes supersaiyan with his new powers (whatever they are) and tries to destroy the city. The good Salamandrians save them. Hopefully they can stay and have a relevant purpose. And we saw several of the turtles Earth allies as well so it would be cool to see Earth allies and space allies teaming up. Maybe give Mondo some more depth too.

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      Next up, it looks like Shredder is going to start mass-producing Chrome domes for an army, and some of them will have hats like Shinigami apparently. Last time I checked, the whole team together could barely defeat one. So help will definitely be needed for an army of them.

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      And apparently the Hamato Clan are now... the bad guys? I am so confused.

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    • And just like that my interest is lost.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      NOW- Looking forward, there is a few things we can predict based on the new intro (which I'm a bit disappointed that for the most part they returned to the original). I'll start with my favorite.
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      MONA LISA AND SAL COMMANDER ARE COMING BACK BABY! And apparently so is Newtralizer...hopefully... I'm thinking of a possible plot involving Mona and Sal searching for Newtralizer, seeing as he is a criminal from their home world (and possibly a war criminal). They learn that he is on earth and asks for the turtles' help finding him. When they do, Newtralizer probably goes supersaiyan with his new powers (whatever they are) and tries to destroy the city. The good Salamandrians save them. Hopefully they can stay and have a relevant purpose. And we saw several of the turtles Earth allies as well so it would be cool to see Earth allies and space allies teaming up. Maybe give Mondo some more depth too.

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      Next up, it looks like Shredder is going to start mass-producing Chrome domes for an army, and some of them will have hats like Shinigami apparently. Last time I checked, the whole team together could barely defeat one. So help will definitely be needed for an army of them.

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      And apparently the Hamato Clan are now... the bad guys? I am so confused.

      Newtralizer appeared in the season 3 Theme song despite not appearing in any of the episodes so they may not put thoses characters in.

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    • Aculy the episode statet she is at level 3 of 10! She is an kunuich! NOT an Kunuichi! BUT she is now nearly as good as the turtels good enough to take her with them BUT teh cant let he go out alone! She isnt THAT GOOD

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    • 123w4 wrote:
       She is an kunuich! NOT an Kunuichi!
      Wat bones

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    • 123w4 wrote:
      Aculy the episode statet she is at level 3 of 10! She is an kunuich! NOT an Kunuichi! BUT she is now nearly as good as the turtels good enough to take her with them BUT teh cant let he go out alone! She isnt THAT GOOD

      i cant beleive you said she's now nearly as good as the turtles? what the heck is wrong with you? the turtles can easiyl kill her if they wanted to. the ONLY reason she THINKS shes a kunoichi is because she has her psychic powers and her aeons thing . she's not on the same level as the turtles or karai and never will

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    • Avatar Beta wrote:
      Why does everyone hate 2012 April? 

      cause she's a cocky little brat

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    • KunokitaxD4: Try not to say things like "what the heck is wrong with you?". :)

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    • i didnt look at the eipsode and you know what i wont look at it. nope

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    • KunokitaxD4 wrote: i didnt look at the eipsode and you know what i wont look at it. nope

      That's fine. There's plenty of other TMNT out there. :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:

      KunokitaxD4 wrote: i didnt look at the eipsode and you know what i wont look at it. nope

      That's fine. There's plenty of other TMNT out there. :)

      yeah ones that are 10 times better. i can finally understand why people say tmnt 2003 was better. im done with tmnt all together. im sticking to what's actually good like good ol anime. one peice dragon ball z etc. not this sci fi bow down  to all mighty goddess april nonsense. i dont get why people defend that red hair brat. and casey doesnt do anything. the turtles are weak cmon man. this show is not for me. its meant for kids who have no clue what a good plot is and character deveopment. peace out

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    • You mean you're done with the 2012 TV series altogether, right? Try other series too, like Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden.

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    • SHELL of a good episode, Shinigami is cool, the ep confirms that Mikey falls in love with every new person that his brothers don't fancy, and SUPER SHREDDER IS COMING! ALSO-that house of his looks NICE-but also a bit too Los Angeles.

      Gilgameshkun wrote: And just like that my interest is lost.

      Surprise, surprise, Gil has a negative opinion about 2K12.

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    • Hey, at least I'm not saying "IT SUCKS! IT'S THE MOST HORRIBLE THING EVER! YOU'RE ALL CRAZY!" Nah, I'm way past that stage. The most I have now is very passing curiosity. Emphasis on passing.

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    • True, marked improvement there.

      ON THE TOPIC OF SUPER SHREDDER-him being on diallysis and what-not brings up an interesting topic, he is HUMAN. All the time he has been savagely beaten either by Splinter, the Turtles, or Karai, those injuries piled up until he ended up NEEDING mutagen to supe him self up. Its a weirdly realistic edge to the character. Plus UGH that imagery of him on his sick bed was just GLORIOUS!

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Raph was right. April should have had a long way to go(, sister).

      You got a long way to go sister

      Of course, that's also when Raph was actually a three-dimensional character. :)



      Raph still thinks this, when he tells April she still has a long way to go, and when he tells Donnie to let her fight her own battles. This episode felt like an episode from Season 1 I'm serious. The verbal side was not rushed at all. Give it a try Gil, it wasn't all squashed into an ep, it was a starter of the City at War. Because Karai now wears the Shredder's helmet, and is trying to rebuild the foot clan, but this time with more honour. 


      Can't wait for next week.


      And I loved this episode so much!!! 10/10 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      True, marked improvement there.

      ON THE TOPIC OF SUPER SHREDDER-him being on diallysis and what-not brings up an interesting topic, he is HUMAN. All the time he has been savagely beaten either by Splinter, the Turtles, or Karai, those injuries piled up until he ended up NEEDING mutagen to supe him self up. Its a weirdly realistic edge to the character. Plus UGH that imagery of him on his sick bed was just GLORIOUS!

      I highly disagree about that being realistic. Aside from the fire damage he suffered over a decade ago, Shredder has never demonstrated a major injury as far as I remember. Yes he was beaten in battle a couple of times before this, but no injury he got ever lasted past one episode. You would think Stockman or Tiger Claw or sombody would be seen tending to his injuries if he was ever significantly hurt, but this show was like "Nope, Shredder is evil ninja Superman. And Splinter is his Kryptonite." I was kind of ok with that as long as they consistently made sense of it, but this episode breaks the logical aspect.

      They are severely exaggerating the extent of Shredder's injuries. Splinter literally just used pressure point techniques on him before actually landing a hit that badly hurt him. Shredder survived being chomped on multiple times by Leatherhead and then thrown through metal beams with apparently no injury at all, yet just because it was Splinter that beat him, his whole face needs to be bandaged up for no apparent reason aside from the possibility that they are finally deciding to censor his ugly, gruesome-looking face.

      This is the first time (that I'm aware of) that Shredder was knocked down so bad that he couldn't get up. THAT made sense, because that is the point of striking pressure points: to prevent or limit movement. What DOESN'T make sense is Shredder's injuries. He wasn't even knocked out! He clearly wasn't bleeding anywhere, his eyes were open and he was breathing normally, well, grunting normally. He just looked like a guy on the ground that couldn't move, which again makes sense. But Splinter hits him in the face once... while his helmet is on, yet his whole face is bandaged up for some reason, except for the one part Splinter possible did hit: his eyes. Pff...logic...

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    • See, that's where the injury build-up theory comes in, as much as he LOOKS like Ninja Superman at times, he ain't. He's just really really REALLY strong, but a strong man is still a man, with all the weaknesses that come with it. The psychological trauma of snakefying his daughter bringing MASSIVE physical stress logically, combined with all the injuries and scars he's built up over the years must've finally caught up with him. He's getting old, and the only cure-IS MUTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATION NATION! As for the wraps...I don't know maybe they had healing juice on them? I've heard of that.

      ONE thing that kinda half-bugs me, is how Karai and Shinigami won't just freakin' join the Hamato clan. YOU ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE! He has mutants, ninjas, robots, NINJA ROBOTS-ALL in copious ammounts. BUT on the other hand she's still friends with the turtles, and they apologized for being jerks to April. Seriously, steal Fishface's crazy butterfly knife or something, don't steal from friends wit yo CRAZY ninpou.

      FINAL NOTE-that line from Fishface "I am the most interesting fish in the world" slayed me, MAN I love me some Mr.X.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      See, that's where the injury build-up theory comes in, as much as he LOOKS like Ninja Superman at times, he ain't. He's just really really REALLY strong, but a strong man is still a man, with all the weaknesses that come with it. The psychological trauma of snakefying his daughter bringing MASSIVE physical stress logically, combined with all the injuries and scars he's built up over the years must've finally caught up with him. He's getting old, and the only cure-IS MUTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATION NATION!

      Ok I'll by the getting old thing. But injury build-up? No. He has clearly not even had enough injuries to qualify as having an injury build-up. If he did, I'm sure that we would have seen SOMEBODY in his group of associates tending to those injuries at least once.

      Also, I'm glad that Saki finally stopped obsessing over Karai and is prepared to go into all out war with her.

      Yoshimickster wrote:
      As for the wraps...I don't know maybe they had healing juice on them? I've heard of that.

      But used to heal what exactly. The only place Splinter could have hit him through his helmet is the eyes, and they weren't bandaged. I'm curious what series of facial injuries could have built up with his helmet on virtually all the time.

      Yoshimickster wrote:
      ONE thing that kinda half-bugs me, is how Karai and Shinigami won't just freakin' join the Hamato clan. YOU ARE ONLY TWO PEOPLE! He has mutants, ninjas, robots, NINJA ROBOTS-ALL in copious ammounts. BUT on the other hand she's still friends with the turtles, and they apologized for being jerks to April. Seriously, steal Fishface's crazy butterfly knife or something, don't steal from friends wit yo CRAZY ninpou.

      THAT I agree with. They refuse to join, yet are aparrently going to call them everytime they encounter an issue they can't handle. That actually seems quite petty.

      Yoshimickster wrote:
      FINAL NOTE-that line from Fishface "I am the most interesting fish in the world" slayed me, MAN I love me some Mr.X.

      That line creeped me out. It looked to me like he was flirting with April when he said that. It was pretty obvious by the jealous way Donnie reacted. April is like 16! And Xever is...Xever. Ugh! XP

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      Ok I'll by the getting old thing. But injury build-up? No. He has clearly not even had enough injuries to qualify as having an injury build-up. If he did, I'm sure that we would have seen SOMEBODY in his group of associates tending to those injuries at least once.

      Shredder ain't the kind of guy to SHOW weakness, even if he's in massive pain. He's probably been secretly holding it for years and he just now can't take it anymore-PLUS-age. Either that, or the pain-meds stopped having any effect on him. Seriously I just expect him to just DOWN pain meds.

      But used to heal what exactly. The only place Splinter could have hit him through his helmet is the eyes, and they weren't bandaged. I'm curious what series of facial injuries could have built up when his helmet it on pretty much all the time.

      Massive, sweat rash. Its summer, you wear a metal helmet on, your face is gonna feel uncomfortable! They were probably soaked in Aloe Vera.

      THAT I agree with. They refuse to join, yet are aparrently going to call them everytime they encounter an issue they can't handle. That actually seems quite petty.

      Seriously, just join them and make the stinking Justice Force all ready! "I need to find my own path"...YOUR FIFTEEN-and have NO minions, think realistically girl! Cool snake powers or not, your still ONE person against an army!

      That line creeped me out. It looked to me like he was flirting with April when he said that. It was pretty obvious by the jealous way Donnie reacted. April is like 16! And Xever is...Xever. Ugh! XP

      Heh, yeah he is a creeper.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:.

      Shredder ain't the kind of guy to SHOW weakness, even if he's in massive pain. He's probably been secretly holding it for years and he just now can't take it anymore-PLUS-age. Either that, or the pain-meds stopped having any effect on him. Seriously I just expect him to just DOWN pain meds.

      Tell that to last time when Tiger Claw cradled him like a baby. lol I know he probably was embarrased by that but I couldn't resist mentioning it.

      Pain meds? Ah that would have been delight to see if Shredder was actually addicted. Could probably send a message for kids to not do drugs or kidnap their archnemesis daughter while simultaneously trying to kill them.

      But seriously, if that was the case and Shredder was in fact downing pain meds, I highly doubt the writers would leave out thse juicy details. The others didn't need to know about it. Just leave it for the viewers.

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      Massive, sweat rash. Its summer, you wear a metal helmet on, your face is gonna feel uncomfortable! They were probably soaked in Aloe Vera.

      Lol Sweat rash?! Really? Dude I really think you are just making theories as we go now.

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      Seriously, just join them and make the stinking Justice Force all ready! "I need to find my own path"...YOUR FIFTEEN-and have NO minions, think realistically girl! Cool snake powers or not, your still ONE person against an army!

      On the topic of armies, it seems like the new intro is strongly implying Shredder is going to mass-produce Chrome Dome and the Hamato Clan are now the bad guys. It also hints that Mona Lisa, Sal Commander and Lord Dregg are going to be back as well. Think they'll have anything to do with fighting Shredder's theoretical army?

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:

      Pain meds? Ah that would have been delight to see if Shredder was actually addicted. Could probably send a message for kids to not do drugs or kidnap their archnemesis daughter while simultaneously trying to kill them.

      But seriously, if that was the case and Shredder was in fact downing pain meds, I highly doubt the writers would leave out these juicy details. The others didn't need to know about it. Just leave it for the viewers.

      I dunno its still a "Kids" show. Quotation marks added since while violent and sugestive, there's still some ways they can't go. URGH-an anti-pain killer story would work so well here! Episode pulled off the air good!

      Lol Sweat rash?! Really? Dude I really think you are just making theories as we go now.

      Pretty much, but I've had enough of them to make me firmly believe that's what's going on.

      On the topic of armies, it seems like the new intro is strongly implying Shredder is going to mass-produce Chrome Dome and the Hamato clan are now the bad guys. It also hints that Mona Lisa, Sal Commander and Lord Dregg are going to be back as well. Think they'll have anything to do with fighting Shredder's theoretical army?

      Definitely, not sure on the Hamato clan being evil, not sure on Sal Commander and Mona Lisa joining the fight, and Shell yes to Dregg being a part of this. Either the Foot Clan, OR the Kraang.

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      Definitely, not sure on the Hamato clan being evil, not sure on Sal Commander and Mona Lisa joining the fight, and Shell yes to Dregg being a part of this. Either the Foot Clan, OR the Kraang.


      I was just throwing out ideas I got from the intro. What would Dregg have to do with this? I actually have no clue. I doubt he would ever trust Shredder to make a deal or partnership, especially since his last one didn't go so well.

      I was thinking that since Karai seems like she's slowly going to take control of the Foot Clan and rebuild it in her own image, with the clan becoming the turtles' ally in the process, they will serve as one of the resistances to Shredder's army. I have no idea where the Hamato Clan would come in but it definitely looks like they'll be some of the bad guys this in the near future. Mainly because in the intro, Mikey is seen kicking two of them in the face just like he did to the Kraangdroids in the original intro.
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    • ...oh snap, those WERE Hamato Clan! Thought they were foot, but NOPE this is getting real.

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    • Yup! I have no idea how this is hapenning, but it's happening.

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    • It seems she's trying to rebuild the Foot Clan as her own way to earn of earning her true father's love and pride.  This is also probably why she won't accept help from her family.  She wants to prove her worth to her true clan because she doesn't feel like she deserves it.

      What I do know is that Miwa has started a war with Shredder that she can't win by herself.  Sooner or later, she'll realize she needs her family.

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    • Possibly, but I feel like she did (or at least should have) realized that when she and Shinigami couldn't even handle Shredder's goons and had to call the turtles help. At that point it was quite obvious that they were going to need help and I'm sure Karai realized that, considering she's the one who called. Yet she refuses to accept more help as if she has a death wish.

      What will she do the next time she an Shinigami are in trouble? If it's calling the turtles, then she clearly does not know what she wants...aside from taking down Shredder and rebuilding the Foot Clan.

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    • I'm serious!  Miwa is walking into a fight she can't win on her own, even with Shinigami helping her. I mean, in this episode, she got overpowered by a few of Shredder's henchmen and she still called the Turtles!  How does she think she'll do against all of Shredder's army, including a reawakened Shredder who's just been injected with mutagen?!  Yet at the end, she still refused the help of her family either because she's stubborn or consumed by revenge.

      She'll go to her family for help soon, becuase the one thing that will definitely make her ask for their help is mutant Shredder!

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    • Well...yeah. You kind of just paraphrased what I said, except for the aking her family for help soon part.

      And yes, I guess we can assume that considering the next episode will be about Leo teaming up with Karai. But still, we don't know if it will be permanent. It will probably be another one of those things where she just calls Leo when she can't handle something by herself. Wether she joins the Turtles/Hamato Clan still isn't set in stone.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      Well...yeah. You kind of just paraphrased what I said, except for the aking her family for help soon part.

      And yes, I guess we can assume that considering the next episode will be about Leo teaming up with Karai. But still, we don't know if it will be permanent. It will probably be another one of those things where she just calls Leo when she can't handle something by herself. Wether she joins the Turtles/Hamato Clan still isn't set in stone.

      Yes, but the fact that she refused her famly's help when Splinter offered it, and she states she can do things her own way, despite the fact she just called them less then an hour before, just makes her a hypocrite.  She's says she's grown up, but she's only 16.  Sure, she's an excellent Kunoichi and she's a mutant, but she's young, has a lot to learn, and isn't ready for the war she just started.

      Actually, now that I think about it, maybe she's doing this to prove she's worthy of her family's love and presence.  Think about it, when she ignored Splinter's wisdom about revenge, she went through 5 months of pain, misery, and regret, while knowing she abandoned her brothers and her true father for nothing more then revenge.  She thinks her father is ashamed of her and she believes the only way to make it right with him is to take Shredder down on her own.  She knows her father is already proud of her, but maybe she's just doing this to cleanse her mind of the doubt that she's not worthy of his love.

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      Yes, but the fact that she refused her famly's help when Splinter offered it, and she states she can do things her own way, despite the fact she just called them less then an hour before, just makes her a hypocrite.  She's says she's grown up, but she's only 16.  Sure, she's an excellent Kunoichi and she's a mutant, but she's young, has a lot to learn, and isn't ready for the war she just started.

      AH-Yes hypocrite. That's the word I've been looking for. Jeez, I don't know how I forgot that one these past few comments. Yeah I agree with you completely there.

      DPfanboy wrote:

      Actually, now that I think about it, maybe she's doing this to prove she's worthy of her family's love and presence.  Think about it, when she ignored Splinter's wisdom about revenge, she went through 5 months of pain, misery, and regret, while knowing she abandoned her brothers and her true father for nothing more then revenge.  She thinks her father is ashamed of her and she believes the only way to make it right with him is to take Shredder down on her own.  She knows her father is already proud of her, but maybe she's just doing this to cleanse her mind of the doubt that she's not worthy of his love.

      Probably. But for now, she just looks like a hypocrite to me.

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    • Definitely so. I give her some slack though seeing as her mind has been the plaything of two types of mutagen induced psychosis for the past year.

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    • Can I just say that I'm relieved to finally have this show back after so many months? I was starting to go through withdrawal lol. 

      A great episode overall, but I question Mikey's sudden interest in Shinigami. True he is a natural with the ladies, but he was a little quick to fall for her when she was threatening them.

      Karai needs to realize that her family is there for her. I know she wants to create her own destiny, but that shouldn't include abandoning her loving family.

      Shredder is just creeping me out 

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    • Jadepalacetrainee wrote:
      Can I just say that I'm relieved to finally have this show back after so many months? I was starting to go through withdrawal lol. 

      A great episode overall, but I question Mikey's sudden interest in Shinigami. True he is a natural with the ladies, but he was a little quick to fall for her when she was threatening them.

      Karai needs to realize that her family is there for her. I know she wants to create her own destiny, but that shouldn't include abandoning her loving family.

      Shredder is just creeping me out 

      Hopefully soon she will realize that.

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    • I can deal with her not being with her family for now, but if they drag it out for too long, I am not gonna be happy.

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    • I think its safe to assume that puberty hit Mikey the HARDEST and now is attracted to every new girl he sees. Sorry Mikeyhead fans!

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    • I know right? I'm a Mikeyhead myself, but what happens when Shinigami and Renet meet???

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    • Fugidude wrote:
      I know right? I'm a Mikeyhead myself, but what happens when Shinigami and Renet meet???

      One will be jealous, one will be aloof, and at the end they will be friends and Mikey will get with no-one.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: I think its safe to assume that puberty hit Mikey the HARDEST and now is attracted to every new girl he sees. Sorry Mikeyhead fans!

      Either that or the writers do pretty much whatever they want whenever they want. Now I pretty much prefer to see each new episode as a slightly parallel universe from the previous episode, since someone else's hands are on the story anyway. It's also a good way to explain away retcons. Isn't an upcoming episode going to have Raphael afraid of all bugs? In the past, he was just scared of cockroaches, and didn't have the same phobia of spiders or giant wasps. And then there was Raph having zero trouble warmly hugging Mikey in The Invasion ("I missed you too, little brother"), then only four episodes later in The Croaking, Raph was portrayed as finding brother hugs weird and wrong and never wanting to do them again. It's not just that the story has developed—certain underlying assumptions of the story actually do change. Things like this happen to pretty much every long-running TV series eventually.

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    • That is possible, I mean its doing...WAY better than most long running cartoons of its caliber, but it is possible. Lookin' at you Fairly Oddparents and Spongebob!

      Plus despite the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG wait between eps, this is still an American cartoon, WITH a deadline, so some inconsistencies will come here and there. Either way, not enough to make me hate the show!

      I mean they could do a LOT worse, like replacing a character's voice actor when said voice actor is still stinking alive and the character was made for said voice actor! SPECIFICALLY FAIRLY ODDPARENTS THIS TIME!

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    • I'd rather not have this argument either, because its pointless, goes no-where, and we always end it with "some people have different definitions of a TMNT story". Move on with your life. I will agree its messed up that Viacom is using it for tax fraud, but I blame Viacom and not the show.

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    • Its great to see Miwa again but of course there always HAS to be a reason why she can't be with them x rolls eyes x. Though it was nice to finally meet a childhood friend, Shini is the bomb! I mean that bat thing she can do :D= (drooling). Though the return of Miwa was quite uneventful. Though it was nice to see her in the first episode back.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote: Its great to see Miwa again but of course there always HAS to be a reason why she can't be with them x rolls eyes x. Though it was nice to finally meet a childhood friend, Shini is the bomb! I mean that bat thing she can do :D= (drooling). Though the return of Miwa was quite uneventful. Though it was nice to see her in the first episode back.

      Spoiler Yeah but considering that the Shredder is now going to be Super Shredder, Karai is going to need the turtles if she wants to win, and will probably almost die then the turtles will have to come and save her. Spoiler

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    • Well, I hope she gets to be with them soon, and yes, she will need them, and I hope she realizes that.

      I tell you, if I ran things there she already would be with them.

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    • I'm just wandering what Super Shredder is gonna be like, regular old brute, or MUTAGEN WIZARD like in the greatest TMNT game ever made?

      I would also like to mention how ridiculous it was reading all the original comments up top, complaining about an episode y'alls haven't even watched yet. THE INTERNET LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

      FINALLY-on the topic of April being a kunoichi, they DID say she was the lowest level kunoichi, and after doing kick-butt space training for half a year COMBINED with training from Splinter, I think lowest level kunoichi in a super ninja clan like the Hamato clan makes sense.

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      NOW- Looking forward, there is a few things we can predict based on the new intro (which I'm a bit disappointed that for the most part they returned to the original). I'll start with my favorite.
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      MONA LISA AND SAL COMMANDER ARE COMING BACK BABY! And apparently so is Newtralizer...hopefully... I'm thinking of a possible plot involving Mona and Sal searching for Newtralizer, seeing as he is a criminal from their home world (and possibly a war criminal). They learn that he is on earth and asks for the turtles' help finding him. When they do, Newtralizer probably goes supersaiyan with his new powers (whatever they are) and tries to destroy the city. The good Salamandrians save them. Hopefully they can stay and have a relevant purpose. And we saw several of the turtles Earth allies as well so it would be cool to see Earth allies and space allies teaming up. Maybe give Mondo some more depth too.

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      Next up, it looks like Shredder is going to start mass-producing Chrome domes for an army, and some of them will have hats like Shinigami apparently. Last time I checked, the whole team together could barely defeat one. So help will definitely be needed for an army of them.

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      And apparently the Hamato Clan are now... the bad guys? I am so confused.

      I think the multiple Chrome Domes with the strange hats are meant to be the 2012 version's answer to the Shredder's Foot Elite in the comics and 2003 series.  Keep in mind that the Foot Elite were a prominent faction in the City at War arc, both in the comics and 2003 series, though more so in the former.

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    • DarknessBoy98 wrote:
      UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      NOW- Looking forward, there is a few things we can predict based on the new intro (which I'm a bit disappointed that for the most part they returned to the original). I'll start with my favorite.
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      MONA LISA AND SAL COMMANDER ARE COMING BACK BABY! And apparently so is Newtralizer...hopefully... I'm thinking of a possible plot involving Mona and Sal searching for Newtralizer, seeing as he is a criminal from their home world (and possibly a war criminal). They learn that he is on earth and asks for the turtles' help finding him. When they do, Newtralizer probably goes supersaiyan with his new powers (whatever they are) and tries to destroy the city. The good Salamandrians save them. Hopefully they can stay and have a relevant purpose. And we saw several of the turtles Earth allies as well so it would be cool to see Earth allies and space allies teaming up. Maybe give Mondo some more depth too.

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      Next up, it looks like Shredder is going to start mass-producing Chrome domes for an army, and some of them will have hats like Shinigami apparently. Last time I checked, the whole team together could barely defeat one. So help will definitely be needed for an army of them.

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      And apparently the Hamato Clan are now... the bad guys? I am so confused.

      I think the multiple Chrome Domes with the strange hats are meant to be the 2012 version's answer to the Shredder's Foot Elite in the comics and 2003 series.  Keep in mind that the Foot Elite were a prominent faction in the City at War arc, both in the comics and 2003 series, though more so in the former.

      woah, woah, woah there UltimateTitan! No talking like Shredder ok?! No "Hamato clan are now the bad guys" what gave you that impression anyway?

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:

      woah, woah, woah there UltimateTitan! No talking like Shredder ok?! No "Hamato clan are now the bad guys" what gave you that impression anyway?

      I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who got that impression, as anyone who paid attention to the new intro would notice that Michelangelo was seen knocking out two old school Hamato Clan ninjas. The red garb and Hamato Clan symbol (which isn't shown at this particular angle) kind of gives that away. I thought the photos I posted earlier in the thread were quite clear on that.

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      Keep in mind that this is a remake of the scene in the season 1 intro where Mikey is seen taking out two Kraangdroids instead, implying that the Hamato Clan will soon be a recurring enemy, just as the Kraang were in season 1. Plus why would Mikey be seen knocking out two of his allies in the intro. That would make no sense.

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    • UltimateTitan6 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:

      woah, woah, woah there UltimateTitan! No talking like Shredder ok?! No "Hamato clan are now the bad guys" what gave you that impression anyway?

      I'm quite sure I'm not the only one who got that impression, as anyone who paid attention to the new intro would notice that Michelangelo was seen knocking out two old school Hamato Clan ninjas. The red garb and Hamato Clan symbol (which isn't shown at this particular angle) kind of gives that away. I thought the photos I posted earlier in the thread were quite clear on that.
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      Season 1 intro

      Keep in mind that this is a remake of the scene in the season 1 intro where Mikey is seen taking out two Kraangdroids instead, implying that the Hamato Clan will soon be a recurring enemy, just as the Kraang were in season 1. Plus why would Mikey be seen knocking out two of his allies in the intro. That would make no sense.

      Unless it turns out that Shinigami was an enemy all along and she's using her hypno stone to control the Hamato ninjas.

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    • That's a theory. I highly doubt it, but it's a theory.

      I just can't see that happening though, because firstly we don't know much at all about the extent of Shini's powers. We're not even sure if her magic (or hypno stone) can even mind control more than one individual at a time, let alone the entire Hamato Clan simultaneously.

      Plus, she was seen on the far left of the allies part of the "Good guys win and the bad guys lose" part of the intro, along with Karai. So yeah, I'm pretty sure Shini is going to be a prominent ally to the turtles.

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    • Woah ok never mind, they're Foot.

      SERIOUSLY!?! Karai gets new Foot soldiers and they just happened to wear the exact same uniform as Hamato Clan ninjas. Yet the turtles don't question that at all, even though there was no explanation given for that. I would at least expect Mikey to make a small quick comment (like he does with many other familiar instances) about how they look like the Hamato ninjas they fought before, but we didn't even get that. Just..."Hey we got some new Foot ninjas. Never mind what their wearing, their Foot ninjas." Seriously, can the graphic artists not just come up with new look for the Foot without just copying and pasting one they already did for another clan? Jeez!

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    • Technically they weren't Foot before this season, they were mercenaries, and judging by how hard they all got owned...not very good ones.

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    • Anyway, on to the actual episode. (sigh) Yep it's confirmed, Karai has a death wish. And I can't BELIEVE Leo got caught up in this idiotic spite seeking mission right there with her. He is supposed to be the mature and wise one. This gave me flashbacks to Robin in Teen Titans, particularly the episode "Masks". Both leaders snuck out on a major mission and opted NOT to inform their team about it. That decision both caused their team (or at least a member of it) to get hurt and their mission to fail.

      Except with Robin, I can almost relate to his decision, given his circumstances. It was season one of TT, the team was still somewhat new, as the longest the team could have known each other was a little over a year. He recently learned that much of the crimes in the city was orchistrated by a powerful mercenary, even for what he had dealt with before. He thought the best option in stopping him was to go undercover, and he did not know how his team would react considering they haven't faced an enemy like this before. He was afraid for their safety, plus they could have jepordized the mission so he chose the safest option: go undercover and don't tell them.

      But LEO, they were your BROTHERS that you grew up with, man! Their saftey wasn't even the reason he did it. And we are elbows deep in season 4! You would think that by now, after all that the Turtles have been through together, Leo would have learned that he can count on his brothers in any situation. He's the last turtle I would expect to be this, well...stupid. And for what, burning Shredder's money? Is the fearless leader reduced to that?

      Anyway, OMG this version of Raph was the Nightwatcher too? 07 movie throwback!

      And Karai's powers just keep getting cooler. Healing burns by shedding her skin...awesome :]

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Technically they weren't Foot before this season, they were mercenaries, and judging by how hard they all got owned...not very good ones.

      Still...

      Terrible mercenaries turned Foot who got badly owned: GET YOUR OWN STINKIN' UNIFORMS!

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    • Are we using this thread for the whole "City at War" arc then? I'm cool with that.

      As with Leo...I think its PRETTY safe to say he just wanted to hang with Karai and get on her good side again, he's allowed his one stupid thing per season.

      And I flipping NEED a Nightwatcher comic based in 2K12, that costume was the COOLEST thing about that movie that looks like a sequel to 2K3 but was supposed to be a sequel to the nineties movies despite NONE of the original VAs being in it. None of them. Robbie Rist is always available.

      And yes, yes they do....her plan was still terrible though, but it makes sense she'd hae bad strategic skills given the MASSIVE psychological trauma she's gon through the past year.

      Karai:I got an idea, let's attack the Shredder's legitimate businesses BEFORE taking out his evil robot factories!

      Leo: Uh...Karai that plan is awful, I mean what do you know about the robo-

      Karai:SCREW YOU LEO-I don't need you, I got my hot witch girlfriend and army of elite warriors!

      Shinigami: What was that senpai?

      Red Foot: And I wouldn't call us elite, wer'e barealy special ops, shell these weren't even our original costumes, we bought them from an old warehouse from Hamato-cor-

      Karai:SHUT UP I AM LADY SHREDDER!

      • One save later*

      Karai: Okay I won't face the Shredder without your help any more.

      Leo: Glad you've come to your sens-

      Karai: I'll KILL the Shredder by myself! SNAKE LADY SHREDDER OUT!

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    • Lol, definitely how it should have went down.

      Oh crud. Have I really been posting about "Broken Foot" on the "City at War" thread? I'm so embarassed.

      I'm not sure this is gonna fly with everyone else. Wanna just copy our comments to the Broken Foot thread? You know, just to make ammo for more conversation.

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    • Yes, yes we should.

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    • Ok cool, I'll start.

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    • All yours buddy

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    • Yay, we did it without making it look completely staged...I think...

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    • Yeah, the show is beginning to slip for me.  

      In the first half of season 3, the turtles spend quite a while at April's farm and go through a bunch of episodes that take after classic horror movies, like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and The Thing.  While I enjoyed them for being campy, I will admit that they came at a poor time, considering that they just barely escaped the Kraang Invasion at the end of season 2 and it's suddenly resolved near the start of the second half of the season.  Granted, it was done in a two-part special and action was fun... but even then, it felt underwhelming and diminished the threat of the Kraang greatly.  

      Speaking of the cabin stuff, compare this to the 2003 series.  After Leonardo gets his ass handed to him by the Foot, the turtles flee New York, spend about two episodes there--one for developing Leo's past with his brothers and another involving a monster hunter--then go back to New York to take on Shredder.  Two episodes, that's it.  How many episodes did we spend here?  Almost half the damn season.  I may have enjoyed the episodes, but I think that's really pushing it when over HALF THE SEASON consist of filler.  

      Then we had the end of the third season, which has Splinter KILLED and Earth is pretty much wiped out... this is an even bigger impact from the end of season 2 and they go on a space adventure to undo the Triceraton invasion before it even begins.  It had a Star Trek feel to it and I think it was better handled than season 3 because at least some episodes advanced the plot, in regards to the Triceratons.  Lord Dregg, while cool to see, ultimately didn't do much in the long run, nor did Armaggon.  

      And now we're suddenly thrusted into the City at War arc?  I honestly feel like this should have happened sooner or much later down the line because we go from space adventure to a city diving into a war.  Despite Raph claiming that gangs will be moving on Shredder's turf, we see remarkably little gang activity, aside from Karai's faction.  I'm beginning to lose interest, and since this is an adaptation of a critically claimed story arc from the original comics--that Eastman and Laird got back together to write and illustrate, mind you--that is NOT a good sign AT ALL.

      And when they introduced the Elite Foot Bots, I thought that we'd have a small squadron of robots that become a threat for the heroes and we'd get some cool fight scenes where they remain a consistent threat...

      Nnnnnope!  They give the turtles a hard time for about two minutes, then the factory is destroyed.  The Foot Elite were essentially the bigger evil of all the warring factions in the comics and this is how they're going to be treated?  We can't even get four tough Chrome Dome-esque Foot Bots that act like the 2003 Foot Elite?  Poor adaptation choice, if you ask me.

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      Yeah, the show is beginning to slip for me.  

      In the first half of season 3, the turtles spend quite a while at April's farm and go through a bunch of episodes that take after classic horror movies, like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and The Thing.  While I enjoyed them for being campy, I will admit that they came at a poor time, considering that they just barely escaped the Kraang Invasion at the end of season 2 and it's suddenly resolved near the start of the second half of the season.  Granted, it was done in a two-part special and action was fun... but even then, it felt underwhelming and diminished the threat of the Kraang greatly.  

      Speaking of the cabin stuff, compare this to the 2003 series.  After Leonardo gets his ass handed to him by the Foot, the turtles flee New York, spend about two episodes there--one for developing Leo's past with his brothers and another involving a monster hunter--then go back to New York to take on Shredder.  Two episodes, that's it.  How many episodes did we spend here?  Almost half the damn season.  I may have enjoyed the episodes, but I think that's really pushing it when over HALF THE SEASON consist of filler.  

      Then we had the end of the third season, which has Splinter KILLED and Earth is pretty much wiped out... this is an even bigger impact from the end of season 2 and they go on a space adventure to undo the Triceraton invasion before it even begins.  It had a Star Trek feel to it and I think it was better handled than season 3 because at least some episodes advanced the plot, in regards to the Triceratons.  Lord Dregg, while cool to see, ultimately didn't do much in the long run, nor did Armaggon.  

      And now we're suddenly thrusted into the City at War arc?  I honestly feel like this should have happened sooner or much later down the line because we go from space adventure to a city diving into a war.  Despite Raph claiming that gangs will be moving on Shredder's turf, we see remarkably little gang activity, aside from Karai's faction.  I'm beginning to lose interest, and since this is an adaptation of a critically claimed story arc from the original comics--that Eastman and Laird got back together to write and illustrate, mind you--that is NOT a good sign AT ALL.

      And when they introduced the Elite Foot Bots, I thought that we'd have a small squadron of robots that become a threat for the heroes and we'd get some cool fight scenes where they remain a consistent threat...

      Nnnnnope!  They give the turtles a hard time for about two minutes, then the factory is destroyed.  The Foot Elite were essentially the bigger evil of all the warring factions in the comics and this is how they're going to be treated?  We can't even get four tough Chrome Dome-esque Foot Bots that act like the 2003 Foot Elite?  Poor adaptation choice, if you ask me.

      YES! THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT!!! this show is getting dumb now. right after season 2 for me it went down hill. The writers have no clue what theyre doing anymore. One min Raphael is afriad of cockroaches, then he's afraid of ALL bugs, he's a punk now cause he LOVES mona to the point where she's pretty much the man in this relationship and it destroyed his character. April please she's a fave. This show might as well be called the april show. Too much fillers, they don't follow up on anything they say from the past episodes, Donnie is CAPITAL USELESS now. He gets beat up or blown up and is the FIRST one down. The turtles are getting weaker and weaker every season. They can't fight tiger claw but april can by just one kick?! huh? the mighty mutanimals are a waste, the casey april couple thing is destroyed because like all adaptaions they SHOULD'VE been already together but no they love the donnie april nonsense. casey does nothing, and he used to be a good part of the team. he barely says anything at all! by every season, it's either the characters get more out of character, they get weaker, the plots are literally all over the place now. and oooo they wanna get darker now i mean really? this is city at war we're supposed to see gangs and stuff what's up? season 4 to me was FILLER. the tricertrons were a big blockage. because hey at the end, none of it ever happened. they went bacl in time 6 months before the earth went kaboom to prevent it from blowing up so technically half of season 4 never happened. the only people who know are the future turtles.


      so where are the past turtles that went with fugitoid for fun in space writers? are we just going to forget about that? To me the writing is wack. it wasnt as solid as season 1 and partially season 2 after that, they're taking plots from other adaptations that handled TMNT BETTER and making it into sci fi washed up nonsense.

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    • Karai2.0 wrote:

      the mighty mutanimals are a waste. this is city at war we're supposed to see gangs and stuff what's up?

      Somebody apparently hasn't seen this week's episode...

      Karai2.0 wrote:

      season 4 to me was FILLER. the tricertrons were a big blockage. because hey at the end, none of it ever happened. they went bacl in time 6 months before the earth went kaboom to prevent it from blowing up so technically half of season 4 never happened. the only people who know are the future turtles.

      Filler? Wow.

      Okay, so after season 3 ended with the whole WORLD being destroyed, you think of it as "filler" for them spending half of the next season (season 4) looking for the only thing in the universe that can save it?

      YO, I'm not even going to waste time and words refuting that very dumb statement. It speaks for itself.

      And no, if you were paying attention AT ALL to the episodes after the space arc, you would know that ALL of season 4 DID in fact happen. How else does Raph still know AND love Mona Lisa, remember his encounters on Sectoid 1 against Dregg and his bug army, and the other turtles make about 50 mentions of their space adventures since they came back? So yeah, I don't know what you were watching, but it surely wasn't the episodes (after the space arc at least).

      P.S. Have you considered the possibility that Raph was afraid of all bugs to begin with? He wasn't exposed to any other bugs in the earlier episodes aside from cockroaches, and we all know that Raph doesn't like to show fear. So why would he, especially when there's no reason to?

      Karai2.0 wrote:

      so where are the past turtles that went with fugitoid for fun in space writers? are we just going to forget about that? To me the writing is wack. it wasnt as solid as season 1 and partially season 2 after that, they're taking plots from other adaptations that handled TMNT BETTER and making it into sci fi washed up nonsense.

      Yeah, I agree that the past turtles thing was a weak plot device. But hey, it's possible we'll see them again, as the showrunners do like having multiple sets of turtles.

      And LOL Sci-Fi nonsense?! DUDE, the whole concept of TMNT in general is Sci-Fi. It's about 4 turtles who mutated to human size after being exposed to some strange gooey alien ooze, learned ninjutsu from their rat father who is also a mutant, and fight monsters, sentient robots, aliens, and other mutants like themselves. So if you have a problem with science fiction, TMNT is not for you. Like, ALL of TMNT is not for you.

      I must say, DarknessBoy98 has MUCH more validity with his complaints about this show than you do.

      And I'm not knocking you for hating the 2012 show, but if you're going to criticize it, at least get your facts and definitions straight. Geez...

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4:

      There's nothing intrinsically wrong with tons of rural scenery or tons of advanced sci-fi in a TMNT story. It's been done well before. ...and it's also been done terribly before, such as recently.

      But I do think City at War was one of the best story arcs because of its powerful page-by-page character development. Characters went through the wringer to really, truly, find out who they are and who they want (and need) to become. And it's one of my favorite kinds of TMNT story—lots and lots of thought, feeling and slice-of-life experience. It's the kind of story where you see characters hit rock bottom, or see them be bored out of their skulls for months on end, but it's in these moments that some people really stop and think about their purpose in life. And I was especially interested in the argument the turtles had together over whether to make a treaty with the Foot Clan, whether it was the right thing to do, what the implications of it were going to be; and then, when faced with Karai clutching her only daughter the Shredder Elites had just murdered...

      Karai and Leonardo make a pact

      ...and Leonardo, as leader, made a decision. They weren't sure it would be the best decision, or even whether it was the right decision. But Leo made the decision for the team, and the team stood by it, and lived with the consequences. Those consequences would prove to be a final end of war with the Foot Clan. It's not like they believed the Foot were suddenly virtuous—they were still a criminal enterprise. But this was the turtles, as adults, picking their battles and deciding which battles they could no longer afford. And for all the things that could be said to describe Karai, she at least proved to be honorable with her agreements. ...at least until she had become old and senile in Silent Night, but by then she was more an object of pity than enmity.

      Dude... What if they recreate that, but with the Foot Elite killing Shinigami instead :o

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      KunokitaxD4:

      There's nothing intrinsically wrong with tons of rural scenery or tons of advanced sci-fi in a TMNT story. It's been done well before. ...and it's also been done terribly before, such as recently.

      But I do think City at War was one of the best story arcs because of its powerful page-by-page character development. Characters went through the wringer to really, truly, find out who they are and who they want (and need) to become. And it's one of my favorite kinds of TMNT story—lots and lots of thought, feeling and slice-of-life experience. It's the kind of story where you see characters hit rock bottom, or see them be bored out of their skulls for months on end, but it's in these moments that some people really stop and think about their purpose in life. And I was especially interested in the argument the turtles had together over whether to make a treaty with the Foot Clan, whether it was the right thing to do, what the implications of it were going to be; and then, when faced with Karai clutching her only daughter the Shredder Elites had just murdered...

      Karai and Leonardo make a pact

      ...and Leonardo, as leader, made a decision. They weren't sure it would be the best decision, or even whether it was the right decision. But Leo made the decision for the team, and the team stood by it, and lived with the consequences. Those consequences would prove to be a final end of war with the Foot Clan. It's not like they believed the Foot were suddenly virtuous—they were still a criminal enterprise. But this was the turtles, as adults, picking their battles and deciding which battles they could no longer afford. And for all the things that could be said to describe Karai, she at least proved to be honorable with her agreements. ...at least until she had become old and senile in Silent Night, but by then she was more an object of pity than enmity.

      Dude... What if they recreate that, but with the Foot Elite killing Shinigami instead :o

      I certainly hope they don't recreate it and kill anyone... If anything they may kill Splinter again.... I doubt it will be Shinigami though, becasue she's listed as coming back in Season 5 right? I saw her in "Scroll of the Demodragon" page as in the list of characters.

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    • Really? Hm... I guess she could get severely wounded instead :v

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    • Fernando Pandha wrote:
      Really? Hm... I guess she could get severely wounded instead :v

      That I believe

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