I'm hoping there is no Season 6 comic.
Like it ot not, the show ended. There are a lot of loose ends I would have liked to have been tied up, but at the same time, even if the show were concluded perfectly, there would always be loose ends.
At this point, it is best to leave the show to the fans.
While what Saki did was evil and awful...I really hate how Karai went from, "Shredder is my father!" to "Shredder is NOT my real dad and I hate him!" upon learning the truth.
For all that Saki did wrong, he did raise Karai. He was as much of a father to her as Splinter was to the Turtles. It doesn't excuse or mitigate the kidnapping and murder, but for 15 years of her life, he was her father, trained her not only to protect herself but to run his empire.
I would have liked it if Karai had been ambivalent, then Shredder actually turned against her, saying she was too much like her real father, and that she come to terms that she could not save him. Or, if Karai had been ambivalent, and Shredder still have been possessive and controlling of her and she come to the understanding that she was as much of Sherdder's child as Splinter's and acted as a bridge between the two. But for her to completely and permanently reject Shredder and side with the Turtles was just a reversal of what Shredder did when he found out the truth about his heritage; and unlike him she never did reveal the truth and still tried to lead the Foot as Karai, not Miwa. Basically, she out-villained the villain. But it's okay because she got mutated (although Shredder did what he could to try to restore her, if for all the wrong reasons) and because she's a "good girl" now.
No, Karai shouldn't worship the ground Shredder walks on, but for her to show absolutely no attachment for a man who raised her is not just unrealistic, but it's a cheap easy reaction to change a character's allegiance without doing the actual work.
It's ambiguous, but I like to ascribe by the cartoon/comics rule that if you don't see a body, the character is not dead.
I just assume he did escape and his absence is a fitting end to his character; he started out insignificant, and ended insignificant.
I actually love the monster episodes (so far) and don't hate any of the "tales" outright...but this season would have been better served with six more episodes as you described. I would have loved it if in the end, all the bad mutants ended up getting cured....but the actively, willingly criminal ones were arrested and sent to jail right afterward, reminding me of a certain Gargoyles quote, "If you're human, then you're subject to human laws."
Heck, there are other kids like Martin and Jason who just caught up in the mutagen mess and are now permanently freaks. I could understand it in the 80's series, but it's 30 years later.
Just like we'll never get to see if April finds her mom which is expliclty ambiguous. Given the buildup in early seasons, this seemed to be one of the main series "goals."
The idea of either curing or nullifying some of the random mutants on the show seemed to go by the wayside after the space adventures.
You're not really that behind. The episodes have been completed for some time, to the point where the episodes have come out on home video. However, for some reason, NIckelodeon was holding onto these episodes and haven't aired them until now. As of this writing, there are still unaired episodes, but all of them have been produced.
Plus, in this final season, all of the episodes are mostly separate story arcs with little continuity outside of the arcs. So if you haven't seen the Mutant Apocalypse arc, it's not as if it depends on you seeing the Kavaxas arc, for instance.
I thought it was great self-contained story...but not a good series finale at all. Now I see definitely why Nickelodeon aired this episode before the other ones.
It is a purposely despressing arc, and the only way to reconcile the differences between the other episodes and this one is to treat it as an alternate universe. As others have mentioned, even though it seems like there is a point of divergence between the episodes we've seen and this bad future, there's little evidence that it's the case. The mutagen bomb is definitely technology from The Kraang, although that doesn't mean they launched it.
I don't think we're meant to look at the continuity that deeply, though. Instead this a Mad Max inspired universe that answers the question "What if the Turtles Fail?" and shows what could happen to these guys. Exploring it as a side-story is refreshing, but ending the series on this note would be terrible.
He's not coming back. All of the episodes have been produced, and there's no role for him at this point. There are quite a few points where this series did not give any closure.
That he got a semi-appearance in "The Creeping Doom" is at least assurance that he was alive.
I thought when "When Worlds Collide" aired it put the coffin nail in the idea of a "triangle."
At the beginning, April and Donnie are playfully laughing and throwing popcorn at each other while half-watching Space Heroes: TNG with Raph. This is immediately followed by Raph encountering Leo training with Karai. Raph later sees Mikey is chatting with Renet with "future tech." All of this is juxtaposition for Raphael being temporarily alone. If April were still romantically bouncing between Donnie and Casey, showing those Donnie and April together (especially with April instigating a lot of the goofing around, so it's not Donnie with hearts for eyes) wouldn't make much sense.
I doubt they will ever come out and make it more blatant, but all evidince leans towards Donnie/April being a "thing" and not just a joke. She already chose Donnie and vice versa.
He's definitely a cyborg in the common use of the term. Even the supplementary materials state he is now blind without his visor, so yes he's a fusion of organic material and electronic technology.
My thoughts on the crossover are what I thought it'd be. A little get-together that'd be a wasted opportunity. Yeah, it was nice having the original voices, but Donatello's really doesn't fit with how it sounds in this. It is nice to see the different art styles. Unfortunately the animation in the original cartoon's universe is REALLY choppy and Krang...kinda doesn't look right. It looks like a parody of the original cartoon rather than the original cartoon. And that's not even getting into the story problems. I know it's just fanservice is all, but with how it's trying to act like the whole dimension-thingy is being sorta consistent from Turtles Forever it just falls flat on its face. Even if Krang was based off the Utroms, he is NOT one in the original. He LOST his body when he was banished. And he was a tyrant. And his Dimension X was COMPLETELY different from the new cartoon's one. I know I'm looking too far into it, but it's just basic stuff that pops into my head as I'm watching it that kinda brings the thing down. Also no Shredder.
...and shouldn't at least ONE of the two sets of Turtles remember each other between the Mirage and original cartoon Turtles? On the other hand, if this is their first time meeting then they should remember each other in Turtles Forever.
The animation in the '80s universe is choppy to poke fun at how bad some of the old animation was in episodes. Plus, there will never be an exact match since 2D animation is digitally created now vs. cel-based animation.
As for the inconsitencies in Krang's backstory, you don't have to take it canonical to the old series (which was somewhat loose with continuitt anyway) but just accept it for this episode.
The reason for the "no Shredder" should be fairly obvious, but in case it isn't, let me spell it out. You can't have a "nostaglia" Shredder in an episode when the voice actor who played him for a large part of the 80's series is no longer with us.
Finally, it's fairly clear that "Turtles Forever" didn't happen in this version of TMNT. Think of this episode as a replacement for that movie.
Kung fu frogz wrote: More mutants! YAAAAY. Cause screw human characters!
I think Kung fu frogz was being facetious.
More mutants means more merchandising potential, that's true.
However, making human adversaries into mutants is almost a necessity because human characters can't be expected to keep up. How many times have Casey and April been sidelined in the past couple of seasons, even after April has been in the possession of psychic powers and been confirmed to be a mutant? Shredder already has pushed the limits of believability, especially after he manhandled Leatherhead.
Besides, Shredder getting mutated is not only karmic retribution (if unwanted on his part) for him purposely creating and controlling mutants but also is a physical representation as to the monster he has become.
I have mixed emotions about this version of Mona Lisa.
On one hand, it's great that a legacy character was at least included. I also really liked that it was her distrust of our heroes that helped push the conflict instead of being a willing ally from the beginning. Last, for good or for ill, this is the type of girl that would captivate 2012Raph (even though I'd personally prefer he'd fall for someone who he *didn't* think he'd like).
On the other hand, there were so many aspects different from the original incarnation that there was no connection to her 80's counterpart whatsoever. In fact, they aren't even the same species; new Mona Lisa is an alien which completely changes the character's background. This makes Raph's "naming" of her come really out of the blue. I think I would like the character better if they didn't try to make her the nominal successor of the 80's version. We go from a rebellious survivor of a kidnapping who was literally changed by what she had gone through to a proud warrior alien who just needed convincing that these strangers weren't bad people. The latter is a lot more generic.
It doesn't help that all of the ladies so far in TMNT2012 have become action-y (albeit, at least in unique ways) and while that may seem to be a good thing in an action series, it's also bad in that it means it makes them interchangable. There are supporting male characters who don't fight (and those who don't fight well, like Pigeon Pete and Mondo Gecko). What's wrong with having supporting female characters who do the same?
Still, I don't hate her, and if she returns, I hope to like her in own right...but not as "Mona Lisa."
This question is for Ciro Nieli. Aside from April, Karai, and Irma, this series has been light in terms of visibly female characters. Is there a plan to introduce more female recurring characters in the upcoming episodes?
Belated, but yes, I love it. It's the spoiled princess archetype, which I like a lot better than the "pure-hearted" princess type. If someone is raised to be the ruler of an entire planet, she is going to have some level of entitlement, and at least she has the potential for comedy or for growth.
He might track her, but I don't think he's going to menace her the same way as in that episode.
In comparison to all the other mutants (even the ones who had seen to act solely on instinct) who made a beeline for that exit as soon as they were able to Donattello had to urge Kirby to go through. His pause was only for a brief second, and it was probably more Kirby being momentarily stunned than anything else, but it does indicate he's nowhere near as out of control as he was in that first episode.
On the contrary, I love her and the whole Voltron parody aspect.
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Believe me, that type of villain is common. It's unlikely for a lot of other reasons (namely that it would be too dark for mainstream kids entertainment, and the squick factor of a Kraaang + Human hybrid would be off the charts), but the motivation is narratively plausible.
Back to the original post, I guess we'll never find out "who" it was or even if it had an individual identity.
I don't think Karai finding out the truth is going to make her join the Turtles' side by itself.
Shredder raised her as his daughter and even if she becomes angry with him over the lie, I can't see her breaking away from him just because of that. Shredder is her father. While she might be conflicted, but she's not going to throw away that parental tie. She clearly loves him.
If anything, I think Shredder would be the one to disown her under the right circumstances, and even then, I could see her wanting to each out to him.
I think there has to be something else that will happen to break Karai away from Shredder.
I'd be deathly averse to being mutated into an animal-human hybrid. Aside from the potential for backfiring in terms of losing one's mind or ability to communicate, other reservations come to mind.
Realistically, even if one retained one's voice, there's no guarantee one would even be able to participate in society. Legally how would one, for instance, prove one is the same person. While a "clean break" might sound nice, there may be loose ends to tie up or otherwise the human you would essentially be missing and if not "cured" then eventally declared dead. Plus, being forced into isolation, how would one cope? Even if you used your newfound mutant abilities for evil and took over the world, you would still always be apart from people. Worse yet, unless you were lucky like the Turtles, you wouldn't even have another mutant of your type to even relate to.
Also, what about the biological difficulties that could arise as a result of the mutation? Fishface requires mechanical assistance to breathe and to walk. Snakeweed has to use "fertlizer" to regrow, and maybe the method he was using was the only way for him sustain himself. It can range from something simple like not being able to eat one's favorite food, to maybe not even able to eat at all...or worse yet having predators come after you.
All and all, I like being human.