Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-16581186-20151227004739/@comment-26062541-20160127191154

Gilgameshkun wrote: He didn't wait three seasons to ask her out&mdash;he waited less than 30 minutes. The problem is that her story represents a retooled Raph I can no longer stand&mdash;a very serious decline that was already happening over season 3, but now is just plain terrible. This Salamandrian might have been perfectly fine as a friend or sister type of character, but they forced the fast-acting romantic angle, destroying both characters' credibility in the process.

I miss the old Raph who was indifferent to women, competed with April, catfought with Karai and angsted over Slash. He was interesting, and had some of the best, wittiest lines and some of the unexpectedly deepest moments. I wanted to get to know that guy better.

This Raph was already becoming dull and unsympathetic, but this storyline he was forced into only confirmed my worst fears of what the writers were doing to him and to this show&mdash;turning it all into Fred Wolf syndrome hell. If I wanted to watch narmy trash, I'd just watch the 1987 TV series.

Remember, every time someone wishes TMNT be more like the 1987 TV series, an angel commits seppuku in a meat grinder and their remains are rendered into a bio-petrochemical to be processed into plastic to be factory-molded into Playmates toys.

(Just finished the massive task of setting apart 1987 TV series episode gallery pages. ...I still hate it. XD But it got me achievement points, and made the wiki a little tidier in the process. I'm surprised I got this much work done&mdash;I can usually only stand that series in the smallest of doses.) Once again I debate it, as I feel it applies to his character. And there's still depth to him, which they showed MARVELOUSLY in Riddle of the Ancient Aeons. Also, is it rushed? Is asking out a girl you like who likes you back, REALLY rushing it? Is waiting a million years just to hear him/her say yes or no really more realistic? No, if you do THAT they will find someone else and you'll have nothing. Maybe its a little rushed, but I prefer that than suffer through another willthey/won'tthey.

And once again, harsh. People like the 1987 show, and this series takes inspiration from ALL over the turtleverse. Honestly Mona Lisa has a LOT less to do with her namesake, and this season takes more credence to the 2003 show than the 87 one, as well as the Archie comics with Bellybomb. And it will NEVER have the problems character wise 87 had, in that show Raph had NO rage what so ever, while here we get to see it every once and a while. And I thought him channeling his anger in "Spirit Quest" was the reason why he doesn't go nuts as much, that's progression. Yes the show doesn't follow his personal arch as much, but neither do they with the others, and the reason for that is they are on mission, hell they never even got to grieve properly for Splinter, which Leo shows in "Riddles of the Ancient Aeons".