Talk:Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles/@comment-16581186-20170304063959/@comment-995426-20170304153244

That's the thing. Comedy elements are one thing, but you can still have them in a work that can be taken seriously. It depends on the nature and saturation of the comedy, since comedic moments also happen in real life and people can still take real life seriously. My beef with TMNT-as-a-comedy-first is that, whenever TMNT is played primarily for laughs, it tends to be really really bad to me, and that includes the 1987 TV series which I not only have no real fondness for, but which I regard as the anti-TMNT when measured against the comics that for me have been the TMNT. I have other TMNT comics fan friends who are appalled by this new TV series' announcement, because they thought the 2012 TV series was already far too bubble gum as it is (though it had a fairly complex and promising first two seasons), and it seems utterly perverse for Nickelodeon to treat the 2012 TV series as if it was something too grimdark that should be even lighter and softer and funnier than it is&mdash;if I wanted a show like that, I'd just watch something like SpongeBob.

In my opinion, really good TMNT tends not to be for kids at all, and whatever it has tends to appeal better to the matured minds of adults and maybe those of older teenagers than it does to young children. Good TMNT also includes both fast-paced action and slow-moving slice-of-life (as well as both serious and not-so-serious moments), because combining them helps build deeper, more complex characters and more interesting stories. And it doesn't sacrifice its artistic commitments, and it doesn't take production priority cues from Fred Wolf, Playmates or Michael Bay.