Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1255374-20151111163045/@comment-26066301-20151129175234

TMNTInsider wrote: DPfanboy wrote: TMNTInsider wrote: Theory or rule, whichever version of something like time travel they pick is the one that they have to stick with. In "Tale of the Yokai", they chose the same time travel rules that "Gargoyles" did in their series when they did "Tale of the Yokai"--rules that couldn't allow history to be cheated or rewritten--and I'm glad they did because that's the more sophisticated way of doing this and it's the one that's the least cheating. You can't just change/break or re-write the rules laid forth with regards to something like this. If they were to try anyways, that's both cheating and a big mistake! .....

BTW, you're glad that they stuck with the rules that prevents the Turtles from having a happy ending? Is that really what you're saying?!

..... That's irrelevant! Are you going to give "Annihilation Earth" a 0 out of 10 just because it didn't end happily? Would you give classic movies such as "The Usual Suspects" a 0 out of 10 (or even just 5 out of 10) because the bad guy wins at the end? I'd certainly hope not because not only would you be undeserving to watch good stuff like that but it would also be immature on your part!

Besides, to the second half of your argument, what I said is that you can't change the rules you've already established (in this case the rules regarding time travel), which had been laid down in TotY. You can't, that's not fair! What it is is cheating! Do we give credit to cheaters? Do we let them off the hook in sports, writing, etc.? No!

Between "Annihilation Earth" and "Beyond the Known Universe" none of us really knew how they were going to fix this situation--even though we knew it'd have to work out b/c things just can't end this way on a show like this and with the demographics it's aimed at. They may push the bar in terms of what they can get away with, they may be allowed to leave us in a state of shock for a while, but that's as far as BS&P would allow for a program like this. When they reintroduced the time travel component in BtKU, we should expect it to follow the same rules that had already been established. If they don't, it's cheating! Just like the time between AE and BtKU, I don't know how they're going to keep "The Rapture" (as I refer to it) from happening but just like the wait between those two episodes, I'm looking forward to seeing how they're going to resolve it. *My own personal vision would be that we'd wind up back to the scene of the crime and the turtles, without being seen by their past selves, try to stop Shredder from kiling Splinter. Tiger Claw meanwhile, noticing what's happening, tries to get between them to sort out what's going on and ends up being the one who gets stabbed instead. He'd eventually recover, join the Mutanimals, and become the Old Hob of the series. It's kinda messy I know and I'd need some help from the showrunners to connect all the other ends cohesively (which is why I won't start advocating for my vision...yet) but really, this is the most fair scenario I've seen so far.* First of all, I never said I hate "Annihilation Earth!" I personally think it was a good episode because of how dark it was, how it expanded on Shredder's character, and how it left us all hanging at the end.

Just because the history of a universe has one stable time loop doesn't mean alteration of past, present and future is impossible in said universe! I've seen a couple works of fiction where the characters change history when a stable time loop happened at some other time!

Plus, your scenario of what you think is gonna happen in the mid season finale just makes you a hypocrite! You said countless times that alteration of the past and/or future is impossible in this universe, and here you have your own personal version in which history is altered!

Sorry, if I'm coming off as an obsessive jerk, but it's just that I refuse to believe the Turtles are doomed to failure.