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TMNTInsighter wrote:

Easol1 wrote:

TMNTInsighter wrote: Give me the in-episode evidence that proves the arc was unofficial, I'm waiting! In-episode evidence ALONE is not required except by you; those are YOUR highly-restrictive standards for canonicity, not the rest of the world's (I can provide other similar examples of determined canonicity if you like). I'm not sure why you're not satisfied by me saying that you can enjoy the arc as whatever you like.

And unless I'm mistaken, we've already gone over the issues that make it impossible for it to exist in the same timeline as the main series unless you headcanon in a bunch of twisting, complicated explanations or excuses to fill the massive, contradictory holes. Issues such as contradictory information/events that makes it impossible for characters (Renet, for instance), events or scenarios to co-exist in the same world. They are effectively mutually exclusive. So two wrongs make a right?! Give me a break!

Easol1 wrote:

That is evidence. You simply stated that you don't consider these massive contradictions to be anything important, because some other continuity error that DIDN'T derail the entire world and multiple characters (such as making characters' very existence and stated events impossible) bugged you in a different episode. There is in-series evidence, but you're not acknowledging it.

So I don't see any reason to repeat myself more than I already have. Have a nice day. So anything that's ever been made that has continuity errors in it never happened?! Pfffft!

Just call things the way you see them on the screen! That's the way it's always been and the way it always should be; don't rely on the creator, some jerk writer like Auman, some page, or anything outside the episode as it plays to tell you what to think and conclude! And if you can't name me any in-episode evidence that proves this arc never happened, then you can't say it didn't happen. It's as simple as that. No, it's not the way it has always been and will ever be. Canonicity is determined by whoever has intellectual property rights to a work; just look at Disney's determination of canon when they bought Star Wars, getting rid of an epic boatload of comics and book spinoffs from the canon, and determining what it would be from then on. People may not like it, but that was how it was. You may insist that the works alone are what you should pay attention to, but that's simply not how the world works or has ever worked.

Peter Laird spoke similarly when people asked him about Mirage canon, saying that canonical inclusion was the determination of the new owners, not him. And he co-created the Turtles in the first place, so that kind of statement is good enough for me!

Furthermore, it is not a "two wrongs make a right" situation to point out when a story establishes something, and a later part contradicts it on a massive, massive scale. That is called bad writing, and it's called violating canon. Canon was established IN THE SERIES, and MA turned against it so completely that it cannot take place in the same world.

I did mention evidence that this is an AU/non-canon story. You simply don't want to acknowledge it. It's as simple as that.

And like I said, it's not the issue of continuity errors. It's the fact that the errors are so massive and overarching that they literally should erase entire chunks of the preestablished story, including chunks from the same season (Renet). And these huge, huge issues all stem from exactly one place: the Mutant Apocalypse arc. Watching it, it literally only made sense to me as an AU. How is that for accepting only what you see on the screen?