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  • Hey there! Just checking in to see how things are going. Is there anything I can help with? Also just read this article showing new episodes coming next month! --Spongebob456 talk@fandom 16:17, March 30, 2020 (UTC)

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    • Oh that somehow slipped under my radar! That's good! Nah, nothing at the moment. Hope you're staying safe!

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    • Hopefully the new episodes will help those who have to stay at home given current events. Hope you're staying safe too! As always, feel free to drop me a message if I can help with anything. :) --Spongebob456 talk@fandom 17:56, March 31, 2020 (UTC)

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  • Same as where "turtle lair" was renamed "lair" where applicable, since as far as I could remember only the 1987 TV series called it "the Turtle Lair."

    I know that, in common informal public parlance (especially in association with the 1987 series), they have often been referred to as "Ninja Turtles." "Watching Ninja Turtles." "Playing Ninja Turtles." Etc. The thing is, while this phrase is not completely unknown in-story, in most continuities they're usually simply called "the Turtles." When "the Ninja Turtles" is so seldom actually used in-story, it always feels rather awkward/artificial to see it formally phrased as such in article text, to the point that I often find myself replacing it with "the Turtles." Even "the TMNT" or "the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" is more common a phrase than "the Ninja Turtles," but the four-word term is usually used in at least a somewhat humorous or self-parodying manner as a too-obvious title drop, and "the TMNT" is seldom used outside solicit text, etc.

    I can't say for certain for every continuity whether "the Turtles" is used more regularly than "the Ninja Turtles," but it almost certainly seems true, at the very least, for Mirage, IDW and maybe the 2012 TV series. I suppose it also helps that, as I've been far more of a TMNT comics reader than anything else, I always tend to phrase it like "There was a new issue of Turtles, and..."

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    • I feel like this is something that is up to the specific article writer's personal preference and not something necessary to become a standard. If you want, you can make like [[Turtles (Mirage)]] or [[The Turtles (Mirage)]] as a redirect to Ninja Turtles (Mirage) so that you don't have to do {{Miragelink|Ninja Turtles|The Turtles}} or something.

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  • Hello. I had some questions for a long time and decided to ask. And yes, I remember that you don’t want to do some things like Marvelpedia, but I’m afraid I cannot do without comparison.
    1) Character naming. Maybe it would be better if every character would have universe indication in the pages's name? Just look to the Bishop. If people didn't read IDW comics, they might think that Jonathan Bishop is Disambiguation page of Bishop . If in the name of each character there will be an indication of the universe, it will be better for users and make work easier for creating new disambiguation page (like it was with Sterns ).
    2) Comics naming. I believe the current situation with the names is little bit confusing. I mean, it's hard to find certain comic issue, if you didn't know its name. Maybe it is used on Marvel/DC wiki but i think most users search Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Vol 1 1 istead The Turtles' Origin is Told. I understand if user searching TV episode name instead of "TV show Season 1 1", but I can't agree in this case.

    3) Volume list. Another question about comics. Maybe be better, if comics volume list looked like Marvel/DC wiki? For example, i made this in russian wiki.

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    • Hi,

      I'd been thinking about walking back a lot about the DC/Marvel comparision because a lot of it doesn't make sense to do here, and other stuff, I guess we'd do if people really wanted, but I think is dumb as shell., personally.

      1) I am absolutely for this.

      2) The way we have it now is so that stories are linked to, as some are individually reprinted and.or stretch across several books. Also, in pretty much every case, that should redirect to the named article, so Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles issue 1 (Mirage) redirects to The Turtles' Origin is Told. That said, the more redirects we have to let people find/link to what they want, the better.

      3) That looks really nice and I think if we have enough images to run with that, we could.

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    • Some of the redirects could stand to be filled in where they're lacking. Also, issues and stories aren't always the same article because an issue can contain more than one story, such as a main story and a backup story.

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  • In this edit, User:Original TMNT Cartoon Fan raises a good point—sometimes "city" is not the most appropriate term for a populated place. What do you think we should do? Create separate categories for such populated places by scale? Or just rename Category:Cities to something more all-encompassing of localized populated places?

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    • Tacoma.

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    • I see.

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  • Category:Albino characters. Would include:

    Good idea or bad idea?


    In other thoughts, I've been thinking of renaming Category:Eco-terrorists to Category:Environmental vigilantes, not just because "eco-terrorist" is a loaded term, but because there is no Category:Terrorists and any particular character's inclusion in that category could be considered contentious as it is an equally loaded term. I mean, we could create Category:Terrorists, as there are a few characters who very much fit that label (C.R.A.P. from Mirage, Old Hob and Man Ray with the mutagen bomb, etc.), but so many other potential examples could be considered a topic of debate or worse. It's worth noting that, while "terrorist" was already a somewhat loaded term back in the 1990s and earlier but with an otherwise fairly clearly-understood definition, it became vastly more loaded a term after 2001. However, if we come up with clearly-defined parameters for inclusion in these categories (especially those derived from mainstream scholarly definitions) and moderate them accordingly, it might not be any big deal at all.

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    • Yeah, I'm cool with albino characters. Not sold on changing eco-terrorists right at the moment... I know the old "one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter" but I feel like there could be a very clear distinction, especially in these works of fiction, and especially with the clarification on the Category description.

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  • Hi, wasn't sure if you saw my belated response to your comment regarding "Truth, Justice and What?", but I wanted to put this here since I'm seeing a couple users adding screenshots to an episode gallery made here.

    To answer your question about the episode being licensed by Nickelodeon, I'm not entirely sure if it is, but Teen Titans Go is a Cartoon Network series (I've only watched the first several episodes before I decided to stop watching), which means that they're clearly from two different broadcast networks. I'm also certain it's more of a parody-crossover thing rather than a legitimate one, considering how from my understanding, TTG is already a parody of the original 2003 cartoon, and also pokes fun on other things in popular culture.

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    • I see. I am familiar with the show but never saw the episode in question. I wasn't sure if it was official since DC has done crossovers with TMNT in the past of course. From what I've read recently, they're not even called Ninja Turtles in the show, but instead "Cool Turtle Dudes."

      I would present the question if we even need to track the episode as far with a full article rather than the easter eggs/reference page if it's not an official crossover.

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    • Okay, I see. I haven't seen the episode either, but I notice that some users are treating the page and gallery as if it's an episode from any of the TMNT shows. I just wasn't sure if that's something allowed on this wiki.

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  • I've been thinking that these could be useful new categories. It builds on the consentual vs. unconsentual division of human-born mutants and animal=born mutants, but since the mutagen bomb victims, this is no longer so clear-cut since all those humans mutated deliberately and involuntarily. And I realized this distinction actually varies for all sorts of characters.

    • Voluntary mutants: Necessarily a subcategory of Deliberate mutants. Characters (usually human) who consented to mutation. Examples include Genealdo, Maxence, Hun (IDW) and Dreadmon (IDW). A voluntary mutant also deals with less baggage of having mutation imposed on them, because they went into it willingly.
    • Involuntary mutants: Characters who were mutated without their consent. These have usually been animals (who ordinarily cannot give consent), but the mutagen bomb victims also certainly count. Most versions of Splinter and the Turtles fall in this category, and certainly Old Hob (IDW) as well. These mutants may have mental baggage over their change, even if they were previously non-sentient animals (as is true in the case of Mondo Gecko (IDW) and Seymour Gutz (IDW)). It is also outright stated that Alopex's shelter is not just a place to feed the hungry or shelter the homeless, but a space for mutants to cope with their change if they haven't already. That mental health aspect is realistic and fascinating, and...notable.
    • Deliberate mutants: Mutants who were mutated intentionally, either through choice, or a deliberate act, particularly in a laboratory. These mutants can have baggage, but it also depends on the benevolent of their mutator. For instance, Leatherhead (Mirage) is a deliberate involuntary mutant, but he is loved familially by Xeinos and respected by the Utroms around him, and does not curse his mutation, considering himself part alligator, part human, and culturally Utrom.
    • Accidental mutants: Necessarily a subcategory of Involuntary mutants. These mutations were unplanned, with negligence involved at the most.

    As for the existing categories:

    • Animal-born mutants: Earlier in the IDW continuity, this implied a certain lack of privilege, given it was something that animals had forced on them when they didn't have the capacity to choose.
    • Human-born mutants: Implies a certain privilege, justified or not, and a major point of Hob's prejudice and resentment. But by mutating thousands of humans against their will, at least in the context of the story, he rendered the animal-born and human-born distinction far more moot than it ever was before.

    As a matter of sociology, these are all fascinating distinctions. But there's at least one grey area:

    • Did Spike (2012 TV series) mutate voluntarily or involuntary? Was it accidental or deliberate? The spilling of the canister was accidental, but the story seemingly implied that Spike may have seized the opportunity to join Raphael's world, as also evidenced by Slash's recollection of distinct thoughts and feelings (and even ninja training) from before he mutated. If you think Spike was not capable of deciding such a thing, this is involuntary and accidental. If you think Spike did it on purpose, it was both voluntary and deliberate. If there is serious doubt about which, he could be left out of all of these categories, though I'm inclined to lean towards it being voluntary and deliberate as something he chose. He wouldn't be the first mutant to show unusual intelligence or sentience as a non-mutant animal, as was also true of Hamato Splinter (Mirage) and Splinter (IDW). But neither Splinter was mutated deliberately or voluntarily.

    All that said, I would understand if you would consider this a chore to implement. I wouldn't blame you. It's also not absolutely essential, like human-born mutants or animal-born mutants, that these categories be implemented at all. I just thought that it would complement characters with that bit of information that helps inform their character. If you have any thoughts on this, I look forward to hearing them eventually.

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    • What is a "mutate" (noun) and what differentiates it from a "mutant"? A mutant is already someone or something that mutated.

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    • Nothing other than it sounds less unwieldy. I'm not a fan of overly verbose or awkward categories and titles.

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  • I've been thinking about this for a while, and now seems as good a time as any to bring it up. I agree that 250px is a good conventional size for most thumbnails, particularly of portraits of individual characters and individual objects. But this size becomes uncomfortably tiny (especially on my 1920x1080 monitor) for scenery views, group shots, etc., where individual subjects and features are necessarily smaller parts of the picture. That's why, for these kinds of images, I've unilaterally set most of these thumbnail sizes to 400px instead. In Turtlepedia's standard layout, it still leaves ample room for lede text to flow adjacent to the thumbnail. Note that these apply to illustrative thumbnails accompanying text and infoboxes, not to gallery sections themselves. Additionally, particularly expansive panoramic views that are much wider than they are tall (and these are not super-common), when used as illustrative thumbnails, could conceivably be set upwards of 600px wide and maybe even occupy their own lines, only briefly interrupting text.

    Now, this works when there isn't a disagreement or edit conflict, but considering I've been doing the 400px thing without official sanction, I think it only reasonable that I raise the issue and, perhaps, propose it be elevated to a specifically permissible guideline, reliant on how much the image would suffer if shrunk to 250px or smaller.

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  • I've been thinking. Remember when there was that debate over whether articles like New Zealand had a place on Turtlepedia? I've been thinking that we can largely sidestep that issue by maintaining a category of soft redirects to Wikipedia. Article placeholders with a notification and link to the topic on Wikipedia, until such time as the topic is considered notable enough for more direct description on Turtlepedia. This could enable the creation of links to barely-referenced TMNT topics on Turtlepedia but whose content is better served by redirecting to Wikipedia.

    Why did I think about this now? Because of the Zones of Control article I just wrote. It's full of red links, as they all link to nonexistent articles on Turtlepedia, but most of them, for the time being, may be better served with links to Wikipedia. And yet their notability on Turtlepedia is not zero, as many of them are referenced locations, briefly named settings, implied settings, and so forth. With the Zones of Control maps, all that geography corresponds to real locations in Manhattan. And while many TMNT stories have less specific Manhattan (or even just New York City) settings, there have been many scenes that can be inferred to take place in a location that is otherwise not specifically mentioned. I realized this when I created the Union Square Park article, because even though the location is not specifically named in-story, it is pinpointed on the maps at that location, and an extremely important plot event happens right there. Honestly, with a geography as famous as Manhattan's, well-studied people were going to notice these things as soon as maps as relatively detailed as these became involved.

    So I'm thinking, for the most part these soft redirects could just direct a user to the Wikipedia article, but they could also include brief mentions of how the location is referenced, even obliquely, in TMNT lore.

    There are some other (currently red link) articles that could be created that are more than just soft redirects, like Herald Square, as it's specifically mentioned in the 2012 TV series as the location under which Victor Falco sheltered in an abandoned utility junction. I believe there's also already an article for Tribeca, because it was specifically mentioned in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/Ghostbusters as being the location of the Firehouse, and that the Turtles were already familiar with the neighborhood's geography.

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    • So, let's go ahead and make it a template. I can start with a rudimentary design that can be prettified as you see fit.

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    • All right, Template:Wikipedia redirect is created. It's...very rough and perhaps not greatly worded. I'm a tech, but not always great at knowing how to word notice templates.

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  • Hey, remember the user who keeps spamming the comments and being rude to other users? Well, they made other accounts here and are back. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with this situation. It's stupid, ridiculous, and they've been banned across FANDOM for a reason. I blocked one of their accounts, but they came back again. I'm tired of having to deal with this user knowing what they're doing is against the guidelines to not only Turtlepedia, but to other wikis.

    I'm sorry if I'm writing all this out to you. I feel like every admin here should know what's going on.

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    • Unfortunately if they found a way to keep making new accounts, we can't do much other than keep blocking the new ones. We've had quite a few people perform this nonsense before.

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    • Hopefully, this user will learn this lesson on why he was banned in the first place... But nope.

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