If you have thoughts on Trans-Dimensional Turtles, write it here.
My thoughts:
The Turtles met their 1987 counterparts to stop Krang from causing chaos in their dimension.
If you have thoughts on Trans-Dimensional Turtles, write it here.
My thoughts:
The Turtles met their 1987 counterparts to stop Krang from causing chaos in their dimension.
Yes, my friends who watched this episode, watched it to compare it to Turtles Forever, and they had similar criticisms. But they were also largely already expecting it to be bad anyway, and watched mainly out of a morbid fascination.
At this rate, I may never see this episode. And I say that with genuine sorrow, because I keep trying to hold out a ray of hope that this series will somehow get good again. I was a bigger fan of this show than any of my other fan friends, and they know how much it means to me. But each time they check back in on the show, they tell me how it's gotten even worse, with the most hyped-up episodes falling flattest of all, as if Nick's idea of the best TMNT ever is being tailored to drive us away as much as possible.
At this point, it's fair to say we feel a strong alienation from this series. The past several months, I've been feeling a lot like Mikey here:
...and I've been annoying the hell out of most everyone else on the wiki as a result, which I very much regret. This really hasn't been an easy time for me as a TMNT fan, especially since I'm still an active Turtlepedia editor and I maintain articles for other versions of TMNT besides this show. Seeing or hearing every day that this show steadfastly refuses to appeal to us again, has been pretty painful, even as other versions of TMNT most Turtlepedia users never discuss (IDW TMNT, MNT Gaiden, etc.) have actually been really good lately. I've tried before to start threads discussing IDW, etc., but they have usually been met with the deafening silence of crickets. Where are all the other TMNT fans and their desire to help document this stuff? I've been doing most of it by myself. :(
My thoughts on the crossover are what I thought it'd be. A little get-together that'd be a wasted opportunity. Yeah, it was nice having the original voices, but Donatello's really doesn't fit with how it sounds in this. It is nice to see the different art styles. Unfortunately the animation in the original cartoon's universe is REALLY choppy and Krang...kinda doesn't look right. It looks like a parody of the original cartoon rather than the original cartoon. And that's not even getting into the story problems. I know it's just fanservice is all, but with how it's trying to act like the whole dimension-thingy is being sorta consistent from Turtles Forever it just falls flat on its face. Even if Krang was based off the Utroms, he is NOT one in the original. He LOST his body when he was banished. And he was a tyrant. And his Dimension X was COMPLETELY different from the new cartoon's one. I know I'm looking too far into it, but it's just basic stuff that pops into my head as I'm watching it that kinda brings the thing down. Also no Shredder.
...and shouldn't at least ONE of the two sets of Turtles remember each other between the Mirage and original cartoon Turtles? On the other hand, if this is their first time meeting then they should remember each other in Turtles Forever.
The animation in the '80s universe is choppy to poke fun at how bad some of the old animation was in episodes. Plus, there will never be an exact match since 2D animation is digitally created now vs. cel-based animation.
As for the inconsitencies in Krang's backstory, you don't have to take it canonical to the old series (which was somewhat loose with continuitt anyway) but just accept it for this episode.
The reason for the "no Shredder" should be fairly obvious, but in case it isn't, let me spell it out. You can't have a "nostaglia" Shredder in an episode when the voice actor who played him for a large part of the 80's series is no longer with us.
Finally, it's fairly clear that "Turtles Forever" didn't happen in this version of TMNT. Think of this episode as a replacement for that movie.
It's okay if Turtles Forever didn't happen in this continuity. I prefer to think that everything in this series since partway through season 3 didn't even happen anyway. :) I'm largely waiting/hoping for the show to regain its sanity and restore a stronger depth and continuity. It hasn't yet, and it may never at this rate, but I gotta hope.
And yes, James Avery had a very distinctive voice that was never easy to recast without sounding really wrong. I don't like the 80s series, but I respected him as both a live actor and a voice actor.
And yes, James Avery had a very distinctive voice that was never easy to recast without sounding really wrong. I don't like the 80s series, but I respected him as both a live actor and a voice actor.
True, but Jim Cummings is still with us! Who is the cheese grate that flaps in the night?!
Thanks for not taking offense at my complaints. As a 2K12 fan, I've been in pain.
Ya know, I think I can forgive the whole prime universe thing being used again because I loved turtles forever and there's some good fridge brilliance in it (they went to when the mirage turtles first started, so if you destroyed it then the turtles wouldn't be able to continue on) but I absouloutely DESPISED the idea that Krang was part of the Kraang, the Kraang only PARTLY look like the Krang of the old series, Krang may have had "contemporaries" who looked like brains in jars. But that can easily be explained by him not being the only being who was disembodied. His soldiers were surprised to see him as a brain and this Krang wanted to destroy all the dimensions?WHEN IN TURTLES FOREVER HE TRIED STOPPING CHRELL FROM DOING JUST THAT?!if you liked it, then you are perfectly free to enjoy what you want watch what you want and do what you want...if it isn't illegal, but I just do NOT like this episode, wouldn't it be better if they had...I don't know. 12 lord dregg team up with the old one? And not completely ruin 87 Krang?
Ty-Dawg: What do you mean by "prime universe"?
Ahh, okay. :) I've encountered enough TMNT fans who don't seem fully aware the Mirage universe even exists, so it comes off as ambiguous. I have similar experiences with Star Fox fans who don't always know there were any games before Star Fox 64.
Honestly the other two bombs were both unneccasary, and neccasary at the same time. ON THE ONE HAND-destroying the Turtle-Prime will destroy all other realities in the turtleverse, ON THE OTHER HAND-the other two bombs worked as a pretty good distraction! Though...he probably didn't know that, being the loony that is Krang.