Thread:Gilgameshkun/@comment-16581186-20151129161318

Hi Gil. I don’t think Trigger deserves us tainting his page with yet another meaningless debate about this, so I'm just going to end it here. It does not and never will change anything about where this show is headed. Imo it really just boils down to a shipping war lol. But I should know better that to try to change your perspective on this or make you see it my way, which is clearly impossible. So to clear my conscience, and save us both some time and headache, I’ll just state my piece on this and let this debate go, FOREVER!

And yes, brother is a word that many people overuse as a term of camaraderie, but is it really a term that someone would use to describe their lover. Brother is a strong word in a certain context, sometimes you can't just dismiss it. When someone calls a male "brother" (particularly someone they know), the person they call brother is usually someone who is their fellow friend or teammate who looks out for them just as the other person does. Even the examples you gave me, Leatherhead and Newtralizer (in Newtralized) fit this profile. Newtralizer was looking out for Slash's best interest (at least in Slash's mind) when he saved him from being imprisoned by the Kraang and suggested they work together to eliminate them. And Leatherhead is the second in command on his team that undoubtedly saved his shell several times. Typically, when you call someone brother (if they’re not someone who actually is your brother), that person is someone who acts or behaves like a brother.

Evidence: When Newtralizer said “Slash! How could you brother?”, Slash said “you’re no brother of mine.”

Slash once called him brother because he once seemed noble and brotherly, but once he saw the bad side Slash told him that he’s not his brother. So brother isn’t just a word that Slash (or most other people for that matter) throws around willy nilly to any male character who isn’t his enemy. It’s a word that is of great value to him and uses it for the male figures that are like brothers to him, with Raph being the most valuable because he learned everything he knows from him. Raph is the brother that Slash is most thankful for. I mean, Raph showed the emotion and sorrow if not more for his actual brother Leonardo. When Leo broke his leg, that was like one of Raph’s most emotional moments. He was extremely emotional about Leo’s condition and watched over him closely, never leaving his side and only cracked a smile once he woke up. And even after that, he did not some but all of the work that required helping Leo get better. And in the latest The Outlaw Armaggon, when everyone ran toward the Ulixes to prepare to leave, Raph stayed behind to make sure his brother got off safely. He didn’t do these things because he’s romantically attracted with his brother Leonardo. He did it because that’s what brothers do. They look out for each other, they keep each other safe, they fight as one, they protect one another, they love one another, they are family and they stick together no matter what. And that’s the relationship Raph and Slash share. Now, if Slash was in Leo’s positions at these times, I’m sure you’d use that as ammo to help your point, but if we’re being brutally honest, Raph has had many more emotional moments with his brother Leonardo than he ever did with Slash.

And what I fail to see or believe is irrelevant. What I’m saying is there simply was no evidence or confirmation that it was in a romantic way and TON of evidence that it was in familial or “kindred spirit” kind of way. What evidence or confirmation of Raph and Slash’s romantic relationship aside from speculation based minor gestures, the way one touched one the other, or one of them having an emotional moment about the other? None! Also, the characters have literally been around since the first episode. Did any official, director, or writer for the show ever confirm their romance? No. Therefore, it is unconfirmed by any solid source and doesn’t belong on the wiki. Btw, you said your experience making gifs helped you come to your conclusion, but have you ever heard the phrase “When you look at same thing over and over for too long you start to see things that aren’t really there”? It’s one thing to want a pairing in the show, that’s fine. But when you start taking speculation and dubbing it fact (and I’m even talking about season 2 here), that’s a problem.

All of them had moments like these with characters that weren’t their love interests. Like how they all were sad when April hated them, or when Raph, or when April herself got over it and caressed her mutated dad’s face in the same way you suggested Raph did to Slash. Anyways none of us know if the season 2 writers were going for a RaphxSlash, though I highly doubt it. And frankly imo, if that is what they were gunning for, they did a pretty terrible job at it because none about those episodes gave us any confirmation that either of them even thought of each other as more than brothers. If they wanted it they should have forcibly make that presence known to the audience. As Yoshimickster once said, “If you wait too long to seize your opportunity, you lose it.“ Which is exactly why the writers of Season 4 smartly did not waste any time getting Raphael and Mona Lisa together, while still making their chemistry convincing. Of course writers change. Writers change for virtually any successful TV show. They change to make it more creative and express more ideas by adding more people with creative minds to the process of making fresh, new, and interesting episodes. Ciro and Brandon, and this show in particular, are not afrad to raise the bar and I LOVE them for that.

Finally, I’m very sorry that you aren’t enjoying season 4. It truly pains me because I am loving it! My of my favorite aspects of all incarnations of the turtles are coming back in this season in such a fresh new way. The Triceratons, Armaggon, Mona Lisa (and Ramona), Fugitoid, the Turtles’ new weapons and astro-suits. If I’m lucky, we might even get Battle Nexus. (sigh) I’m just going to continue being part of the majority that enjoys the current 2K12 series. ESPECIALLY the later seasons of the series, as Season 4 is shaping up to be probably my favorite out of the whole show.



But with that, I’m done discussing this topic with you. Everything I wanted to say has already been said, so hopefully you read all of this, cause I’m finished. You’re a good guy Gilgameshkun, I just happen to think that you’re wrong on this one. No hard feelings. :]



And Happy late Thanksgiving :]  