Talk:Mei Pieh Chi/archive

=2009=

We need to bring Venus back now.
Honestly I don't care what Laird says about Venus. She is awesome! Before anyone like Laird just goes out of their ways to criticise Venus they should layoff and give her another chance. I hope to God that Venus comes back with her brothers and master.

Changes for Venus
If Venus de Milo does come back to TMNT there should be a few changes for her. First off they should at least change her signature color from cyan to black, white or pink. Next they should give her a pair of signature weapons like tessens (iron folding fans). Like the Ninja Tribunal she should be a part of it and she would be a Sentou-Shisho: a Ninjutsu Master of Combat, along with a partner ninja and her tribunal weapon should be a dart/kunai holding steel fan and in her dragon form she will resemble a sea serpant with arms, a flowing mane, sharp fins and a chest and limb armor. And her signature nature element should be Water (ex. Leonardo's nature element is Wind, Raphael's element is Fire, Michelangelo's is Earth, and Donatello's element is Lightning). And this is in Mutant Nightmares. Speaking of games, if she were to be a playable turtle like her brothers she would have her own signature techniques. Like in TMNT 2: Battle Nexus, Venus' signature attack would be "Turtle Gust" (ex. Leo's attack is "Turtle Slash", Raph's signature attack is "Turtle Flame", Mikey's attack is "Fire Blasts" and Don's is "Shell Bash"). And like in TMNT 3: Mutant Nightmares, Venus' attack should be "Water Spout" (ex. Leo's is "Slash Wave", Raph's is "Fire Spiral", Mikey's is "Tornado Blast", and Don's is "Lightning Bolt"), but also when she becomes an Ultimate Turtle her features will include runes or marks around her body, her shin gaurds will be spikey, her tessens will become larger and more powerful and it includes an oni's face on them, her shell will have the symbol of Water on it and will have bubble-like aura around it and she will have a water-like chain necklace. Keep her chinese accent, but change her background/origin to where she was actually with the turtles, just seperated for weeks not years. And also let her hobbies be drawing and painting. These will be her new changes for when she returns.

What's wrong with cyan? If any changes are to be made, I'd settle for just her being a real ninja and none of that shinobi magic nonsense. SonofSamhain 05:53, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with cyan, its just that half the fans could think of her as the female version of Leo and that her color should not be a shade of blue. She has been disliked by fans because she was made as a shinobi (which many people has clarified that "shinobi" is the same as ninja, but I think it means either a high level ninja or a mystic/spiritual/magic ninja) and that she just appeared into the turtles' family as an exclusive member. But half of the TMNT fans like her just the way she was, but at some point wished for the creators to change her origin, give her her own pair of weapons and make her as the turtles' sister. And when it comes to fighting or sparring, Venus is a really skilled fighter, even able to defeat her own brothers fairly. And I think she is the middle child among her brothers (ex. Leo is the eldest, Don is the second oldest, Raph is the second to last and Mikey is the youngest). My guess is that Venus didn't get enough credit and was hated by Laird for possibly the stupidest reason, I think the reason is that she wasn't his creation and that The Next Mutation was not that good and that the show itself pretty much screwed up her character. Nothing is wrong with Venus for existing, but there should be a few changes for her.

=2010=

Yes, I know all that stuff
You might find this weird, but I saw this show when I was a child. Until recently, I thought it was a cool show. One thing that went wrong with the show was that they made it a cheap Power Rangers clone(News flash, Saban! Just because you make it like another franchise you're famous for doesn't mean it'll be as popular). I also came up with a new back story for her. There really were five turtles that fell into the sewer(and they are blood relatives), but when they were mutated, Venus was way too shy to show herself to her brothers and her adoptive father. She ran off to the Chinatown district, where she met a sensei named Myamoto Usagi. Usagi taught her several secrets of stealth and combat, making her as skilled a ninja as her brothers. In addition, she learned how to manipulate Chi energy(mainly to just trip up her enemies and heal fallen comrades). Still not ready to meet up with her family, she donned a hooded cloak and secretly helped her four brothers fend off the Shredder's henchmen(during which, she inadvertently created Leatherhead and the Rat King). In the end, she finally has the nerve to let Don, Leo, Raph, and Mikey know of her existence and she helps them defeat the Shredder and his minions and send them to Dimension X(which in my rendition is used as a prison by intergalactic policemen, rather than Krang's home) after freeing an Utrom named Granitor. Back at the sewers, she removes her cloak. Donatello uses a scanner to confirm that she is both their sister and was created from the same mutagen that mutated them. She is then given her own bandanna and is trained to use shurikens(it was the only martial arts-related weapon I could think of that was not used by the other turtles). Splinter then proceeds to name her Venus de Milo after his favorite sculpture. As much as I'd like it if they changed Venus, I'd like it if they stayed as close to the way I remembered her, without making her a useless fifth turtle. If the color of her bandanna is going to be changed, I'd like it to be white. Pink won't do. No way they're gonna make her a stereotypical female that's all like "Kiss my ass, or I'll kiss yours, you chauvinistic man-pig!" or "I'm just a girl! I can't do anything by myself!" SonofSamhain 08:03, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

You know, I don't usually say this to a lot of people, but your ideas for her story and changes are pretty cool. I think that Venus would have been a kick-ass character with these kinds of ideas. And since Nickelodeon now has all rights and the possession of TMNT, it is highly possible that she will return and hopefully with a new and better storyline/origin that includes better features. Now I wonder if any other fan of TMNT has a change of heart for Venus.

As we already know about Venus...
Venus is, if you really think about it, a lot like her brothers. She makes funny or crack jokes when fighting enemies. She, just like her brothers, will ride on a board with them and would, at times, scold her brothers if they fight or act immature. Venus is somewhat the peacekeeper among her brothers and is basically a mother figure. She learns much from her family in New York which makes her a true teenager.

Venus' artwork
I am now curious if many TMNT fans have seen Venus' artwork or fanart. It is just cool seeing her fan made pictures because it shows how much the fans really like her or possibly love her. The pictures of fanart that I find are on deviantart and I have to say they are really impressive and so cool. Has anyone noticed how hot and acceptable she is now?

I've seen the artwork. If I ever get around to it, I may even add some to my favorites. My username there is LuciferTheShort. I even posted a couple there myself. SonofSamhain 05:33, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

Roles
If Venus were to appear in all comics, animated series and movies, what would be her roles in each of them? For me I think her role in the movies would be the peacekeeper of her family, often breaking up the fights between Leo and Raph. If it was the TMNT CGI movie she would have been at auctions trying to sell her drawings and paintings to help support the family and she will act like a mother towards her brothers. Her role in comics would be very similar to her brothers, but since she is female, she will be more spunky and a bit of a badass. I don't know, I never exactly read the TMNT comics, so I don't know whats going on in there. And as for the animated series she would be spunky, sweet and a more skilled fighter. She, unlike her brothers, would also have healing powers and would get hit on by certain guys once they see her. These are what I think her roles would be. What are yours?

I actually agree with your ideas. I always saw Venus as being the voice of reason. SonofSamhain 13:31, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Relationships
Since many characters have some sort of relationships with each other, I wonder what Venus' relationships are. I think Venus can relate to her family more than anyone. For Leo, she would understand him better because the two seem to be cut from the same cloth. She respects him as the leader and that both of them will always try to keep peace in the family. They both always listen and obey their master/father Splinter. She would also look up to Leo as her older brother, even though she acts as the voice of reason among the turtles. For Raph, she would have a bit of a sibling rivalry with him when they are sparring, since Raph is quite competitive and Venus is a much better fighter. She still admires Raph's persistance, strength and will to protect his family, while Raph admires her for her deep concern and care for her family and for her fighting skills. For Mikey, she and he would have a typical big sister/little brother relationship. Just like how Mikey tends to annoy the family with his near party obsessed, hyperactive, and carefree antics, Venus would also become annoyed if Mikey does something stupid. And at times she would think he is funny and Mikey would think she is cute. I think that since Mikey is the youngest of the five, Venus will baby him for being a bit immature. For Don, she will always get confused with Don's inventions. If she were to keep her magic abilities her relationship with Don would be a bit complex because when it comes to magic and science, Venus and Don are kinda like polar opposites, but they still care for each other. At times their individual views and interests can lead to arguments, but settles them later on. She has more relationships with her family, thats I what think.

I had my own ideas for that. As you might know, Myamoto Usagi was an anthropomorphic rabbit samurai. My rendition had him depicted as a human sensei who often wears a rabbit mask. As mentioned earlier, I had him train Venus. I was thinking Venus could have a best friend relationship with April O'Neil. Casey Jones, I'm not sure. She would also have close relationships with my rendition of Slash. My version of Slash is depicted as a clone of the turtles created by the Shredder in a plot to destroy the turtles. Unfortunately, he doesn't have all of the turtles' powers and shares some of there weaknesses(such as Mikey's pizza addiction). Like the Archie Comics version of the character, he eventually reforms. Leatherhead and Rat King hold a personal grudge since she inadvertently caused the accidents that created them. Leatherhead and Rat King in my version were originally known as Kevin Conrad and Hannibal Lord. Krang sent them to steal mutagenic substances from a lab, but Venus defeated them and dumped the substances on the two. Kevin was mutated into an alligator man, while Hannibal was horribly disfigured and gained the ability to telepathically communicate to rats. Leatherhead later atones his crimes and becomes a reserve member of the Mutanimals, along with Slash. SonofSamhain 17:02, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

What do you think of Venus
I wonder what are the thoughts of the TMNT fans about Venus. For me, I think she is really cute. She is a cool and a real kickass fighter. And the fact that she was raised in China and learning from her brothers in New York, she was kinda funny and cute the way she gets many words or phrases wrong/mispronounced, like when Mikey calls her a "mutant hottie" she thought it was an insult and also when he called her a "babe" she thought he was calling her a baby. I also think that when she gets hit on by other guys and turns them down is a bit funny. I think she could've been in all other TMNT media if she was given a second chance.

I think it's cool that she's a female turtle. It's also funny how she'd often mix up aspects of American cultures and idioms(like when she said "easy as cake" and "piece of pie"). I just don't know Laird's problem. It's almost like he disliked her just to be a pain in the butt(don't get me wrong. Just because he has an animosity towards V-Girl doesn't mean he's a complete jerk. If it weren't for him, they would've killed of Leatherhead, and he's one of my favorite TMNT characters) SonofSamhain 17:28, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thats a bit understandable, but if they were to get rid of one or two characters they should've gotten rid some of the lame excuses for villians instead of getting rid the one hero who is a great asset to the turtles. After all, Venus is a ninja turtle and I have been reading some comments about her and a lot of the TMNT fans were saddened and upset that she was pretty much scrapped and that the show The Next Mutation was discontinued. Even though the show was cancelled fans including myself still watch it on the internet. My point is that Laird made that one mistake on scrapping her especially since many fans loved Venus and they still like her today.

Hey, what are Venus' abilities?
You know now I wonder what are Venus' special and physical abilities? I think her abilities includes peak strength, enhanced speed possibly even faster than her brothers, a skilled martial artist even able to defeat each of her brothers in a fair fight, spiritual magic or energy control, like her brothers she is an excellent gymnast, good stealth, expert on handling various weapons mostly her tessens, she is also a ninjutsu master of combat, and to some extent has the ability to sense emotions from other living creatures. For me, Venus has the power of the nature element water, peak mutant turtle strength, durability and speed, a much skilled fighter, and a deep meditator. What abilities do you know or think she has, even ones you made up?

What if...
If the creators of TMNT didn't really scrap Venus, who do you think they should've scrapped? For me I think they should've gotten rid of Krang and I think Bebop and Rocksteady because honestly they were really lame. And if I am wrong please tell me now.

You're wrong. Krang was a really neat villain and Bebop and Rocksteady were the perfect example of the stereotype that strong thugs are also very dumb. This is my opinion of course. If they needed to scrap any characters, it should've been the villains on the show Venus first appeared in. I mean, Dragonlord is just a cheap ripoff of Shredder, and if they wanted to use a mad scientist villain, they could've used Baxter Stockman instead of Dr. Quease. SonofSamhain 16:26, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

I get it, but still the villains in The Next Mutation are all already scrapped I think. In other words all characters exclusive to that show were scrapped, well to me, all except for Venus. And agree that all villains in Next Mutation are lame and obviously stupid, but if the creators were to recreate the characters and make them much better and more dangerous, then they would've been acceptable villians.

Rivals
I know that each turtle has at least one or two rivals. If Venus were to have rival of her own, who would it be and what would they be challenging each other for? I think Venus' rival should be Karai or someone who fights for honor and has pride. If I can remember I think Leo's rivals are Karai, Usagi, Ultimate Ninja and, at times, Raphael, Raph's rivals are Leonardo, at times, Casey Jones, at first, and other characters who might out match him in motorcycle racing or strength, Mikey's rivals are possibly Hun and others who think they're better heroes than him, and Don's rivals are Dr. Stockman and/or other crazy scientists and inventors. I am not entirely sure if the characters I mentioned are the turtles' rivals because the turtles often share the same rivals and always share the same enemies, but if Venus had her own rivals I think they would be battling her over combat and individual honor. What do you think?

I think any villain that used magic would be a rival for Venus. Wish I could think of any. SonofSamhain 20:32, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Rival for Venus? Peter Laird? The S 14:57, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I once made a comic where Laird became a Venus Buster(think Ghostbusters) and captured Venus. He was about to do the same to the other turtles because they were not happy about their sister being captured, but he gets caught by the Crime-Stoppers. For a while, I made him a villain and had him reform in a Halloween comic where he has Venus at his mercy, but ultimately decides to quit his feud against her. I have now retconned this and replaced Peter Laird with a pervert named Percy "Pervy" Molesterr. SonofSamhain 16:25, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Styles
I know this going to sound weird and stupid, but since Venus was a martial artist, possibly in the art of Kung Fu, which animal style best suits her and her brothers? I think her animal style should be Snake style because she is clever, flexible, graceful and can become deadly when striking. I know this is going to be obviously idiotic, but just bear with me on this. If the other turtles were to have Kung Fu styles of their own, I think Leo's style should be Crane style because he is very well balanced and he often deflects many kinds of projectiles. Raph's style would be Tiger style because he relies mostly on his strength and is shown to attack more, defend less. Mikey's style would be Mantis style because for one thing he is the quickest fighter and he has possibly the quickest and most attack patterns. And Don's style should be Monkey style because he is quite acrobatic, well all the turtles are acrobatic, and mainly due to the fact that he is the master of the bo staff which many masters and practitioners of this style wields a staff. I am just thinking if by any chance anyone was interested in the topic.

I am not really interested in things like fighting styles, but we have to work stuff out somehow. Like the previous discussions, I think it is best if the styles suit their personalities and abilities(Leo's the responsible and obedient leader, Raph's an aggressive guy who thinks violence is the best solution to any problem, Mikey's the goofy guy who acts like a child and is irresponsible, Donny's the intellectual, etc.) SonofSamhain 07:13, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Interests
What are or would be Venus' interests with and separate from her brothers? I think her main interest is meditation or spending time with friends and family. When the turtles are doing many activities together, they each have the same interests in them, such as ninja/weapons training, extreme boarding (like Leo riding on a scooter, Raph riding in rollerskates, Mikey riding on a skate board, Don riding on a bike and Venus maybe on a her own board or her own bike), competing in competitions, playing games, and using devices created by Don. Each turtle has shown a greater interest in a certain activity. Leo shows more interest in training, even though all five of them train as much he does, Raph has more interest in competitions that has something to do with fighting or racing, Mikey is more interested in video games or at least relaxing while having fun, and Don has more interest in devices whether on their designs, their functions or just to improve them. If you have any ideas for Venus' interests, whether its by herself or with her brothers, please let me know.

As far as her own interests, I always saw her as liking poetry and literature. And of course, if she is the turtles' sister, it would make sense if she liked pizza too. I might not be providing good ideas, because my brain's not fully awake yet. SonofSamhain 07:38, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you, but are you still there by any chance? If not then its okay.

What can she be in the Future
In terms of careers and/or accomplishments for each and possibly other well-known characters, what do you think Venus will become in future or what would her accomplishment be and how will it benefit her, her family and the the people around her? I think she will likely become a very successful artist, creating and designing the country's or possibly the world's next best drawings, paintings and sculptures that will be placed in her very own museum. The benefits for her is that she will become quite wealthy, but gives the money for charity and her family, she hardly spends any of it on herself, for her family she will support each of them with pictures and for those around her she give them inspiration through art. I don't exactly know what each of her brothers' accomplishments or future careers will or would be, but I know that each of them has a goal they wish to achieve. But other than that, what do you think Venus will become in the future and, if possible, along with her brothers?

I always felt that Leonardo would be a sensei like Splinter and train other people in martial arts. It's obvious that Donatello could be a respected scientist or inventor. I can't think of any future careers for Mikey or Raph. I agree with you on Venus' future career. SonofSamhain 08:21, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Special and Game
As you are aware of, the TMNT special Turtles Forever and the brawl-like fighting game TMNT Smash-up are the two things that Venus should have appeared in and here are the reasons why. Reason one, Turtles Forever features the turtles and the multi-universe of ninja turtles and in a way I was truly hoping that Venus will make an appearence in the special as one of the main characters. Reason two, the game TMNT Smash-up was supposed to feature pretty much all characters from all TMNT media and that includes Venus and the roster of the game was really disappointing because there were only about 15-16 characters and half of them make really lame fighters. My point is, don't you think Venus should've been in the special and the game?

I agree, she should've. But I knew from the start she wouldn't be in Smash Up because Laird was calling the shot, and he just doesn't like her. I'm just glad he disagreed with killing off Leatherhead. He's one of my favorite characters from TMNT, the others being Venus, Baxter Stockman, and Krang, to name but a few. She could of at least made a cameo appearance in Turtles Forever. As long as their are fans of Venus, she may be reintroduced to the franchise in the future. You even get loads of results on deviantart. I even added some to my favorites (if you want to check them on my account, my deviantart username is LuciferTheShort) SonofSamhain 20:38, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

=2011=

Weapon(s)
If Venus were to have her own signature weapon(s) what are the suggestions? I think her weapon of choice should be a pair of tessens(iron folding fans). But that is just what I think her weapons would be. Other martial art or ninja related weapons I can think of are manriki(chain mace), tonfa(elbow batons), kusarikamas(twin chained sickles), kaiken(kunoichi knife), yari(spear), ono(battle axe), sansetsukon(three-part staff), chakrams(wind or fire wheels), naginata(pole-arm), kaginawa(grappling hook), and finally my choice, tessens. But we should also make reference to Ninja Tribunal weapons each of the turtles have used. For instance, Leo uses an actual katana sword since his signature weapons look more like twin ninjato blades(which are ninja choice swords) rather than katanas, Raph uses twin chained kamas, Mikey possibly uses longer nunchaku or a sansetsukon and Don uses a top-spiked yari. So if Venus were to have her own weapon(s), what do you think her weapon(s) would be?

Whenever I made comics and featured her as a character, she usually either just relies on outwitting her enemies, shurikens, or ,more recently, her original magic powers, which I altered from the "Shinobi Magic" nonsense to actually manipulating Chi energy. One reason I am a Venus fan is because The Next Mutation was my introduction to TMNT. I've also seen both cartoons and the recent CGI film. I just haven't yet gotten around to seeing the live-action films(and I am going to skip the third one). Here's another thing I thought about. How are the Turtles humanoid? One thing is that Mondo Gecko has hair. I know he was a human before he mutated in the Archie comic, but in the 1987 series, his origin was changed so he was originally a lizard. I once discussed this with someone on deviantart when I found a pic of Venus questioning why she has breasts when she is a reptile. SonofSamhain 08:19, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Mutanimals
Now I am thinking, since we pretty much covered up the relationships, what happens if Venus becomes part of the Mighty Mutanimals? Because I think she should have a stronger connection to most of the members. In a way I think should she be close friends with Leatherhead because I think that she would have mutant friends that not even her brothers know about. She could be the first ninja turtle to join because she was the first to meet them. The point is do you think Venus would be the first to meet and join the Mutanimals and will her relationships with them be positive?

Doesn't really matter to me. There were just too many great characters in the TMNT franchise they threw away and didn't recycle in modern incarnations. Recently had some ideas for Mondo Gecko and my OC Gilliam where they played in an all-mutant rock band. Gilliam was a punk rocker who was mutated into a frog by Shredder. In an attempt to have revenge, he got infected with a super-mutagen that causes him to become a mindless behemoth known as Punk Frog when he is enraged. All in all, the Mutanimals should get along well with Venus. SonofSamhain 18:17, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Ninja Tribunal
Now about the Ninja Tribunal, I know that this tribunal was created as lost episodes, but I find the idea for Venus quite considerable and interesting. If you remembered the "Changes for Venus" topic the ninja tribunal ideas for her are there. The turtles were given many new and cool powers and abilities. If Venus were to have these same abilities as her brothers, what would they be? I think she should be training as a Sentou-Shisho: a Ninjutsu master of Combat because to me she is considered to be the best fighter among the turtles(as we all know the other Shishos are Kon-Shisho: Ninjutsu master of Spirit, Juto-Shisho: Ninjutsu master of Weapons, Chikara-Shisho: Ninjutsu master of Strength and Hisomi-Shisho: Ninjutsu master of Stealth; of course I created the Sentou-Shisho), her tribunal weapon of choice should be a dart/kunai holding tessen or a large chakram(since Leo uses an actual katana, Raph uses twin chained kamas, Mikey uses a long sansetsukon and Don uses a spiked yari), just like her brothers she will gain glowing runes or markings around her body when using her power, her dragon avatar will resemble a sea serpant with arms, sharp fins, a flowing mane, and chest and limb armor and finally her nature element would be Water(since Leo's element is Wind, Raph's element is Fire, Mikey's element is Earth and Don's element is Lightning) and to me this nature element thing makes more sense because they are the five original elements of the world and what better to give them to the five turtles. So if you are interested in the topic, what do you think?

Those are pretty good ideas. There's so many great decisions that can be done. I've always wanted to return the favor to you, so here's my question about Venus: Should she have a personal enemy? Many of the individual turtles and allies do. Donny seems to be personal intellectual rivals with Baxter Stockman, for example. SonofSamhain 18:36, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

That is a good question because as we are all aware of many characters have at least one personal enemy they seem to have grudge against for a long time. I think Venus should have a personal enemy, but it depends on who her enemy is because not all the turtles each have an enemy they wish to defeat alone. For instance, Leo is not exactly one to hold a personal grudge, but can be very vengeful against those who hurt his family and friends, so basically Leo is more of an avenger; Leo's enemy is possibly Ultimate Ninja. As for Raph, he can hold a number of grudges against those he considers bad or low-life or just those who can beat him multiple times, though these so-called grudges do not last long, so Raph is merely the "finisher" of fights; Raph's enemy is possibly Hun. For Mikey, he has never had a personal enemy of his own because he considers his opponents as "cool" or at least cool-like, since Mikey is quite childish to have a personal enemy; Mikey might not have an enemy. And Don, as far as I know, has never tried to gain an enemy or a rival because for one thing he sometimes acts as a pacifist since he does not really enjoy fighting as much as his brothers and sister does and another thing is that he mostly interested in what scientists and inventors have created which he wishes to create as well, in other words Don can have a personal scientist enemy if he wasn't so amazed by their creations and designs; Don's enemy is possibly Baxter Stockman. Back to the point of the question, if Venus were to have an enemy of her own it would have to be someone who Venus never gets along with, but we should remember that she is a peacekeeper and sometimes will use violence as last resort. Her enemy can be fanmade or official(like Dragon Lord because he is the one she despises most, even though he is a ripoff of the Shredder), but other than that I do think Venus should have personal enemy, that is if her brothers have enemies.

Dark and Cybernaut
I have been recently thinking about Venus having a dark turtle counterpart like her brothers known as Dark Venus in Fast Forward and her becoming a cybernaut in Back to the Sewers. If Dark Venus were to exist as Venus' dark counterpart she will look almost identical to Venus. Dark Venus will look normal compared to her dark brothers who look more monstrous and muscular, she is also the shortest and at times the most responsible of Dark Turtles often reminding her brothers about their mission. If Venus were to become a cybernaut she will most likely become greatly confused and a bit annoyed with cyberspace, the internet and being a cybernaut. For one thing Venus hardly knows anything about the internet and about being cybernaut and would even claim that "this like Donny's freaky digital world and we are suddenly welcomed here, but I also feel as if we'll be attacked soon". But Venus will get used to it if she puts mind into being a cybernaut, but at one she will lose confidence unless she gets help from Don. If Venus were to have these, then what do think?

Indeed there were many things that could've been neat if there was one for Venus. I am familiar with what you just said, but I've spent more time with the 1987 series, and my introduction ot TMNT was The Next Mutation, and we all know that what happens in our childhood does have a profound effect on our whole lives. SonofSamhain 16:09, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Skills
This topic will be about what Venus is best at compared to her brothers. To me Venus is, compared to her brothers, the best combatant or the most skilled fighter because as it was seen in The Next Mutation, Venus was able to defeat all her brothers easy and most of time spars against and defeats Raph. If I can remember what each of the turtles are best at, I balieve its this. Leo is possibly the best with stealth or just being the best ninja since he is devoted to become the greatest ninja yet. Raph is the best in strength and/or brute force as it is shown many times that he is the expert with force. Mikey is the best in speed and has alot of spirit as a ninja and, if it is counted for, the best video game player. Don is the best in weaponry, mostly ones he invents for himself and his siblings, but I am not going to count his expertise in science. If you know any skills Venus has, let me know.

Venus could have a skill in trusting those you wouldn't usually trust, like that time she tried to help a member of the Rank. It is an important lesson to keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. SonofSamhain 06:59, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Likes and Dislikes
I know this is going to be weird question, but what are or would be Venus' likes and dislikes. For me I think her likes are the following: she likes her family namely her brothers and her father, her friends, cooking, peace, art, literature, training with Leo, sparring with Raph, playing games with Mikey, learn from Don about technology(at times), spending some "girl time" with April, meeting new people, and most of her allies(ex. Leatherhead, Utroms, Karai etc.). As for her dislikes for me these are following: she dislikes violence, failing others, chaos and fued within her family(she hates it when her family or her brothers fight and argue with each other, mainly the fued between Leo and Raph), all of the turtles' enemies, traveling through cyberspace or the internet since Venus does not know much about tech., anyone in her family getting hurt or in trouble, and pretty much anything that is evil like the Shredder. These are what I think her likes and dislikes are. If you have more to add, then please do.

I think you have covered everything. SonofSamhain 18:17, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Master of...
This topic is similar to the "Skills" topic, but instead of being best at common traits, what is Venus a master of in the 18 skills of ninjutsu? The skills are:
 * 1) seishinteki kyoyo(spiritual refinement)
 * 2) taijutsu(unarmed combat)
 * 3) kenjutsu(sword techniques)
 * 4) bojutsu(stick and staff techniques)
 * 5) sojutsu(spear techniques)
 * 6) naginatajutsu(naginata techniques)
 * 7) kusarigamajutsu(kusarigama techniques)
 * 8) shurikenjutsu(throwing weapons techniques)
 * 9) kayakujutsu(pyrotechnics)
 * 10) hensojutsu(disguise and impersonation)
 * 11) shinobi-iri(stealth and entering methods)
 * 12) bajutsu(horsemanship)
 * 13) sui-ren(water training)
 * 14) boryaku(tactics)
 * 15) choho(espionage)
 * 16) intonjutsu(escaping and concealment)
 * 17) tenmon(meteorology)
 * 18) chi-mon(geography)

I know it is a long list, but this all I can find. So if Venus becomes a master of some of these desciplines what do you think she would be a master of? I think she would definitely be a master of taijutsu, shurikenjutsu, hensojutsu, sui-ren, boryaku, shinobi-iri, intonjutsu, and seishinteki kyoyo. For the other turtles, I am still not entirely sure which desciplines they are masters of, but I can guess. Leo is a master of kenjutsu, seishinteki kyoyo, shurikenjutsu, hensojutsu, shinobi-iri, bajutsu, boryaku, choho and intonjutsu. Raph is a master of taijutsu, kusarigamajutsu, shurikenjutsu, choho, chi-mon, shinobi-iri, hensojutsu, and boryaku. Mikey is a master of kasarigamajutsu, shurikenjutsu, hensojutsu, shinobi-iri, choho, and intonjutsu. And Don is a master of bojutsu, sojutsu, shurikenjutsu, kayakujutsu, hensojutsu, shinobi-iri, boryaku, choho and tenmon. This is just what I think they are the masters of, especially Venus. What do you think? Feel free to respond.

Types and Titles
This topic is about type of ninja turtle Venus is or what is her title as a ninja turtle. If she were to have title to me she will known as the "Heart of the TMNT" and her type would be the "Sweet type", the "Combat type" or the "Love type". If I can remember the titles and types her brothers have I believe its this. Leo's title is the "Leader of the TMNT" and his type is the "Responsible type", the "Peace type" or the "Stealth type". Raph's title is the "Dark TMNT" and his type is the "Loner type", the "Protective type" or the "Strength type". Mikey's title is the "Party Dude of the TMNT" and his type is the "Humor type", the "Speed type" or the "Spirit type". And Don's title is the "Brains of the TMNT" and his type is the "Intellectual type", the "Creative type" or the "Weapons type". This is what I think, what do think?

Makes sense to me. SonofSamhain 17:22, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Venus' Venerations
Since Laird censored/wiped this from the official site, are there copies anywhere else? I think it would be ideal if we could copy the text to an article on this wikia. Ty 18:02, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure, but I found it at a site called The Venus Project. Maybe it can be added in Venus' article as reference, unless its already there. But other than that I think they should add Venus' Venerations on this site.

Main Turtles
Now, I have heard so many comments about Venus De Milo and I have to say something about that.

There is only four main turtles, there's no fifth turtle in the team. This means that there can be more turtles outside the team but there can never be more turtles in the team. Venus should've been treated as a recurring character or better yet a minor character that goes antihero (you know, babe made for vengence.) I don't know why people haven't ever think of that. Party Time 23:05, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

We all get what you are saying, but these were suggestions of what Venus would have or should become. And Venus, to half the fans, is the fifth turtle though she is not necessarily a main turtle as of yet. Many fans of TMNT just want her to come back in a better form. So what I am saying is that we already know that there are only four main turtles, we just create ideas, suggestions, and opinions for the fifth turtle Venus de Milo.