Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31255465-20170923034221/@comment-33378883-20171120031434

Easol1,

Ah, yes. "Mirage style". Does that mean sexist, substandard storytelling riddled with embarrassingly, insultingly obvious plot holes...no, plot craters? No thank you. They can take their "Mirage style" and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I prefer good, quality storytelling that makes sense, doesn't insult the viewers, and doesn't treat women as objects to be disposed of.

I'm still sorry about your friend,  and it truly saddens me to have potentially lost a fellow member of the fandom for this (overall) awesome show  :(  It makes one wonder how many others may leave the fandom because of this;  hopefully they don't completely swear of all incarnations of the TMNT for good.  Frankly, it is starting to really tick me off.  How many people may have used this show as an escape, and then have it hurt them instead?   Indeed, it may not be a bad idea for her to take a break from 2012 TMNT,  until she feels that she is at a point where she can assess the situation for herself, ignore the whining from the edgelords ( you have to be in a good, stable place mentally in order to do that), and decide for herself whether this makes any sense at all in the canon timeline.  We know it doesn't make sense at all in canon and are able to roll our eyes at the edgelords, but depression/anxiety are terrible conditions that don't always allow for clear thinking (sadly, I am speaking from past personal experience here). It would be a shame for her to lose something she enjoyed just because some dude had a temper tantrum (that wasn't very nice of me, I know, but I find it difficult to care). And then she could just avoid re-watching the polished turd if she ever gives the series a try again (hope she does!). Owari/Kavaxas arc makes a nice ending point, or even the Crossover/Lone Rat (since they're on the same DVD).

Once again, I personally refuse to let some dude ruin something I enjoy, just because he wanted to throw a hissy fit.

Glad to hear she is willing to give the 2003 series a try! Personally, it is one of my favorite incarnations ( competing with the 2012 series and the 1990 movie), at least the first 3 seasons (had issues with Karai's arc in the later seasons, as well as the resolution of Leo's PTSD arc). Love Mike Sinterniklaas as Leonardo (he might be very favorite Leo, actually). In fact,   I was in the middle of re-watching...until the polished turd aired. Hope she enjoys it :)

Best of luck to her :)  Sorry if I sound crabby.  Just had an exhausting week following a big test, and my patience is running thin.

Fishface405,

I'm lucky in that I enjoyed most of the rest of Season 5. Even the weakest of the non-Mutant Apocalypse arcs look like masterpieces next to that polished turd. That said, End Times does make a good ending to the main CANON storyline.