Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-72.135.192.161-20130427185556/@comment-11016223-20130618165016

Ugh, okay. First of all, I want to start off this rant by saying that some of you are so rude. Why are you some of you arguing? Most of you can't even act civil. Instead of hateful comments and rude comebacks, how about politely share your opinions and not act arrogant? It's okay to express frustrations as I am about to do so, but there is still a nice way to do it without hurting others feelings.

I am a Leorai shipper, always will be because I happen to find the couple odd. I'm not under any illusion that Karai would ever fall for Leo in that way, I understand that it's a most definite long shot but while Nickelodeon is a kid friendly network, have you all noticed how dark this show really is? I'm not insinuating that Leonardo and Karai are going to get it on or anything (pfft, my dreams) but the way (SPOILER FOR THE LAST EP) Timothy was mutated into Mutagen Man? Screaming how badly it burned and being transformed into a pile of organs? The giant sexual innuendo in Karai's Vendetta with Nessie and the Sub? "We're not that kind of sub!" Is it that far-fetched to believe that Karai won't even kiss Leo? Even if it were just a peck? I think it's safe to say that Karai has had a fair amount of weird in her life as it is. I don't think that Shredder would let any boy near his daughter (Miwa or not) so it'd be hard for Karai to have had any type of relationship with anyone. So to think of the chemistry only being a factor in Leo's eyes is hard to believe. Nickelodeon would not doubt tone down what ever relationship the two would have. It wouldn't be like the relationships on CW for example or the relationships you read on fanfiction (ahem).

Now let's address the elephant in the room. If Karai is Miwa. Now, we all know that Splinter and our lovely turtles are not biologically related. The boys respect him as a sensei and because Splinter raised them, they consider him their father figure and they are Splinter's surrogate sons. But biologically, they have no ties. In fact (for you T-Cest fans) the turtles are not brothers, but by bond, they are family. So, if we're going to speak logically and be fair, you cannot hate T-Cest fans either as they have a reasoning for their ship. This is how I justify Leorai as this means Karai and Leonardo are not in anyway related.

Back to Nickelodeon. If they were so worried about a turtle and human not being together, why all the hype over Apritello? Why would they put in (basically) every episode a moment that shows how much Donnie cares for April? Whether she returns the feelings or not, there are plenty of scenes that show him being her fave turtle. (TCRI. She ran straight for Donnie and hugged him) She was by far most concerned for Donnie, despite considering the other turtles like her brothers. So to the people that don't believe Leorai have any chance or think people are disgusting for hoping so, you need to kindly take a step back and realize that Nickelodeon is more than happy having a relationship between a human and turtle, however insignificant or how tragicly it will end.

Now for the 'fun' part. Questioning others opinions.

"Karai sees Leo as a friend i don't know how many times I have to repeat it you sick desperate mindless human beings!" (Here is an example of a very rude person) You could have said that without being cruel. And I think you should not get so worked up over other people's feelings. Yelling in CAPS LOCK, behind a computer, will not change someone elses mind. If you don't like how others think, simply ignore it and don't insult others because you make yourself look bad.

"Please...first off it's Nick if you people know this station Karai a goddamn human being won't have a crush on a freaking turtle "Leo".  you fan losers can ship allllllllllllllllllllllllll you want however you like in your fan made crap and imaginations but in reality, the real reality you won't see it happening ever." (This is the same person. In the same post.) I do recall Nick having shows like Instant Star and What I Like About You which were a little more PG 13+ and I think the smart thing about TMNT 2012 is, is that the show is definitely enjoyable for kids but they've added some adult aspects to it (see above) for teenagers and older people to enjoy as well. To think they would never have a simple quick peck is quite ridiculous. Or even a kiss on the cheek. Yes, us 'fan losers' will ship all we want because we can and we don't need permisson from you to do so. Reality? Um. It's a TV Show. Animated, may I add.

"You guys are wasting your time. It's better off that you guys just stick to your fan writing because season 1 is over and everyone knows karai is miwa so biologically related or not, karai is not psycotic enough to like a turtle." Karai is not psychotic enough? (Did you forget who her father is...) That's most likely true though. For her to have a relationship with a turtle is definitely hard to believe, but let us believe it? Whether you think it's impossible or not is your opinion and while you are most definitely allowed to have it and express it, calling us "desperate desperate desperate desperate sad sad sad sad idiots" is not going to win you any points. Sorry if I sounded mean.

"Woah...  You guys need to calm down...  It is a tv show. You are allowed to have different opinions. This is the reality of the situation: Leo and Karai are probably not going to end up together. This is a kids show, they are different species, and they are still fueding. Still, if you want to have them live happily ever after, fine. Whatever floats your boat. I personally think it would be cute if April and Donnie ended up together. It is probably not going to happen but I can still think it would be adorable. I This is a place to voice your opinion, not a place to insult people." I commend you for that.

"Dont offence for those who like him but,for me this is the worst version of Leonardo,that i ever seen.He is so naive, ridiculous and blind,she tried to hurt his very first friend April,really Leo where you have your eyes." Leonardo is naive and blind. He's a teenager. This version of Leo is trying to show a 15 year old boy, dreaming of being the hero and having to deal with the craziness of leadership. While also having a crush on his enemies daughter. So, of course he is naive. That much was proven when Karai betrayed him in Alien Agenda. But that's the part of growing up. Making mistakes, recognizing them and working towards changing them. But it doesn't happen in the blink of an eye. He trusted Karai in Enemy of My Enemy which did not make him naive, he left her on the rooftop in order to discuss with his brothers and his sensei about it first. He's going to change, it's going to take awhile but he's only just learning what it is to be a leader. Also, with April. Do you remember when April was telling the story of her great escape to the boys and Leo was off to the side? (While my shipper heart screams that he was upset about Karai and didn't want to hear how she was bested because it's unlike her) I do believe that he felt guilty. Leo was most likely thinking 'Oh my god, if I hadn't of betrayed Karai, she wouldn't have gone after April'. Leo will probably try and make it up to her by protecting her like an older brother would.

"The one true evil wrote:

Which pairings are as you define them "sick"?

Wiki Contributer

Turtlecest,the gay pairings for exemple:Raphael X Casey Jones." Let's set this record straight quickly. There is nothing wrong with being gay. Don't use that as a reason not to ship people.

"121.212.4.203 wrote:

I'm an idiot. The turtles are NOT biologically related to Splinter in any way. Face palm.

WC:

You are right,you are  totally a idiot for thinking that they are biologically related to Splinter,even a child KNOW that they are not related.

WC:

Let me guess, you are the typical kind of jerk who likes to twist people's words like a tabloid journalist.

WC:

You must be the arithmetic man;you add trouble,subtract pleasure,divide attention,and multiply ignorance.So shut up kid." Okay, face palm, this is awkward. 121.212.4.203. is me. I wrote a long rant (not as long as this one lol) and accidently said "the turtles are biologically related to Splinter" and forgot to put not. (I'm going to drown in embarrassment now) But to the person who I believe is the source of most of the hate going around, I do think you need to take a step back. You have been rude to countless people for not having the same opinion as you. Maybe you should think about apologizing and expressing your opinions in a nice calm way without hurting others. To all the people that stood up for me over this person and my mistake, thank you so much! I should actually proof read once in awhile xD.

Now that it's over with, I can add more. (I KNOW, YAWN).

I am now going to answer the title of the thread. "Still in love?" They were never in love. Not even Leonardo was in love, it was a crush. That was how it's always been. He's infatuated with her and here's why. Karai is the second girl (next to April) who has not run away, screaming in the other direction because of his appearance. From the moment he saw her on the billboard and when she started talking to him, I reckon he felt quite confused that a girl, a very attractive girl may I add, was showing him attention and not running in fear. She is, in all honesty, perfect for Leonardo. As Leonardo described her... she is pretty damn cool (Did you see how she jumped that car with her motorcycle?) A martial artist. (hellooooo....) But she is, in fact, in the Foot. But it's got that 'forbidden' vibe to it which is what fangirls usually latch onto. I latched onto it because of that. Seriously, the second we found out she was Shredder's daughter, I sat up and I said, "here we go." Because I have a lot of tv shows that I watch all the time and love triangles never fail to get me worked up and dying for more! So to see that Nickelodeon was actually going to have fun with these two made me so happy! Leo deserves it really. He's so adorkable and to see his crush on Karai grow was cute. But it can't stay cute and adorable for long because she is part of the Foot. I don't think people can neccesarily say Karai is horrible and no good for Leo. Even though she used him in Alien Agenda, she warned him herself not to trust her. L: Raphael says I can't trust you. | K: He's got a point. You can't trust me. | Leonardo should take full responsibility for what happened in the end. She told him herself she couldn't be trusted. (RIP my shipper heart). And honestly, when Enemy of my Enemy came on, I was going mental. Karai jumped onto a Kraang spaceship to save the turtles, Leonardo jumped the stealth bike in the air and caught her (she was in his lap the whole way back to the lair omg) and she was genuinely hurt that he betrayed her. Because they were friends. No, I'm not delusional. I realize they did not have a relationship but they were friends. A relationship doesn't happen in a blink of an eye and in all honesty, I hate relationships like that. A relationship should have a build up. Friends, denial, mutual attraction (although that could be an issue) more and more denial x1,000. Before that first kiss, then more denial on her part. You know? That's exciting and it keeps people watching. So to the Leorai shippers, do not lose hope but also don't be that hopeful because more than likely, your shipper heart will get hurt. But TV networks realize that the build up is what keeps people watching. (Also may I add that the cast and crew behind TMNT 2012 like to swear at their panels? yeah, so innocent and wouldn't at all entertain a harmless turtle/human relationship/friendship/whatevertheyare).

I think I'm done. No doubt the people I signalled out are going to get in a tizzy over my rant so I'll sit here. With my popcorn and watch the drama unfold because no matter what I said, people will still be overly opinionated and don't care what insults they throw as long as they get their way.

And you can't help who you fall in love with. Whether they are older, younger, of opposite gender/race. You cannot help it. (And my theory is that the mutagen has human DNA in it, eg. April's) So the turtles are somewhat human. They think like one, act like one and they even carry themselves like one. Their appearance is just different.

FrostXxBitex (Also I have done Leorai vids on youtube. Deal with it *puts on sunglasses*).