So, I noticed your response to Hulk10's views on human/mutant relationships (I'm still following that thread in case Brittany Brasch responds about "TMNT 2012 is coming back"). It doesn't seem like he took it well. And heck, even told Sugillita about it like you did something wrong.
That forum thread you reminded that user to be nice on seems to have a lot of people who for some reason are convinced that the new Rise of the TMNT is cancelled..... Its hard to keep being polite to them.
Sometimes people aren't interested in evidence from you or anyone else. Sometimes they just want to vent and have their own opinions affirmed. She's perfectly allowed to believe what she wants to believe, but she shouldn't be disrespectful to others.
And when evidence does count, it does help when people can back up their claims with reliable sources. I responded in that thread on the subject of Rise of the TMNT, and provided a news article from last month.
As for the 2012 TV series, there may always be true believers. For example, I never wanted to believe Samurai Jack was cancelled, and only 13 years later it got a fifth season and I was proven right. :) (In all seriousness, it was silently cancelled after its fourth season and we were waiting indefinitely for a show that easily might have never been renewed again.)
This is just me being curious, because I can't tell the difference in the page before and after. Other than the Teen tophat and Wikifying Japanese that I forgot, the two iterations of the page are identical. I've seen a few edits like this (not just yours), and it just seems... weird. Like it's not even really for maintenance from what I can tell. If it weren't for the additional edits mentioned above, it would feel like an edit made just to get badge points.
Please do enlighten me because I've been wondering this for a while and finally have enough caffeine in me tonight to actually follow through on asking.
But sometimes, as a case-by-case judgment call, when a single template argument is made up of a list of named text separated by <br/> line breaks, it is actually less visually disruptive to the markup source to put them all one one line, where the <br/> tag separates the items of source text in a fashion more similar to that of a comma on one line, so that this:
I'm already a computer programmer knowledgeable in several programming languages, and how source code text is structured is an important consideration to ensure that the code remains readable in the future, whether to other programmers, or to myself when I revisit the code after a long time. The same is true of wiki markup. Even if an edit does not necessarily change the article's rendered appearance, these kinds of edits help keep the format tidy for other raw mode editors like (and including) myself.
The visual editor may be easy for casual or novice editors to use, but it can also alter the raw wiki markup in ways that are actually quite sloppy to try to read in raw mode. For some articles, these untidy artifacts accumulate to the point where the raw source can become a nightmare both to read and to maintain, and you may sometimes find me cleaning up an article with the edit message, "the visual editor is evil". If I'm doing truly elaborate edits, I'll use preview and other steps to test my code, but I never use the visual editor itself.
I get that the second word being capitalized was an issue. I also moved the things I put in there. I'm just curious why the category I made wasn't just renamed? Is there a reason for not doing a renaming that I'm not clear on?
I'm not 100% sure. I think it may be that categories cannot be renamed the same way articles can, but it's possible I'm wrong. Not that it matters much—there's very little information in the category page itself (description, parent category placements) to copy over.
We discussed the TMNTEntity Mirage Commics Continuity Timeline before. I know we can't make pages about that but if I wanted to compile something like it/strongly based on it in my blog do you know if that would be a violation? I figured I'd ask you but I can reach out to The S instead if you feel I aught to. (I know you aren't an admin but you are knowledgeable)
By the way, I do think there are some genuine glaring flaws in that list. I mean, yeah, some stories can't easily fit in a rigid order, and some have inconsistencies and plot holes compared to other stories, but you're not going to have a TMNT story about an internet MMORPG taking place in 1992, 1993ish.
Still, that Friday 13 could have itself been a fictional date. Sometimes story devices like that are used to make the story unmistakably fictional, such as The Simpsons taking place in a state that borders four states that are nowhere near each other.
Yeah. Though there is already debate about whether Nick burned off this episode to Nicktoons and aired it on a Tuesday without advance warning specifically to get it out there without a ton of soccer moms complaining. Now I'm worried Nick may plain not air the episode again if there's too much stink after the fact.
Also, I was actually kind of afraid my observations might not hold up, but this is actually a pretty damn gay episode. There's even a PDA or two I hadn't noticed the first time.
That edit you just reverted on the Warren and Hypno article? In the back of my mind I was afraid of that. Every time there's a gay moment on a general entertainment show, especially one targeting a younger audience, then like clockwork there are people who will nitpick every last detail to explain it away as practically anything else. They will let the Earth crash into the Sun before accepting a gay explanation. It can be like talking to a wall. This very thing happened after The Legend of Korra's finale back in 2014. I mean, the last scene of the last episode was pretty difficult to misunderstand, but there were still people arguing over it ceaselessly, such that it took the creators needing to specifically confirm it online to settle it.
Yeah, and I also know that it was an edit by you. After I saw the episode, all sighs pointed to Hypstone (as some folks on Tumblr call the two) being a thing. It wasn't really confirmed, but it does seem obvious that it's LGBTQ+. It took us three months for Nickelodeon to finally address that Splinter was Lou Jitsu (but I feel like they did the build-up in a way where it wasn't too blandly obvious. I kept making counter theories that Splinter might've been Lou's pet or something, but I still considered the obivous. LOL).
Heh, "Hypstone." Funny thing is, I correctly guessed where there might be a point of dispute, and that's when Warren Stone said "brother," and only because a lot of people take that term too literally all the time. Men frequently call each other "brother" or "bro" when they're not related and not in the same family, because they see themselves as part of a social brotherhood. I've known gay couples where men call each other "bro" as a term of endearment. When Warren said Hypno was his "brother," and was about to say something else ("He's my—"), I knew that was an expression of profound love between men. That is something that can exist among siblings, but it's no less true for "it's complicated." And yeah, it was obvious...they wouldn't have named this episode after a playground rhyme about romance, and dropped every other reference and easter egg, if they weren't deliberately trying to drive the point home.
This may sound strange, but the gayest moment in the episode, to me? Hypno taking Warren home, wanting to watch bad TV with him. So many of the other gay moments were tried and true stock tropes in storytelling, practically to the point of being cliché. But how often do cliché love stories celebrate the shared mundane? It seemed less significant that they watch the bad TV, and more significant that they did that together, likely at home, just as the two of themselves, with the implication that it's a profoundly comfortable and cherished situation to be in. Points if they watch that bad TV while eating a bowl of scorched microwave popcorn or from the same carton of Ben & Jerry's. Anyone can act like an epic romantic, but what are they going to do the rest of the time but live the ordinary moments of their lives and be really happy doing so?
Well, thank you, either way. I loathe the uphill struggle of trying to justify visibility to someone who may have a vested interest in LGBT people being invisible. I don't like getting in those debates anymore, because it's less about reason, and more about power.
I'm almost certain they put tomboy Ruby in a wedding gown and girly girl Sapphire in a wedding tux specifically to frustrate overseas censors who either cut scenes that imply two women are in love (British airing) or try to cast Ruby as male (various other countries). And the wedding scene and the fight after are too plot important to cut easily.
But The Legend of Korra is a rather interesting case, because the TV-Y7 show actually snuck in easter eggs for two whole seasons (half the series' entire length) before that final reveal. At first, for the first two seasons, Korra and Asami are romantic rivals who love the same man, but later on, after both have given up on him but still counting him as their friend, they grow closer to each other instead. Then the series proceeded with some sequel comics where they were more openly involved.
It has some fun characters and banter, like Bolin, Varrick, Eska and Prince Wu. It also follows up on previous Avatar: The Last Airbender continuity—it's a sequel series. It's probably best if you've seen that series first.
Arashi no Yoru ni is a 2005 anime film based on a series of children's books about a goat and a wolf who should be natural enemies, but instead they grow very close. Traditionally the goat's gender was never specifically revealed and most people assumed he was female, but both he and the wolf are portrayed as male in the film. The film was marketed to family audiences in Japan and Taiwan, and there are PG-type scenes of animal predation violence.
O Human Star is a hard science fiction webcomic about a brilliant roboticist who died abruptly and was brought back years later in an android body, and his younger assistant and romantic interest who survived and inherited him, and the younger imperfect android brain-clone of the same dead roboticist who effectively grew up as her own person. It has some gay characters and some transgender characters. Content oscillates between PG and occasional PG-13. (The most recent pages have huge spoilers, so if you read it, read it in order.)
Heh, I actually like Warren now. He no longer has powers (except regeneration), so he's more of a muggle now, but he's not alone either, so he has an opportunity to reinvent himself as a character. They both do, especially now that Draxum is their enemy.
I still can't really stand for him, but I'm learning to tolerate Warren more, and compared to his debut episode, he's not as bad. Also, every time I hear a character whose strongest trait is their narcissism and they continuously brag about themselves, I just roll my eyes and sigh in absolute annoyance. If they're tolerable, they're not as bad. To add to that, Donnie in this series does brag, but I think most of it is just the pride in his inventions. It's been a little while since I've watched certain episodes, but the only "egotistical" thing this Donnie has really done is that bust of himself.
Warren has just eaten a huge serving of humble pie, but if Hypno plays his magic cards right, then it won't be so bad for Warren because he'll feel loved. This may actually put a dent in Warren's narcissism, and that would be a welcome development.
I think, basically, if there isn't enough interest from other users to answer your questions at the moment, then they'll probably go unanswered. At that point, it's best to just let it go. Perhaps at a later date, another user will notice the question and answer it, but that's entirely up to them. Sometimes that's just how it is at a wiki, especially at a fan wiki with a limited number of active users. We're all fans editing or commenting in our spare time, just like you.
Oh. Sometimes I don't even know. Thing about Turtlepedia is that, as a wiki, it's a useful place for gathering and documenting relevant information, but there are times when it doesn't always function well as an open discussion forum. To use an analogy, we're here more as librarians than as library patrons or book club members. Of course, if you can think of something I haven't, you're welcome to try, within rules and reason.
Should the Archie comics really be under teen? Admitedly they're kind of hard to judge as they often touched upon real political topics in the later issue and did have stuff like Null trying to take the female mutanimals into a harem, but it also had a young audience for much of its run..
A thing to note is like the 87 series, most of the enemies were Robots even in the later issues, though alien creatures such as Malignoids did bleed.
I guess the main reason I'm asking this is the 2003 series doesn't get the T rating and that had stuff like Insane in the Membrane. This is the most violent panel in the Archie series, so perhaps it can help you decide?
It's not an easy call, and ultimately, we are not a ratings bureau. Enviromental justice is not a teen-level issue. It comes down not only to violence, but to unfiltered adult jokes (like the very unsubtly-named Vulvana) and implied adult intimate relationships (with Mezcaal naked in bed with her husband Raphael) and such. And though content like this is admittedly sparse in Archie, it's still there. Unlike the 1987 TV series that inspired it (which consistently targeted 7-year-olds year after year so they could help Playmates sell toys), the Archie continuity's content gradually matured as its readers aged, so that by the end, most of the readers were teenagers and young adults closer to the Mirage TMNT target audience. Also, the most violent and explicit panels in the Archie continuity are actually in Ninjara: Seed of Destruction, which was specifically for adults.
What you have to understand is, years ago, we on the wiki had some concerns that parents of younger children reading this wiki might complain about the kid-unfriendly stuff they can find here, which is why we adopted the content advisories in the first place—to keep the complaints off our back. And since so much TMNT content was never for children to begin with, it helped for the advisories to sound friendly and not resemble badges of shame. But where a certain continuity is full of interconnected topics, some of which may be inappropriate for 7-year-olds, we habitually give every article for that continuity at least a minimum advisory.
As much as some TV episodes probably should be considered kid-unfriendly, it's still understood that, right or wrong, they virtually all secured TV-Y7 content ratings. And frankly...making value judgments about content suitability is not something we want to do or really should be doing. So we evaluate the bigger series instead of the individual episodes or issues.
I understand your reasoning for the T-rating is valid and like it.
Though personally I consider Ninjara: Seed of Destruction more of a spinoff, then a part of the Archie. Isn't that series why Alopex is used instead of Ninjara. I thought her creator had the rights to the character.
No, Viacom now owns Ninjara in full. While Seed of Destruction is unfinished, they would now need license from Viacom to continue it. And while it is a spinoff, it's still part of the wider Archie continuity. They coexist in the same universe.
I don't know about Sisyphus or Aska. And they didn't reference the Turtles in Seed of Destruction because, at the time, the individual characters were subject to separate copyrights of their creators. Ninjara was still owned by Michael Dooney, who allowed Stephen Murphy and Chris Allen to keep using her. Something similar applied to Mokoshan. And Stephen Murphy was lead writer of the Archie continuity anyway, so he could tie the continuities together without involving more copyrights than he needed to where he needed to—it kept the project more flexible. But even Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was owned by Mirage Studios, which in its roots as an independent comic publisher was far more tolerant and accepting of side projects than large media conglomerates like Viacom. Murphy was a member of Mirage anyway from the late 1990s—it was actually Mirage staff including Murphy who were handling most of the writing for the Archie comic, with Archie as publisher.
Sisy's actually a perfect Archie-style character, designed with stealth humor as he is. (The mythological Sisyphus was fated to always try to roll a boulder up a slope, and the video game Sisyphus is a scarab, which are dung beetles that roll...well, you get it.) Not sure how I'd like to see him reinterpreted as a story character, as he never really had a story beyond his appearance in the game.
And Aska was always basically Mitsu, but was renamed for her video game appearance after the third film was so poorly received.
I imagine if Sisyphus appeared in Archie or the IDW comic, he'd be a Malignoid that ends up siding with the Turtles. Both the Malignoids(Archie anyhow) and Sisyphus are based on beetles and samurai armor.
Knowing my bad luck, someone from IDW will read this and thus cancel the appearance of IDW Sisyphus as he had a similar origin. ;)
Thats true, if she ever reappeared she'd probably become a mutant animal.
But even so, I doubt Sisyphus would be a Malignoid. They're a hive existence, and Sisyphus is an autonomous character. He could conceivably possibly be related to Maligna, but it's hard to imagine him being a Malignoid himself.
Perhaps former Malignoid is a better word. He'd be a malignoid that escaped the hivemind. Remember when Kid Terra damaged Maligina's antenas and she freaked out because she'd no longer be able to control the Malignoids if she lost both?
And besides the fact that the Archie continuity seems pretty wrapped up at this point (most of the interesting characters are dead, too), a Malignoid origin for Sisyphus doesn't explain his association with scarab lore (he Malignoids are not necessarily scarabs or beetles at all) or the fact that he's a samurai—even Chote didn't become a samurai in a vacuum. With the IDW Malignoids, a similar issue applies: They are not necessarily scarabs or beetles at all.
Well I didn't mean Sisyphus specifically the Archie continuity but a new continuty with elements of Archie similar to the IDW comics.
The Malignoids are usally depicted as beetle-like and there is a lot of variety with many Malignoids resembling different species of insects in both Archei and IDW. I can see it. THey definitely have kind of a Samurai armor, while not officially being Samurai.
Do you think Sisyphus would be a human or animal origin mutant?
I don't have an opinion on weirdest character in a TMNT fighting game.
And really, the only definition of lethal in these cases is whether a weapon can be used to kill someone. A wooden staff is a blunt object that can kill someone. A stapler is an object that can kill someone. Anything that can kill someone and is improvised as a weapon can be a lethal weapon. Don't overthink purpose over usefulness.