Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1255374-20150526003140/@comment-25614818-20150528172540

Fernando Pandha wrote: The first time the turtles faced Shredder they got their shells kicked in no time, but they have evolved so much that in "Clash of the Mutanimals" Raphael was able to defeat Saki all by himself, Shredder was on the ground and Raphael's Sai was pointed to his face, to bad he couldn't finish it was the mind control started working on him. Yeah, but I think that Shredder went a bit easier on him, though... I mean, Shredder wasn't doing any moves like he did in "Showdown" against Splinter, did he?

Not that I'm saying that Raph has a chance, but I'm just implying that Shredder may not have been giving all he could muster.