Talk:Oroku Saki (2003 TV series)/@comment-30846905-20170223002524/@comment-31344525-20170402014100

I would say they're both pretty evil. I mean think about it, The Tengu Shredder took over New York, turned it into a nightmare demonic version and almost took over Earth.

The Utrom Shredder is pretty evil because he almost killed The Turtles and Splinter countless times, returned after being "defeated" and he almost succedd in destroying a multiverse of Turtles.