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  • Mabye Lord Dregg returns and operate under the facade of a celebrated hero in their eyes of the people of the earth like he did in the 1987 TV series

    Maybe he will team up with Shredder and/or the Kraang

    Maybe he will kidnap Karai and/or the Fugitoid

    what do you think?

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    • Yes

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    • The second half is supposed to be a "City at War" kind of thing with Humans vs Mutants

      Maybe Shredder will expose the Turtles and other Mutanimals and turn the city agains them. The heroes find Karai and they find a way to take down Shredder once and for all.

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    • IF shredder does expose the turtles and the other mutants then will this lead to his lieutenants to reform since shredder unleashed complete anarchy. I would like to see a battle nexus tournament as the next arc since we keep hearing about ten dimensions and we could finally see the other dimensions like Usagi's world, possibly a representative from Robot Monkey's since got reference to their world in Wyrm when we see the wigglenog as one of the various wish granters.

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    • I think Fugitoid will return like he did 2003 show, both versions featured the fugitoid sacrificing himself to get rid of the triceratons and destroyed their bodies. I am assuming fuigitoid will probably download himself into earths satelites and transport him to Donnie's t-shell or something.

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    • I doubt Shredder will be able to capture Miwa again soon.  She has full control of her mutation and isn't under Shredder's control, and from what we know, she's not even in New York.

      Though that does leave one question.  Where is she?

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      I doubt Shredder will be able to capture Miwa again soon.  She has full control of her mutation and isn't under Shredder's control, and from what we know, she's not even in New York.

      Though that does leave one question.  Where is she?

      One of the things the second half of Season 4 will likley deal with the Turtles trying to find Karai and trying to help her, but she is conflicted and haunted by her past deeds and fears what she might do with her mutation.

      In the end, when the Turltes have their fight against Shredder, Karai will likley join them and it ends with her becoming a member of the family.

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    • Iron117Prime wrote:
      The second half is supposed to be a "City at War" kind of thing with Humans vs Mutants

      Maybe Shredder will expose the Turtles and other Mutanimals and turn the city agains them. The heroes find Karai and they find a way to take down Shredder once and for all.

      Whre did you hear that ?

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    • Iron117Prime wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      I doubt Shredder will be able to capture Miwa again soon.  She has full control of her mutation and isn't under Shredder's control, and from what we know, she's not even in New York.

      Though that does leave one question.  Where is she?

      One of the things the second half of Season 4 will likley deal with the Turtles trying to find Karai and trying to help her, but she is conflicted and haunted by her past deeds and fears what she might do with her mutation.

      In the end, when the Turltes have their fight against Shredder, Karai will likley join them and it ends with her becoming a member of the family.

      I hope that's true.

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    • Well, from what I remember about the original City at War:

      • A man was severely injured after the terrorist bombing of a sex shop. The turtles investigated the ruins of said sex shop.
      • The turtles lived for a few months in a watertower, without Splinter, April or Casey. The turtles had a crisis of purpose, and eventually learnt how to make decisions on their own that they knew even Splinter might disapprove of, but to accept those decisions and stand by them.
      • Casey met, fell in love and married a woman named Gabrielle, who was already pregnant with a daughter. Casey adopted that baby and it became his stepdaughter Shadow Jones.
      • April went to live with her sister Robyn in Los Angeles.
      • Splinter became stranded inside an industrial ruin with a broken leg for two months, and the Rat King taught Splinter how to break his cannibalism taboo and eat live rats to survive.
      • The turtles helped Karai hunt down and execute the Shredder's lieutenants one by one, most of them dying inside what was left of April's destroyed apartment.
      • April bought the apartment building Casey's mother owned, and became a landlord of tenants including Casey himself, who returned with Shadow after his wife died. April and Casey eventually moved in together, and became a couple, and later married with Shadow as their daughter.

      And the chances of any of these things happening in 2K12 are...I'm gonna say nonexistent. XD I predict this "City at War" will be even less like the Mirage version than the 2003 version (which was already pretty different as it was). IDW had City Fall, but that was only inspired by City at War, and not a full reimagining of it. Still, even City Fall had a lot of blood being spilt and people dying.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, from what I remember about the original City at War:
      • A man was severely injured after the terrorist bombing of a sex shop. The turtles investigated the ruins of said sex shop.
      • The turtles lived for a few months in a watertower, without Splinter, April or Casey. The turtles had a crisis of purpose, and eventually learnt how to make decisions on their own that they knew even Splinter might disapprove of, but to accept those decisions and stand by them.
      • Casey met, fell in love and married a woman named Gabrielle, who was already pregnant with a daughter. Casey adopted that baby and it became his stepdaughter Shadow Jones.
      • April went to live with her sister Robyn in Los Angeles.
      • Splinter became stranded inside an industrial ruin with a broken leg for two months, and the Rat King taught Splinter how to break his cannibalism taboo and eat live rats to survive.
      • The turtles helped Karai hunt down and execute the Shredder's lieutenants one by one, most of them dying inside what was left of April's destroyed apartment.
      • April bought the apartment building Casey's mother owned, and became a landlord of tenants including Casey himself, who returned with Shadow after his wife died. April and Casey eventually moved in together, and became a couple, and later married with Shadow as their daughter.

      And the chances of any of these things happening in 2K12 are...I'm gonna say nonexistent. XD I predict this "City at War" will be even less like the Mirage version than the 2003 version (which was already pretty different as it was). IDW had City Fall, but that was only inspired by City at War, and not a full reimagining of it. Still, even City Fall had a lot of blood being spilt and people dying.

      I doubt it will be that violent, true. But I'm still hoping the part with Karai being a part of the turtle's family is true. 

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    • Okay, fun improbable idea time! :D Let's say 2K12's "City at War" did try to follow something resembling the Mirage story. These ideas spoil Mirage's version, so I'm continuing the spoiler tag.

      • The lair is totally destroyed, perhaps flooded by the storm surge of a hurricane, and the turtles with Splinter move temporarily into April's place, and then into a watertower to make April's place less of a target.
      • Raph runs off and moves in with his boyfriend. Chompy Picasso is not some damn replacement goldfish for Spike/Slash. Give us some more of that season 2 sexual tension, bro!
      • April and Donnie finally start dating, and Casey finds a young woman of his own named Gabrielle. Casey is already 18, and they get married.
      • We finally see April's never-seen aunt and Casey's never-seen dad and sister.
      • Tiger Claw overthrows the Shredder for trying to destroy the world. But Bradford, Xever, Steranko and Zeck won't accept Tiger Claw's leadership, and they go on their own and resume competing criminal enterprises of their own.
      • Casey and Gabrielle die horribly, and Gabrielle's new baby Shadow is adopted by April and Donnie to raise as their daughter.

      Seriously though, half-joking aside, City at War is considered perhaps the finest of all TMNT storylines ever written. Any adaptation of it necessarily demands a very high standard of quality in writing and execution, and especially in drama (it was very much decidedly not a comedy). A 2K12 version of City at War would have to more than surpass the best stories 2K12 has already done, including The Alien Agenda, Karai's Vendetta and Slash and Destroy. And this announcement comes right after 2K12 had its half-season from hell, so bad I can't even rewatch the reruns of what I did see. The production team better be one hell of a houdini.

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    • Brian Dodd wrote:
      Iron117Prime wrote:
      The second half is supposed to be a "City at War" kind of thing with Humans vs Mutants

      Maybe Shredder will expose the Turtles and other Mutanimals and turn the city agains them. The heroes find Karai and they find a way to take down Shredder once and for all.

      Whre did you hear that ?

      Brandon Auman posted this on his instagram.
      The next episode "City at War" is coming in a few months, and it's awesome!

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    • Well I decided to suck it up and watch the space arc. The CGI has gotten better but the writing and pacing felt really, really off. I love 'City at War' so I'm really worried about how the 2012 series will handle it. I usually love the space arc and this version turned out pretty bland and forgettable.

      Also, April needs to just sit down and talk with Fake Casey and Donnie about her feelings and if she even wants to be in a relationship because this sub-plot is getting painful to watch.

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    • Tarrlok's the REAL Hero:

      Yeah, that was pretty much my friends' take on it, too. They're really, really phoning in the writing. It all makes me miss better writing, and feel left high and dry. At least I know from the various opinions I've heard over the months that I'm not the only one who finds Raphael and Y'Gythgba absolutely derailingly unwatchably noxious. They're like a war crime all by themselves. XD You just don't do that to one of the series' formerly best developed characters like Raph. But it also seems like this show has been turning into one of those shows that becomes more commercial successful the worse its writing becomes. And now they're trying to adapt something as venerable as City at War with a production team that seems the least possibly prepared to do it.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Okay, fun improbable idea time! :D Let's say 2K12's "City at War" did try to follow something resembling the Mirage story. These ideas spoil Mirage's version, so I'm continuing the spoiler tag.
      • The lair is totally destroyed, perhaps flooded by the storm surge of a hurricane, and the turtles with Splinter move temporarily into April's place, and then into a watertower to make April's place less of a target.
      • Raph runs off and moves in with his boyfriend. Chompy Picasso is not some damn replacement goldfish for Spike/Slash. Give us some more of that season 2 sexual tension, bro!
      • April and Donnie finally start dating, and Casey finds a young woman of his own named Gabrielle. Casey is already 18, and they get married.
      • We finally see April's never-seen aunt and Casey's never-seen dad and sister.
      • Tiger Claw overthrows the Shredder for trying to destroy the world. But Bradford, Xever, Steranko and Zeck won't accept Tiger Claw's leadership, and they go on their own and resume competing criminal enterprises of their own.
      • Casey and Gabrielle die horribly, and Gabrielle's new baby Shadow is adopted by April and Donnie to raise as their daughter.

      Seriously though, half-joking aside, City at War is considered perhaps the finest of all TMNT storylines ever written. Any adaptation of it necessarily demands a very high standard of quality in writing and execution, and especially in drama (it was very much decidedly not a comedy). A 2K12 version of City at War would have to more than surpass the best stories 2K12 has already done, including The Alien Agenda, Karai's Vendetta and Slash and Destroy. And this announcement comes right after 2K12 had its half-season from hell, so bad I can't even rewatch the reruns of what I did see. The production team better be one hell of a houdini.

      Honestly though, I think the fact that she coughed up the brainworm may just be forshadowing that we may get a happy ending for Karai.

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    • We spent the past two years hoping for a happier ending with Karai. Since then, I've become far more worried about the entire rest of the series. And now, a happy Karai ending will be meaningless if the entire show around it (and the family she's returning home to) have no soul.

      I mean, one of the things that made Karai most interesting was not just her relation with Splinter or her humorous sexual tension with Leo, but also the way she evenly matched Raph for sheer cattitude. And you can't just make Raph cat whenever you want like some trained poodle—you knew it came from a deep seasoned developed character with a conspicuously queer-tinted outlook and a bitchy streak a mile long. So when Raph made a cutting remark, you knew the depths of divatude it came from, and it was glorious.

      Now that infinitely fascinating side of Raph's personality has been completely whitewashed from the story in favor of a bland one-dimensional caricature of an angry hothead with, at best, an informed phoned-in motivation. Who will try to outcat Karai now? And who will be there for Karai to outcat? Let's worry less about their missing sister Karai—she'll almost certainly be coming back by the end of this season. Instead, let's worry more about their missing sister Raphael, without whom Karai's homecoming will never feel complete.

      In memoriam, here are some fond memories of Raph and Karai's good times.

      He's almost as entertaining as youIf Shredder finds out you have an ice cream lampSome of us choose to be right all the time

      Don't you just want to put them on a greeting card? :)

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    • Forget about the most important person in Splinter's life? I don't think so, not even a little.

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    • I wouldn't say Karai is the most important person in Splinter's life. I'd say she's one of five, or maybe even six or seven most important people in his life. They are Splinter's children, both born and adopted. But for now, Karai is still out there, while the family who are still around have badly stagnated as characters.

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    • There was someone on here that talked about that Karai would be conflicted and haunted by her past and wouldn't really feel it would be safe to join them. With this I have a huge problem with. We have already been through this plot-hole like nine (I know not really nine but it feels like it by now) times already! I know she doesn't really feel all that proud of her past and what she did but by now I think she would understand that they would accept her no matter what now and that she can control (or splinter can help her learn to control) her mutation better. So I don't really want to go through this YET again, and I'd just like her to become a regular in the show, like a fifth turtle of sorts. And more importantly, I just want her to be able to be with her real family (for good this time) for the love of god! I'm sick and tired of the whole "Hi Karai! Bye Karai!" situations and getting nowhere!

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      I wouldn't say Karai is the most important person in Splinter's life. I'd say she's one of five, or maybe even six or seven most important people in his life. They are Splinter's children, both born and adopted. But for now, Karai is still out there, while the family who are still around have badly stagnated as characters.

      Well, maybe Miwa finally joining her family for good will fix that.  Maybe she'll bring back the meaning of family to this show.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      There was someone on here that talked about that Karai would be conflicted and haunted by her past and wouldn't really feel it would be safe to join them. With this I have a huge problem with. We have already been through this plot-hole like nine (I know not really nine but it feels like it by now) times already! I know she doesn't really feel all that proud of her past and what she did but by now I think she would understand that they would accept her no matter what now and that she can control (or splinter can help her learn to control) her mutation better. So I don't really want to go through this YET again, and I'd just like her to become a regular in the show, like a fifth turtle of sorts. And more importantly, I just want her to be able to be with her real family (for good this time) for the love of god! I'm sick and tired of the whole "Hi Karai! Bye Karai!" situations and getting nowhere!

      So do I, man!  I'm sick of it, too!  I want Miwa to become a regular in this show as much as you do!  I'm sick and tired of the creators dragging out Miwa's struggle to return to her family!

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      I wouldn't say Karai is the most important person in Splinter's life. I'd say she's one of five, or maybe even six or seven most important people in his life. They are Splinter's children, both born and adopted. But for now, Karai is still out there, while the family who are still around have badly stagnated as characters.
      Well, maybe Miwa finally joining her family for good will fix that.  Maybe she'll bring back the meaning of family to this show.

      Let's hope! We need some "Karainess" back into the show...well the "new" "Karainess" back.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1:

      Indeed. But I think the rehashed plots are more a sign of recycled writing or the writers being pressured to maintain a status quo. After all, the castaways on Gilligan's Island couldn't be rescued, or there would be no more show.

      But you're right that this is really lame—Karai's status quo ought to eventually change in a timely manner, as should all the characters in an organic well-written progression. I mean, the show has confirmed that one season equals one year, and yet the turtles are still 15 or at best 16, when they should really be at least 18 by now, and April should be 19 or 20, and Casey 20 or 21. The Mirage comics allowed the turtles to age naturally, then collapsed the series' title to "TMNT" when they could no longer be called teenagers, which is why the 2007 film and Mirage TMNT volume 4 preferred only to call themselves "TMNT". The beauty of the collapsed acronym is that it could also stand for "Twentysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles" or "Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles," or even "The Mutant Ninja Turtles."

      This show has been heading into unholy 1987 TV series formula where the characters never age and never mature, and they can boiled down into one-dimensional character profiles with no real depth or change.

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    • I could almost make a joke about this trend. Splinter was murdered, but it was everyone else who died on-screen.

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    • I'm all for Karai being like the "hero" of the show (meaning she's probably gonna be the one to SAVE it from extinction (probably spelled that wrong)) but don't make it SOOO hard for her! This show is going downhill fast even with cool characters like Mona, the Salacommander (is that what he's called?), Honeycutt, etc. 

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    • Eh, Mona was never cool. But your point is apropos.

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    • You spelt extinction correctly, by the way. :)

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    • And to the person who made this topic, PLEASE and I really stress PLEASE, NO MORE KIDNAPPING MIWA! There's already been way too much of that! Yes, I know rescue missions are cool to watch, but I think Miwa's been kidnapped enough for quite a while. Same goes with Honeycutt,, he's had enough bad things happen to him. I mean, who'd want to have to admit that they created something like the black hole generator, and being the reason why shredder even had the chance to kill Splinter?

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Eh, Mona was never cool. But your point is apropos.

      Thanks... x whispers x what does apropos mean?

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    • Apropos means "fitting; appropriate," in that an apropos point need not be 100% accurate, since its essence is still correct.

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    • When this show utterly frustrates me (which is every new episode Sunday and every time there are post-season 2 reruns), I like to relax with some good TMNT reading. I mean, sure, I've made collections of clips of good moments earlier in the 2012 TV series, but those are anthologies of memories, and I like to read whole stories. So I've been keeping myself busy editing articles for some of the better stories most TMNT fans have never heard of.

      I tried to be thorough with these articles, but an article can't really do these stories justice, so it's best to find the comics somewhere.

      Mirage's City at War story is considered one of the finest TMNT story arcs ever written, but considering how the 2012 TV series has been going lately, I cringe just thinking of all the ways this venerable story can be utterly desecrated.

      For fanfiction, there's also Myrling's continuing webcomic Hindsight, a reimagining of Blind Faith and Blind Sight for the 2012 TV series universe, and it's really good. If you want heartwarming, there's also various Turtle Tots stuff, including Myrling's Turtle Tots React series of shorts.

      Let's not keep driving ourselves crazy. We're all already pros at doing that.

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    • lol you think XD and thanks :)

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    • Been rereading Hindsight that's already been published. At times like these, I wish stuff like this were 2K12 canon, and the entire past year's worth of 2K12 TV episodes weren't canon. About a year ago, I started brainstorming fanfiction in an "interquel" setting, squeezed between two existing episodes. But I became dejected by the steady disintegration of the show's story and characters. And it's not just that it's gotten really bad—it's that there still seem to be viewers who love the new stuff for many of the exact same reasons I've come to loathe it. It makes me feel unwelcome in an increasingly strange land, talking about what used to be my favorite TV show. And I really wasn't watching other TV shows with nearly the devotion I'd been watching this one.

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    • Same here...other than maybe pokemon xyz but that's beside the point...

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    • I wrote a very, very long post about all the things I'd change or delete from this series, but then realized it could invite very, very long replies, or people might just skip it as tl;dr.

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    • Amidgs wrote:
      Brian Dodd wrote:
      Iron117Prime wrote:
      The second half is supposed to be a "City at War" kind of thing with Humans vs Mutants

      Maybe Shredder will expose the Turtles and other Mutanimals and turn the city agains them. The heroes find Karai and they find a way to take down Shredder once and for all.

      Whre did you hear that ?
      Brandon Auman posted this on his instagram.
      The next episode "City at War" is coming in a few months, and it's awesome!

      ok then thank you

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    • This is only tangentally on-topic, but considering Karai is expected to play a major role in the next plot arc which, considering the original City at War, could tie up as many loose ends for Karai as it could for the turtles. And there's been that whole Leorai tension going on. So with that in mind, what does everyone think of this decade-old reference I recently dug up?

      In Mirage TMNT's Tales of Leonardo: Blind Sight, Leonardo experiences a vision of living another life where he is a samurai in feudal Japan. In this life he wasn't raised by Splinter, but instead by the rat zodiac god Kubira (who strongly resembles Splinter). More than this, despite being a turtle and recognized as as a turtle even in his vision, Leo managed to have a human wife, and together they had a daughter named Yumi who was trained as a ninja.

      Now, here are three pictures:

      Leonardo's wifeKarai 39Leonardo's daughter Yumi

      From left to right, they are Leonardo's (unnamed) human wife, then Hamato Miwa, then Leonardo's daughter Yumi. Leo's wife and Miwa have the same facial structure and very similar hairstyles, though the wife is decidedly less "evil"-styled and has a higher-positioned (less "villainous") widow's peak. And Yumi also has a somewhat similar face and hairstyle, but her sidebangs are even more like Miwa's than her mother's are. I like to think that these two Mirage characters may have directly inspired the design of Miwa's appearance, but that Miwa was made to appear more "evil" because she had been raised by Oroku Saki.

      I can't help but think, that if Karai can come home, and if she and Leo can somehow move past the uncertain tension and find out whether they actually both have feelings for each other, and if then they form a relationship and get married, and somehow have a daughter together, their family could look as wholesome and content as this one. Perhaps their daughter could even be named Yumi.

      It's just a vision

      Of course, even Mirage Leo was reluctant to believe the life this vision was showing him. But 2K12 Leo? Such a life may be perfectly suited for him. This is a vision of Leo and Karai's possible future that fans can hope for.

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    • I'm all for it in honesty, shell I'm all for any turtle having a happily married life! Seriously Laird, what is it with you and the turtles not having romantic lives? WHY DON'T YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE HAPPINESS?! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?! Eh, he has is weird objective writer reasons.

      If they did this in show, it'd be JUST enough to give me denial that the turtles mutated from Splinter making them technically his legit children. 

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    • Just wanted too say that there isn't anything "wrong" with Peter Laird, the turtles are part his creation if he doesn't like the idea of the turtles having romantic lives then that's that. He has good points about it considering they are giant mutant turtles, not too mention there's Always love interests in just about every single comic and tv and movie etc why cant they just be Ninja Turtles why do they have to be Romantic turtles? And why do two people/beings of the opposite gender have to continuously hook up why cant they just be friends?

      Just wanted too say that since i felt it rude that you said "what's wrong with him" especially considering these are fictional characters we're dealing with here.

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    • Well, Blind Faith and Blind Sight were written entirely by Jim Lawson, so he would be the one to ask any questions about it what happened in their pages. Also, I think Laird may have only been able to approve because this was a vision of a different life Leonardo could have had or may have had in feudal Japan, and his family doesn't exist in the present day. Still, that feudal era Leo was still an anthropomorphic turtle, was still adopted and raised by an anthropomorphic rat (though not Splinter), and still specialized in fighting with twin katana, but his primary occupation was samurai rather than ninja. We also don't even know what his feudal era name was—no one in the vision ever actually calls him "Leonardo." Though if I had been in Lawson's shoes, I'd probably name him "Shitan," which is the Japanese calque of "lion-bold" and also an actual Japanese men's name.

      Anyway, you seem hung up on wild and crazy mutant superpowers. I wouldn't mind if Leo and Karai had one or more perfectly ordinary mundane children...who could be trained in ninjutsu, perhaps, but wouldn't necessarily have superhuman powers. The idea of Leo having a fully human-looking daughter like Yumi is an also interesting though—perhaps even a mutant turtle who remains on the full human side of the appearance scale ("looks: full" like in that Palladium diagram). And maybe not a first-hand mutant, but a multi-generational mutant who was born into the condition from one or both mutant parents, like April's mother who herself was also implied to have been born into the condition.

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    • Yes, of course, Peter Laird had a preference and there wasn't necessarily anything wrong with that. But we're talking mainly about Peter Laird who was then the director of Mirage and its TMNT comics when other people were writing its stories. He didn't necessarily have the same ideas as Kevin Eastman or Jim Lawson (or Niro Cieli), who have their own ideas about things. And sometimes Laird truly relented, and allowed romance stories like Leonardo/Radical to be published as Mirage TMNT canon.

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    • About the super-powers....I like super powers, ty are cool and fun.

      And praise to the Tengu he did, seriously I'll give him the "fifth" turtle from that awful live action series was a mistake, but denying the turtles ANY love? That'd be too cruel. Aw well, honestly I'm leaning on the 2K12 version of Radical....or maybe Flaming Carrot, wouldn't THAT be a twist?

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    • So does "second half starts in a few months" mean a few months like in July, or a few months as in next Januaray (I never know how to spell it)?

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    • No-body knoooooooooows.

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    • Either way, we're gonna have to wait.

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    • x sigh x of course x sigh x

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      x sigh x of course x sigh x

      Ticks me off too.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1: I would have thought you'd have something to say about what I learnt about Miwa's likeness. :)

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1: I would have thought you'd have something to say about what I learnt about Miwa's likeness. :)

      about leo's wife and Miwa's familiar looks? Yes, I feel his daughter does have more of the long side bang thingies than the wife does. but I think the wife does look a whole lot more like Miwa. I personally have never really watched/read mirage so I can't really say much but it seems awesome :)

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    • Yes, I agree. The wife looks more like Miwa, but Yumi's side bangs are more like Miwa's.

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    • WEIRD thought about Miwa....does she still count as Karai? I'm talking multiversally here, does she count as an alternate universe version of Karai given how different her origin is? In the Mirage comics she was adopted by Oroku Saki and was defs NOT the child of Hamato Yoshi...I hope, but in this her origin is so askewed. Can one be an alternate version of someone while having a genetic origin so radically different?

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    • No, in 2003 Karai was adopted by Oroku Saki. In Mirage, Oroku Saki was Karai's renegade former subordinate, and she was old enough to have a teenager daughter in her first appearance. Karai controlled the Foot Clan as a global organization, while Oroku Saki's New York City branch went rogue and broke ranks with Karai's authority.

      Of course, sometimes I wonder if Karai is ageless or just very slow-aging, because in volume 4, she still looks the same age, and even wears a swimsuit without looking older in it.

      Yoshimickster, it is true that Mirage and 2003 share many of the same details, but there are differences—lots of them—which can only be learnt by you cracking open those books and getting to work reading.

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    • In Mirage's City at War, Oroku Saki had already been dead for some years, but his former subordinates went to war against each other for dominance against each other. It had become a nuisance even to Karai in Tōkyō, so she traveled to New York City to deal with it herself. But her forces were ambushed, and her aides were killed. She made a pact with the four turtles to help her hunt down and execute every last one of the Shredder's elites. This is a decision the turtles made without consulting Splinter, and they weren't certain it was the right decision, especially since it meant helping the Foot Clan. But Leonardo swore to it, and they followed through with it. This was an important, morally grey decision they made as adults rather than as children, and marked the end of volume 1 by marking the true end of their childhood.

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    • You really never knew that Mirage Karai was never subordinate to Oroku Saki? That she was the master whose authority he betrayed?

      The newer incarnations of TMNT keep making Karai younger and more junior than she originally was.

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    • I don't think we will see Karai yet despite the fact that splinter said he couldn't find her anywhere in Annihilation Earth so how come she would be in City at War if this is slightly after the Annihilation I think we will see her in the next story arc a little bit farther were they have searched for her even more.

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    • KraangSubSubPrime: Tradition strongly suggests Karai will not only be involved, but will be central to the plot. In every other version of City at War before, she has been a centrally important character. If they adapt City at War and don't make her central, it would be an enormous departure from this tradition.

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    • I'm pretty sure Karai doesn't want to be found by either the Turtles or the Foot. After being freed from the brain worm, she's probably so full of guilt for all she's done serving the Shredder that she probably wants to be left alone.

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    • We can also assume that it left her mind in-SANELY fractured, which will probably lead her to go on an Archer style rampage.

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    • It would just be so interesting if this new arc began with defections from the Foot Clan's ranks, if not the Shredder's overthrow or attempted overthrow from the inside. I mean, if they don't at least write Tiger Claw as partially aware of what the Shredder tried to do, I'll lose even more respect for the writers. Tiger Claw can actually redeem more of his long-stagnant character development by being written as the Shredder's greatest threat from within the organization. There are other minions, but only Tiger Claw is currently entrusted as second-in-command.

      And maybe Karai's Archer-style rampage can intersect with helping bring down the then-warring factions. :)

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    • I think they should have Tiger Claw have nightmares of what really happened, each stopping just before he sees Saki do the deed, he wakes up. The episode would then have Shredder doing a bunch of CRAZY plans to get the turtles, one plan risking the lives of all his henchman, knocking him out. He finally sees the full dream, and once their all back in the foot lair-locks him in a cage. ALL HAIL LORD TIGER CLAW!

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    • If any of what you guys are suggesting helps Karai reunite with Splinter and the turtles, I'm all for it.

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    • Yoshimickster: Don't expect clever writing from the show—it's not like it's season 1 or 2 anymore. :) Nick is in this now to make easy money from its cash cow, nothing more. Of course, it would be nice if they actually prove me wrong for once this year.

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    • YOU KNOW! IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOME OPTIMISM FOR ONCE!

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    • Oh, Yoshimickster knows exactly what I'm talking about. XD It's fine. This highly ambitious plot was announced at a low point in what a lot of this show's viewers consider to be its absolute worst spell. If the writers can pull off a houdini and make a fantastic adaptation of the City at War arc, I'd love to congratulate them for it. They just haven't produced anything I find enjoyable or watchable in a year.

      That's part of being a fan—sometimes there are good spells, and sometimes there are bad spells, and sometimes there are really bad spells. And this isn't even remotely the first time TMNT has gone through one of these over the past 32 years.

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    • To be a long-time TMNT fan is to know the pain of wall bangers.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246: As much as I'd like to tell you to use your indoor voice, I think I understand your frustration. A lot of people have liked this show recently, and a lot of people have instead found great frustration with this show recently. You seem frazzled by the steady criticism of a show you like. But this is part of being in a fandom. You can't please everyone, and you can't get everyone to agree with you, and sometimes broken fanbases happen.

      You should have seen some of the screaming matches angry fans could get into in the Star Fox fandom—those could peel paint. Entire forum communities have collapsed because diametrically opposed fans couldn't even peacefully coexist, let alone agree with each other. You should be grateful that this site isn't anywhere near such a point. :)

      So, allow fans the freedom to ride out their dork ages. Besides, it's not like I said nothing optimistic—I still hope someday the show can prove me wrong.

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    • The space arc was a little strange, I will admit. I was really looking forward to Mona's appearance and Raph's crush, but I was hoping their relationship would develop overtime instead of a suddenly rushing into a 'couple.' Granted, none of the other Turtle brothers have had success in their love life and maybe the writers wanted to give one at least a bit of romance; the execution though crushed it for me. I love Mona and Raph, but I think the writers could've developed Mona more and have the relationship develop before having our favorite red banded terrapin falling head over heels over her in practically one episode.

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    • @Gilgameshkun - I also wish the characters would change. It does seem like the characters haven't really developed as this show has gone on. For me, Raph was OOC and Leo was way OOC in Earth's Last stand.

      (SPOILERS) Sure, the trauma of his father's death would haunt Leo and Fugitoids actions would make them furious, I wouldn't; however, think it would cause him to suddenly go rouge and go on a suicide mission. Even in past situations, he would still be a bit rational and level-headed. It just didn't make sense for him to do that to me. As of age, they might have grown a little bit, but then again it can be hard to tell. There isn't enough of a difference to tell, or even another mutation day or hint about how old they are.

      Any changes?

      See a difference?

      I just hope that the next half of Season 4 will produce better results, and we see an advancement with these characters that will be more gratifying then the beginning of this season.

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    • ...huh! Well ain't that a nice subtle change!

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    • Skylaroid: For some audiences, it was a lot more joltingly uncomfortable than you may realize. I won't rehash it all here, and I don't really want to segue the current topic, so you can read about it here instead.

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    • Huh, he's proportioned differently now.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Well, from what I remember about the original City at War:
      • A man was severely injured after the terrorist bombing of a sex shop. The turtles investigated the ruins of said sex shop.
      • The turtles lived for a few months in a watertower, without Splinter, April or Casey. The turtles had a crisis of purpose, and eventually learnt how to make decisions on their own that they knew even Splinter might disapprove of, but to accept those decisions and stand by them.
      • Casey met, fell in love and married a woman named Gabrielle, who was already pregnant with a daughter. Casey adopted that baby and it became his stepdaughter Shadow Jones.
      • April went to live with her sister Robyn in Los Angeles.
      • Splinter became stranded inside an industrial ruin with a broken leg for two months, and the Rat King taught Splinter how to break his cannibalism taboo and eat live rats to survive.
      • The turtles helped Karai hunt down and execute the Shredder's lieutenants one by one, most of them dying inside what was left of April's destroyed apartment.
      • April bought the apartment building Casey's mother owned, and became a landlord of tenants including Casey himself, who returned with Shadow after his wife died. April and Casey eventually moved in together, and became a couple, and later married with Shadow as their daughter.

      And the chances of any of these things happening in 2K12 are...I'm gonna say nonexistent. XD I predict this "City at War" will be even less like the Mirage version than the 2003 version (which was already pretty different as it was). IDW had City Fall, but that was only inspired by City at War, and not a full reimagining of it. Still, even City Fall had a lot of blood being spilt and people dying.

      I doubt it will be that violent, true. But I'm still hoping the part with Karai being a part of the turtle's family is true. 


      I was wondering how Nick will have its own version of "City of War".  The characters by the way are too young.

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    • PennTurtle: If only the show would have let them age one year per calendar year, that wouldn't be such a problem now. XD "City at War" is a coming-of-age story—it doesn't work as well with permanently teenage turtles.

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    • So since this whole "City at War" arc has Miwa play a big role, (I never read the comics), does that means Miwa will become a permanent character on this show, and she'll make an appearance in every episode from now on?

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      So since this whole "City at War" arc has Miwa play a big role, (I never read the comics), does that means Miwa will become a permanent character on this show, and she'll make an appearance in every episode from now on?

      Don't know for sure yet, but one can only hope. :)

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      So since this whole "City at War" arc has Miwa play a big role, (I never read the comics), does that means Miwa will become a permanent character on this show, and she'll make an appearance in every episode from now on?
      Don't know for sure yet, but one can only hope. :)

      Yeah, I hope so too.  I'm getting sick and tired of the creators pulling this whole once every seven episodes bull-s##t they've been doing for Miwa.

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    • DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      So since this whole "City at War" arc has Miwa play a big role, (I never read the comics), does that means Miwa will become a permanent character on this show, and she'll make an appearance in every episode from now on?
      Don't know for sure yet, but one can only hope. :)
      Yeah, I hope so too.  I'm getting sick and tired of the creators pulling this whole once every seven episodes bull-s##t they've been doing for Miwa.

      Same thing

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      DPfanboy wrote:
      So since this whole "City at War" arc has Miwa play a big role, (I never read the comics), does that means Miwa will become a permanent character on this show, and she'll make an appearance in every episode from now on?
      Don't know for sure yet, but one can only hope. :)
      Yeah, I hope so too.  I'm getting sick and tired of the creators pulling this whole once every seven episodes bull-s##t they've been doing for Miwa.
      Same thing

      Yeah and she's not one of those characters that you wish you saw more of and when they are in almost every episode it becomes boring to see them. At least for me, it would be awesome for her to be permanent :)

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    • I think the bad Karai plot writing is a symptom of a larger problem.

      See, recently I decided to compile a private collection of video clips for "best of Raphael". For season one, I gathered 51 minutes 2 seconds of clips. For season two, I gathered 36 minutes 15 seconds of clips. For season three, I gathered only 5 minutes 20 seconds of clips, and sifting through Raph scenes to find good moments was a painful exercise in subjecting myself to bland characterization, wooden dialogue and phoned-in motivation. He and all the characters have become all the more one-dimensional.

      So, the problem as I see it is, it's not that they're avoiding writing about Karai for any specific reason—they're avoiding writing about Karai because they just plain don't care anymore. The show has become great—if you're a one-dimensional character. But it no longer has the time or patience for characters with complex personalities and motivations.

      And because of the fleeting demographic rule—that the average viewer reliably forgets plot and story details older than two years—they can actually begin completely rewriting Karai or eventually even dropping her altogether and the core profitable target audience won't even care. Many of us as fans who care enough to go online and discuss it, may not be that thoughtless, but the entertainment industry has reliably and lucratively banked on rules of thumb like these for decades, meaning that yes, most viewers really can be that thoughtless.

      Of course, this is a very cynical take on the matter. I still wait for the show's producers to eventually prove me wrong and demonstrate that they can make a really good show again. They just haven't proven me wrong in a good while now.

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    • Now that the TURTLES IN SPACE thing is over hopefully they will FINALLY catch up with Miwa aka Karai before shredder does! Especially since she coughed up that little mind control worm!

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    • I wish the turtles would finally be allowed to grow up and become recognized as young adults.

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    • A few years back, they had a topic on here where the actors and (maybe) the other staff, answered questions and stuff like that. That's all well and good but it was during a season where no one had any problems with it (the show). I think it would do them some good to do that again and actually see commemts like Gilgameshkun's and other people (myself included) who think this show is going downhill fast. Maybe they should just do what the game company, Valve has done with TF2 (Team Fortress 2). They basically handed the reins over to the community and they even include community projects as actual updates in the game! They also ACTUALLY listen to the community and make changes when needed. I know TF2 is a game and TMNT is a show so its very different, but I think they could gain some fans back, keep fans, and maybe even gain new ones if they ACTUALLY started to listen to their fans. Of course we won't get every character we ask for or every storyline, but maybe they could fix the things that makes the show less enjoyable than the first 2 seasons.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      I wish the turtles would finally be allowed to grow up and become recognized as young adults.

      To a point. Of course they are going to have nice, long, lives but maybe have like 20 years old be the max (or something like that). We don't want it to become MAMNT= Middle Aged Mutant Ninja Turtles (minus Splinter because he died of old age). Doesn't have the same good ring to it. Though I do kind of see what you mean. The episode in I think 2007 I can't remember what it's called but they were all seperated and each in a different reality. In the one where Donnie went to it was their future in about 20 years or so. So they were about thirty. They didn't look too bad, age-wise. But I don't think we should have them get too old that they can't even be considered TMNT anymore (well you know what I mean XD)

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    • I disagree. TMNT is about growing up and aging as a family, and dealing with and accepting life changes as they come. Everyone dies eventually. Besides, Splinter is still 55-58 years old and in extremely good health and physical fitness; if nothing else kills him, this version of him could live to 100.

      Also, "TMNT" can stand for:

      • Twentysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles
      • Thirtysomething Mutant Ninja Turtles
      • The Mutant Ninja Turtles

      The acronym still fits.

      It's a disservice to force the characters not to age past a point. It's not just about growing up into adulthood after all—it's the entire package of life. If a story refuses to let the characters age and goes on forever like that, it might as well be cancelled at a dignified point so as not to continue on as a zombie like the 1987 TV series did.

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    • You see, there's another reason I want the turtles to grow into adulthood—so that younger characters can have a chance to grow up too. I mean, the only incarnations that have Shadow Jones are Mirage, Image and MNT Gaiden. I always liked her character, and it's the biggest reason I want the six younger main characters to have a good opportunity to settle down and to have and/or raise children. Childhood has to end eventually, but that doesn't mean there can't be younger children who have a "Grandfather Splinter." And Casey needs to find his Gabe. :)

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    • I don't know if Gabriel would make an appearance in the show, my guess is if we actually get a flashforward/ Epilogue episode I would say we might see Casey and April with a daughter named Shadow. Or if we do a turtles visit their future selves styled episode like the 80's or Archie comics. If we did we might see Leo and Karai leading ninja clan, Raphael a space freedom fighter with Mona Lisa, Donatello as scientist, Mikey either being a martial arts/ Action movie star. April and Casey become a couple like the comics, Casey probably becomes a vigilante or runs is own neighborhood watch. I can't think much for this version of April because hasn't really expressed interest in science like her other counterparts, nor has shown interest in being a reporter.

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    • KaijuHero:

      If Y'Gythgba appears in another episode, I am throwing that episode straight in the garbage. Her fast and shallow romance with Raphael is a monument to everything that has gone horrifically wrong with this show's writing.

      Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if they brought her back as a character with zero mutual affection with Raph. I mean, they've done that before—remember all the complicated romantic tension Raph and Slash used to have together and how abruptly all that vanished without a trace in season 3? If good writing can be so unceremoniously deleted, then it should be easy to delete bad writing. :)

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    • Raph had a cool scene with slash in earths last stand, and he cried when they were hugging splinter

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    • I'm not saying Raph doesn't have any good moments anymore. I'm saying that, since sometime early in season 3, his good moments have been too few and too far apart, and the rest of his moments are either really, really dull or really, really bad. In earlier seasons, good Raph moments were plentiful.

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    • Oh, I've been reading the forums and you've popped up a lot and I've been thinking that you've been saying he hasn't had any. Because whenever I watch them now, I always see the moments, and I wondered why you'd said that. My bad. Also, when they do show em, they are good as they make me smile and love Raph even more! So idk I don't think his scenes are bad?

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    • See, Raph has suffered a personality change to the detriment of his character development.

      His sarcasm and catty remarks? All but gone.

      His dialogue with other characters? Began to decline during the last one-third of season 2, and has been painfully sterile since season 3.

      His heavily gaydar-tripping emotional attachment to Slash? Played very strongly during season 2 with the apparent promise of more to come, but very conspicuously absent in season 3 except for one brief isolated moment in Clash of the Mutanimals. I'd been waiting the entire first half of season 1 just to see their shared plot continue to develop, and was instead greeted with plot crickets.

      His friendly rivalry with April? Hasn't appeared since Within the Woods. His verbal catfighting with Karai hasn't appeared since The Wrath of Tiger Claw, but that's partly understandable with Karai's own storyline also stagnating quite terribly.

      His keen feminine intuition and tomboy big sister instinct? Hasn't shown up since A Foot Too Big. He used to have such sage insight about women while simultaneously demonstrating such a noticeable lack of interest in women.

      His depth and motivation as a character in general? Dried up and blown away since Buried Secrets, but could be seen to be suffering as far back as Newtralized! where his friendship with Casey felt forced and devoid of compelling friendship chemistry. Casey is a much better foil for Donnie anyway, but that particular love triangle with April has its own stagnation problems.

      Now you have to wait several episodes at a time before Raph has one even halfway decent moment, and scanning through the rest of his scenes to find good moments is like watching paint dry. Where he used to be such a catty bitch and we loved him for it, now he's just an unsympathetic douchebag who comes to deserve all the criticism he gets. He used to be one of the most fun and interesting characters, and now he's hardly ever fun or interesting at all. And when they try to make him interesting anymore, it's often really, really cringeworthily character-derailing, like every one of his scenes with Y'Gythgba.

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    • Well, this is kind of a problem, but how is he gay? and also is there anyway to contact Nick? So maybe we can tell them to improve this in their plots? I can try tweeting them a bunch? Have you tried to contact them, as they may have not intended him to be gay. just a thought

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    • If it had been all just a coincidence, it would be one of the biggest coincidences ever in television writing. See User:Gilgameshkun/GIFs/Blips (2012 TV series), where I've written an entire essay with a whole gallery of examples annotated with my commentary. It's easier than just rehashing every detail in every thread where the topic comes up. That page covers six separate characters—Bebop, Leatherhead, Michelangelo, Raphael, Rocksteady and Slash.

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    • Anyway, I don't wish to monopolize this thread with that topic. Let's move on.

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    • Just real quick Nick will Not accept fan ideas due to copyright issues and problems that would occur. No tv show will do the sane for those reasons, they aren't even allowed to look up fan fics as long as it can be helped.

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    • O that sucks
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    • Lets just all become producers then xDDD

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    • Will there be another series after this one? like more dark?

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    • Bennieee wrote:
      Will there be another series after this one? like more dark?

      Lol there will ALWAYS be a series of TMNT! Are you kidding? XD let's hope not a darker series, I don't want this show to be even MORE like the show Once Upon A Time on abc!

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    • There is No official word if there will be another series after this or not. And considering this show isn't even over there wont be any discussion for quite some time.

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    • But I like more serious, mature, drama-oriented TMNT. :( We need more TMNT TV and film like this:

      And forget NickToons. Make it TV-14 and air it on CBS, the CW or possibly TeenNick. It's like we're cursed to have all TMNT TV and film designed to appeal first and foremost to children and to childhood nostalgics. I like my mature TMNT comics, and TMNT video needs to grow up and not just grow older.

      There's still room for plenty of lighthearted and witty moments too. Just don't turn main characters into 24/7 caricatures.

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    • They should do what DC does, and make a bunch of made for adults animated movies.

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    • With Viacom now very much exploiting the algorithm of easy profitability over literary and artistic value when it comes to TMNT, we may never see those good mature TV and films.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      With Viacom now very much exploiting the algorithm of easy profitability over literary and artistic value when it comes to TMNT, we may never see those good mature TV and films.

      Don't you worry, like in the past it'll become unprofitable again, so maybe Time Warner will by it next...wait, never mind, I don't want that to happen. It was stupid enough how they made the Riddler a racoon as a Sly Cooper joke. Maybe Marvel, if they make kids shows it'll stink, but if it goes Netflix it'll be RAD! Marvel is weird that way.

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    • I don't want to wait until I'm 60 to see a good, well-written, mature TMNT TV show or film. XD

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    • I waited ten years for a bloody Luigi's Mansion sequel, I can wait a while.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      But I like more serious, mature, drama-oriented TMNT. :( We need more TMNT TV and film like this:

      And forget NickToons. Make it TV-14 and air it on CBS, the CW or possibly TeenNick. It's like we're cursed to have all TMNT TV and film designed to appeal first and foremost to children and to childhood nostalgics. I like my mature TMNT comics, and TMNT video needs to grow up and not just grow older.

      There's still room for plenty of lighthearted and witty moments too. Just don't turn main characters into 24/7 caricatures.

      I hear ya, but like I said I just don't want it turning into Once Upon A Time. First few seasons of that show were awesome but then it got TOO dramatic and they started having the worst things you could do to someone (a whole lot worse than just killing them) in that show, happen to characters that anyone would be furious that they would do something to (like the most innocent characters of all time). If anyone here knows this show,they know what I mean.

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    • I am all about balance myself, between all themes.

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    • To be fair, I've never seen Once Upon A Time.

      But some pretty terrible things can happen to TMNT characters in adult comics. Mirage Splinter ended up really having to eat other rats to survive until he could escape his confinement. And then there's all the psychological damage inflicted on some of the characters in MNT Gaiden. Or IDW TMNT for that matter.

      Most stories are certainly not that grimdark all the time, but considering what inherently dangerous lives characters like those live, they're bound to have a few traumatic experiences now and then. As Yoshimickster said, balance is important.

      Actually, come to think of it, the only TMNT story I can think of that doesn't even pretend to balance out the bad stuff that happens, is Bodycount. I still haven't been able to finish reading that. It's just far, far too graphic. Kevin Eastman might be able to write some good action sequences, but he needs to be counterbalanced by another creator, or else the result can be stuff like Bodycount.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1: Also, if you're really put off by dark fairy tales, don't read Grimms' Fairy Tales. Those stories are usually more violent and brutal than their disneyfied adaptations.

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    • Hey I just watched Tmnt blast from the past, and that had heaps of character develpment from Raph, watch it and lemme know what you think?

      Spoilers It was so like Raph ti help the dinosaur, and that he felt sorry for it, then at the end when they were saying goodbye, he hid his tear from his brothers showing that he doesn't want them to know how much he cares for things xD Spoilers end

      It was a boss movie and does anyone know id the ending scene will have anything to do with city at war 2012? like that could be the future?

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    • Tmnt blast from the past doesn't count, it is non canon and isnt part of the main storyline at all. It's a small stand alone special made specifically for the youngest of viewers and to sell blast from the past toys. Again it's non canon and doesn't count.

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    • Ahh, aight

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    • any news yet?

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    • While the new film is being actively promoted, I doubt there will be any word on the TV show until they're done milking the film for all its worth.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      While the new film is being actively promoted, I doubt there will be any word on the TV show until they're done milking the film for all its worth.

      x mumbles under breath about how much I hate waiting x

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    • xD the movie comes out next week, so we should be good in a few weeks. I'm so pumped. TMNT is boss as heck. 

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    • Wong, the movie came out yesterday

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    • 36% on Rotten Tomatoes, to the surprise of no one. Well, scratch that, I'm sure there were people who expected it to be worse than the previous film's 22%.

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    • All of the reviewers who liked the film say it's like watching a long episode of the 80's cartoon. I was hoping it would be at least another mindless action flick to watch with my buddies, but now I won't even go to watch it. The producers were smart, appeal to the 80's fans and you'll make money.

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    • Appeal too heavily to the 1987 TV series and what you produce will be crap. Honestly, that show wasn't even that good when it was new. Save us from the soulless drivel that Murakami-Wolf-Swenson has wrought that continues to rise from the grave like an undead horse.

      Okay, well it wasn't a total disaster. They managed to fork Archie TMNT out of it and turn its continuity into something relatively decent to read. That's in no small part thanks to Mirage writers like Stephen Murphy, Ryan Brown and Dan Berger helping out.

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    • The movie was so good, i loved it! Way better than the first

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    • Well, something good better come out of this if they're really gonna make us wait till September.

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    • Yeah it will be good, they got dis

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well, something good better come out of this if they're really gonna make us wait till September.

      Do we have an actual date yet or are you just guessing?

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well, something good better come out of this if they're really gonna make us wait till September.
      Do we have an actual date yet or are you just guessing?

      Well, no, I don't have an actual date yet, but I saw a post on Brandon Auman's instagram that he said it would be September, unless he's wrong too.

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    • ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well, something good better come out of this if they're really gonna make us wait till September.
      Do we have an actual date yet or are you just guessing?
      Well, no, I don't have an actual date yet, but I saw a post on Brandon Auman's instagram that he said it would be September, unless he's wrong too.

      Oh...sorry I'm just missing Miwa and Splinter.

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    • MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      MiwandSplinterfan1 wrote:
      ChristopherRedfield246 wrote:
      Well, something good better come out of this if they're really gonna make us wait till September.
      Do we have an actual date yet or are you just guessing?
      Well, no, I don't have an actual date yet, but I saw a post on Brandon Auman's instagram that he said it would be September, unless he's wrong too.
      Oh...sorry I'm just missing Miwa and Splinter.

      I miss them too, whatever Nickelodeon's reasons for making us wait that long better be worth the wait.

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    • Yep I am so hypeddd

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