Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-31255465-20170923034221/@comment-33336503-20180225025313

Fishface405 wrote: Hey, look, I know it's been 8 days now and I don't want to start another flame war but what's our conclusion here? Do we agree that "End Times" was the final episode or did the "Mutant Apocalypse" really happen? "End Times" should've been the final episode of S4, and I don't even like it or the Kavaxas arc. And after all the evidence I've stated about MA (enough to do a Top 10 list), which I'll do one more time for fun: Nickelodeon sucking at scheduling since "Parasitica", production order, the fact that none of the other arcs are considered non-cannon (certainly the Kavaxas arc of course), Ciro Nieli's confirmation, no in-episode evidence to indicate non-canon or AU (unlike in past TMNT episodes dealing with stuff like it), the fact that the future isn't written in stone, the Chompy flashbacks straight out of S4, it was approved and aired--hopefully the editors here will get to work on that episode's page right away.

Anyway, back to the point I made with Wingnut's post earlier (I hope you're reading); with regards to canon vs. non-canon, it kind of does matter if something is officially considered canon or not because it opens a dangerous door, which the MA detractors are trying to do, that could allow people like them to sway, even bully studios and/or artists into making a project suddenly unofficial. As an entertainment fan, I always want what I want and if it's bad then screw the guys who made it, but where does something like this end? Where would the line between viewer and creator begin to disappear? To me, this is a lot like the Indoctrination Theory that came out when fans and players became so irate at the ending of the original Mass Effect trilogy that they tried to push their own ending on the studio. As much as I didn't like it myself, I still commend them for not caving. This is basically the same thing except the detractors are mostly using the word of some guy on Twitter (whose real name we don't even know) claiming to represent Nickelodeon to claim that the studio caved and push this on the rest of the fanbase. Again, where does it end? Are we suddenly going to say that the final season of "Samurai Jack" isn't canon b/c it never involved Jack fulfilling the Guardian's prophecy? Is Bioware/EA suddenly going to accept the Indoctrination Theory in the wake of ME:Andromeda's failure so they can have the "Mass Effect" series bringing in cash again? As far as I'm concerned, this whole controversy and 'movement' by quite a bit of the fanbase is a low for this franchise. So you'll have to excuse me Wingnut, and others, for not taking the word of some guy on Twitter whose name I don't even know nor the advice of someone who admittedly learned "maturity" from the 'Harry Potter' books.