Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25614818-20150410170303/@comment-995426-20150423110231

Well, I do admit that many of your conclusions do sound like they're out of left field. The logic you propose is very unfamiliar at times, such that I have to step back for a moment and reread it to be clear you're actually saying what you're saying, because many of the things you're saying are indeed things I never would have perceived or concluded.

Anyway, I must clarify a few things. I didn't say I didn't like Mikey and Sara, or even Mikey or Seri. I found them all readable at the time. I just intuited them failing pretty much the way they did fail. Eventually, Sara moved on with Dragon and gossiped about it to Mikey as if he were just some pen pal she happened to get to third base with. And by "out of his league", what I meant is how Seri was the regenta of another planet surrounded by extremely protective and violent bodyguards who ended up kidnapping him and throwing him into a squalid oubliette to starve, and she at least tacitly approved of that happening to him. It wasn't that she was "upper class" or "wealthy"&mdash;it was that she was genuinely dangerous to be involved with. There's femme fatales, and then there's vamps. And I didn't say that it was necessarily good that casual sex is often a "norm"&mdash;I'm just saying that for many people it is the norm, for many men and women alike, and is more likely to be the norm in grittier works of fiction. Kevin Eastman in particular preferred TMNT to remain as gritty as possible. Mirage and Image TMNT were never exactly known for their after-school special morality. They were full of complicated grey characters.

Also, I think you may possibly be misconstruing the purpose of these discussion forums. This is not the place to decide once and for all what something objectively is. Mainly, we're people sharing our thoughts, our impressions, our opinions, and sometimes we like to dish and gossip. As for the content of the wiki articles themselves, they cannot run on speculation anyway, making debates like these completely irrelevant to the wiki editing. For example, this is why Mikey and Leatherhead are not currently listed in Category:LGBT Characters. I can be 100% sure of it and know other people who are similarly 100% sure of it, but that certainty is not enough unless a story or creator specifically confirms it, for the simple reason that this wiki adheres to a standard of hard facts from reliable verifiable sources. That's why that category is currently as sparse as it is. We can start forum threads discussing article-editing business, but I've learnt from experience that most people on this wiki don't talk about such things unless another editor's edit is specifically problematic, and even that's usually handled on users' message walls instead.