Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1255374-20170707062639/@comment-26761322-20180213233803

Gilgameshkun wrote: Actually, I think Archie Bebop and Rocksteady or IDW Bebop and Rocksteady are the best versions of those characters. And for Pete's sake, 2012 Pete may have come first and inspired IDW's version, but IDW Pete has become a much better developed character, and 2012 Pete could have been this good if the production didn't seem to regard him as nothing but a nuisance to be crapped upon. IDW Pete has annoying moments, but he's warm and caring. And while I don't necessarily dislike crossovers, I dislike pretty much all crossovers with the 1987 series, because I can't stand the 1987 series. It's always been crap, and has never deserved its grossly excessive influence in the TMNT mythos. While I agree with you on the whole "Pigeon Pete" topic, I kinda have to disagree with your stance on the 1987 TMNT series. Despite not being born when it aired (I got the complete series boxset for Christmas 2 years back), I DID NOT find it to be crap, I found it to be fun. And let's be real--without it, we would still have all 4 Turtles wearing red masks, and for most, that would just lead to confusion. I get that you can differentiate them by their weapons, but there are some people who wouldn't really notice that. Not to mention, parents would just think it's the same turtle, just repackaged with a different weapon.