Talk:Turtles Forever

The 1990 movie and 2007 movie

I'm trying to erase a portion of this page that reads "The 2007 movie was shown as separate to the live action universe, possibly suggesting that the 2007 movie is a different universe altogether. However, evidence in that movie (namely, Splinter's miniature shrine seen at the end) suggests otherwise." But someone keeps putting it back up.

I won't argue whether those two movies are the same universe or not, but I will say that just because both movies were represented does not necessarily indicate that they are different universes. Look at the drawings by Jim Lawson, Dan Berger, Eric Talbot, Peter Laird, Michael Dooney and such... they all look different but they still inhabit the same universe

Mr.9 03:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Multiverse

I think this article needs to be expanded, and a article about the multiverse this episode created needs a seperate page. (Animedude 08:23, May 14, 2010 (UTC))

The silliness of the 87 gang

Did anyone else noticed the exaggeration of the silly side of the Characters of the 1987 TMNT? I recall Shredder being more intimidating during most of the series. Ztyran 04:55, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, they were overly silly. But hey, compared to the new turtles, the old series WAS kind of silly. But that never stopped me from liking it. The 1987 Turtles were some of my childhood heroes. As for Shredder, he did have his moments. But then there were times he and Krang were even sillier than the turtles. And as for Krang being in Secret Origins 3, perhaps that was a different Utrom (names do get reused in cultures) and he was not a counterpart to the 1987 Krang. Has anyone thought about that?

SSanatobaJR-Guest 207.119.147.98 08:53, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I agree, the name Krang was clearly just a nod to the 1987 series and was not meant to be the same character. I do think it's an interesting point about the continuity of plot lines from the 3 live-action movies to the "TMNT" CGI-animated movie. I agree, I think they were clearly meant to be the same universe, but the animators, writers, and producers clearly saw an opportunity here to promote DVD sales of all four movies.

Was anyone else COMPLETELY satisfied by the closing with the Leonardo narration of the Mirage characters? I mean it was just amazing, the perfect close. I will say, though, that I was a little disappointed at the new 1987 Leonardo's voice. Ugh... it was distractingly awful. I think they realized this as they seemed to limit his dialogue a bit...

I was very dissapointed in the movie. They made the 87 gang so silly it was distracting and sad. Why did they have to do that? They also made the 87 shredder and krang even worse, very useless to the story. It was also sad how they had the Technodrome be weak, and that it had to be upgraded with utrom tech, and became something completely different from what it really is. They also said how the dimension x tech is primitive, and the utrom tech is so much better, when in the original show the dimension x tech was very good. Especially in the last two seasons of the 87 series. --Preator 18:05, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

References/Trivia

A lot of the references and trivia at the bottom of the article really seem like grasping at straws, and a lot of it seems to have been shed away just on the point of pure inaccuracy.

One point I thought I'd already addressed, is 2K3 Donatello's finding a portal-in-a-stick silly being a reference to the time travel device in the third movie. This makes absolutely no sense, considering that he and his brothers have seen what that exact object (or rather, what Movie 3's device was based on) firsthand themselves. The S 17:10, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Timeline/Continuity

Aside from the overplayed sillyness of the Murakami-Wolf-Swenson series characters, another thing that they should have paid attention to was the continuity of that series. My main question is "when (what year) were those Turtles and their Shredder and Krang pulled from?". At the end of Season 7, the Technodrome was permenently grounded in Dimension X. At the beginning of Season 8, Shredder destroyed the Channel 6 building and April later became a freelance reporter (and stopped wearing the yellow jumpsuit). In the final episode of the series, Krang's android body was destroyed. If the 1987 Turtles were pulled from the present of that universe, how were all of these things resolved? Did Burne Thompson have a new Channel 6 building constructed and give April her job back. Did the Technodrome get repaired and returned to Earth? Did Krang have a new android body constructed (he had trouble getting Shredder to have it built for him the first time)?

If the Turtles and everything else from that universe were pulled from the past then returned to the same time period then there would be a major change in the timeline of that series as now Shredder and Krang have a far superior Technodrome to the one Ch'rell took from them.

Also, about when does this film take place in the 2003 series (as in between what episodes)?

Vern4760 20:32, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Well Vern, if you watch the old episode "Once Upon a Time Machine" you'll see that April eventually does get her job back and that the Turtles have defeated Shredder and Krang in the future. This is why I believe Turtles Forever takes place after season 10. But if the "Fred Wolf" turtles got pulled out of any where from seasons 3-7 it simply created another "branch universe" that didn't tie in with the old cartoon.

And this takes place after "Wedding Bells and Bytes" of the 2003 series.

Mr.9 03:34, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

General Discontent

I was rather saddened to see the portrayal of the '87 turtles. Granted, they were a bit more lighthearted about things than the '03 turtles, but they weren't worse fighters because they were censored more back in the 80-90s. They also went overboard with the going to get pizza during a crisis thing. I seem to recall them ENDING shows with going to get pizza, rather than dropping everything in the middle while there's clear and present danger to go have a slice. Also, if the Utrom technology is so vastly superior to Dimension X technology, why does it seem that Utrom Shredder only just now considered the possibility of inter-dimensional travel? And while I'm not a huge follower of the newer series, don't you think Krang would've just backhanded Karai if he was standing there in his battle body, rather than him and Shredder cowering and simpering? Lotus gave the turtles a shellacking back in the old series, but that doesn't mean she could smack around Krang. Plus, what's with the dumpy looking April? Maybe it's more "politically correct" to not have her with the same physique she had before, but '03 April appears to have an almost anime build, so? The '87 TMNT series made billions between the cartoons and the toys, why turn around and make it look weak, downright pathetic? And utter disappointment with 4Kids' inability to hire "union" voices. I hope Cam Clarke, Rob Paulsen, Townsend Coleman, Barry Gordon, Pat Fraley, and James Avery (or William E. Martin, if Mr. Avery isn't interested) get together with Nickelodeon for the production of the new series. I miss their voices.

It's not all bad though, the things I really loved about this movie were '87 Donatello's lucky science, the fact that the '87 turtles got to make an impact right near the end (for a moment anyhow), and the wonderful bungling of Bebop and Rocksteady, the resolution of which was delightfully obvious.

64.123.118.19 09:22, May 27, 2010 (UTC)