Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1255374-20151111163045/@comment-26062541-20160308024913

Gilgameshkun wrote: One episode just isn't long enough. I expect better of good TMNT. Good TMNT allow interpersonal relationships to seem fake for the sake of expediency. It shows its work better.

And I understand that some people love the 1987 TV series. I know that many of the writers are actually younger than me, and were raised on it. But there were always people who have no affection for it. It was always a farce.

And when I say adult fans, I mean people who like TMNT first and foremost for the being an adult work. People who like it today because they liked the 1987 series when they were little (and not for much other reason), don't count as adult viewers&mdash;they count as childhood nostalgia viewers. And they have very little in common with adult viewers. It's like comparing people who like Batman for being the mature and edgy Dark Knight of the comic books or later cartoons since the 1990s, and people who like Batman because they like the campy 1960s TV show. It's two very different preferences of style. The difference being, Batman at least put away its childish, campy image and embraced its mature side as its main face, whereas TMNT's attempts to do the same keep getting derailed. I say its long enough, the start of the relationship is TEN times more interesting than the waiting before hand.

Yes there are people who never liked it, but none of them write for this series. And one of the most irksome things about being a fan of the 1987 series, is being told one of their childhood favorites is dumb because it supposedly RUINED the franchise when ultimately it continued to promote it! I wouldn't know the Mirage comics existed without this series existing, you can pretend it ruined its reputation all you want, but ultimately it helped it. And before you say it, YES the Palladium books were screwed over, I blame that not on the 87 show but more on the advertisers for not making it clear that it was a series for both kids AND adults.

And okay- WOW! Gil, I love you, I want to respect you, but your honestly being a MITE disrespectful here. You are implying people who grew up with the 87 series AREN'T as adult as those who grew up with the Mirage comics. Just because your source material is darker than there's, does NOT make you more adult. ALSO-a lot of people LIKE the campy Batman stories, Shell Batman:The Brave and the Bold was a straight up tribute to that, and one of the best Batman shows of all TIME! And honestly I wish it COULD be as silly as it was in the sixties, but now its all sad and grimdark. Thank goodness for those '66 Batman comics who want a Batman story to have fun.

And I REALLY think the show being silly is derailing at all because its source material is a parody comic and was always based in sillyness(violent sillyness but still).