Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31255465-20170923034221/@comment-33378883-20180213192659

Even though it's still hard to find much love for the arc

It's pretty bad, I agree. Truly a polished turd.

I'm still glad you feel that way.

I am, too! It's been a blast making fun of the arc :)

And the fact that it is underrated

That's not a fact. I would argue the exact opposite --> it's quite overrated. I have seen people refer to it as a "masterpiece" despite the weak storytelling  riddled with massive plot holes/canon contradictions.

 Can't say I blame them because, you know, they're right!

If they were right, then they would be able to calmly offer an intelligent counter-argument, which they have utterly failed to do. Instead they have to resort to tantrums and insults. This suggests that they do not have an intelligent counter-argument, and they realize it deep down.

'''Pffft! Keep telling yourself that.'''

Once again, you have no counter-argument to offer. Thank you for proving my point.

And I'm sorry for the overreaction last time Easol,

It's good that you're apologizing to Easol. You certainly owe them one. Yes, it was an overreaction, and it needs to stop.

'''but there is no way that this arc is non-cannon! '''

I would argue the opposite is true.--> 1)  It is impossible for the arc to fit into the canon timeline ( for reasons that have been stated repeatedly;  if you have forgotten them, then I suggest you review previous comments).  2) According to Nickelodeon, it is officially non-canon.

 no in-episode evidence that it is an AU (and possibly the idea/fact that the future isn't written in stone) are, or should be, enough to determine its canonocity--and certainly not some guy pretending to be the voice for all of Nickelodeon via social networking!

In-episode evidence? How about the entire episode....taking place in a post-apocalyptic wasteland? Which directly contradicts the future that Renet comes from? Oh, and "some guy" is the verified TMNT twitter account. Try again :)

'''And I'll tell you something else; Triggerman and the rest of the mods/editors here need to either acknowledge that it's canon on the pages here involving the arc, or at least have it written on said pages that it's debatable thanks to the controversy that we the fans have built! '''

Why do they need to "acknowledge" something that is clearly untrue? The arc is not officially canon. Ciro may have wanted it to be canon, but he was (rightfully) overruled. Mentioning the controversy is not necessary, either.

the fact that I've had to spend a lot of time here and elsewhere stating how it's not so bad is a real damper 


 * Plays the worlds tiniest violin**  Newsflash:  People are going to dislike things that you like.  Realizing this is a part of growing up.  It's something I realized with Harry Potter.  I was much happier once I learned this and matured :)

Leo's turn as a villain was actually the most interesting part of the story to me since he mirrored his worst enemy all the way down to his motivation: the loss of the person he loved and the disentegration of his relationship with the only family he had ever known

In my opinion, that was one of the dumbest parts of the already very weak story. I also disagree with your assessment. Shredder was motivated by jealousy and revenge. Plus, he purposely mutated himself. This timeline's version of Leo simply went crazy and lost his memory after the Mutagen bomb turned him into Nipplehead. This was due to his making a heroic sacrifice to save his family.....although there's no explanation as to why he stands there like a doofus instead of jumping off the roof with his family....or why the other three weren't smart enough to jump off on their own. He didn't even know who he was and didn't remember his family. At all. He had no recollection of the family he had lost.

And thus,  Nipplehead proceeded to put a bucket on his head and drive around the desert in a truck and act like an idiot for decades. Then, when he gets his memory back, he shows no concern over the friends he had lost or the fact that he was a wasteland conquering murderer for decades.

I'm so glad this isn't canon. It would have been an insult to Leo's true character  :)