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Asfaloth12 wrote: Easol1,

Ah, yes. "Mirage style". Does that mean sexist, substandard storytelling riddled with embarrassingly, insultingly obvious plot holes...no, plot craters? No thank you. They can take their "Mirage style" and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I prefer good, quality storytelling that makes sense, doesn't insult the viewers, and doesn't treat women as objects to be disposed of.

I'm still sorry about your friend,  and it truly saddens me to have potentially lost a fellow member of the fandom for this (overall) awesome show  :(  It makes one wonder how many others may leave the fandom because of this;  hopefully they don't completely swear of all incarnations of the TMNT for good.  Frankly, it is starting to really tick me off.  How many people may have used this show as an escape, and then have it hurt them instead?   Indeed, it may not be a bad idea for her to take a break from 2012 TMNT,  until she feels that she is at a point where she can assess the situation for herself, ignore the whining from the edgelords ( you have to be in a good, stable place mentally in order to do that), and decide for herself whether this makes any sense at all in the canon timeline.  We know it doesn't make sense at all in canon and are able to roll our eyes at the edgelords, but depression/anxiety are terrible conditions that don't always allow for clear thinking (sadly, I am speaking from past personal experience here). It would be a shame for her to lose something she enjoyed just because some dude had a temper tantrum (that wasn't very nice of me, I know, but I find it difficult to care). And then she could just avoid re-watching the polished turd if she ever gives the series a try again (hope she does!). Owari/Kavaxas arc makes a nice ending point, or even the Crossover/Lone Rat (since they're on the same DVD).

Once again, I personally refuse to let some dude ruin something I enjoy, just because he wanted to throw a hissy fit.

Glad to hear she is willing to give the 2003 series a try! Personally, it is one of my favorite incarnations ( competing with the 2012 series and the 1990 movie), at least the first 3 seasons (had issues with Karai's arc in the later seasons, as well as the resolution of Leo's PTSD arc). Love Mike Sinterniklaas as Leonardo (he might be very favorite Leo, actually). In fact,   I was in the middle of re-watching...until the polished turd aired. Hope she enjoys it :) Sorry that this might be a little abrupt, but Wiki ate my first, longer reply. Mirage-style to these fans seems to mean a required sad ending that hasn't earned itself (edgelord stuff, y'know) and no requirement to have important events actually explained, just have them sorta pop out of nowhere. I'm not a Mirage fan (like I said, I tried it and didn't like it, partly because it presses my anxiety buttons), but that really is quite undeservingly insulting to Mirage. Especially using them as an elitist way to excuse writing flaws. Talk about nerve!

Temper tantrum seems appropriate. He did all this for selfish, petty reasons by his own admission, not caring about the fans, and deserves criticism for it.

My friend is doing a little better, but I suspect she'll need to get her head together before she can consider watching the show again. She's one of those people who feels too much and too deeply, so getting emotionally attached to anything is a huge risk for her. She actually experienced psychological trauma from this sort of thing in the past, so it may take a long time to put herself back together.

We're watching our way through Season 1 of '03, and while it took her a little while to get used to this incarnation of the Turtles (she's mostly used to '87 and '12) she's really liking them. I agree that Sinterniklaas makes a great Leonardo, and I like Sam Regal as Donatello too. Really good performances, very good stories.

Out of curiosity, have you seen the official press release from Nick on the final DVD?

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-Tales-V3-Final-Chapters/23776

Not even ambiguous. "Another dimension" and "special."